>>The Keralaites Association, a government agency looking after the welfare of migrants

Don't you mean non-government agency?

>>The Indian government has asked Riyadh to pardon the Indian worker

Wonder why the Indian govt. is helping in this particular case?

M. Nam

More justice Saudi style.

Blood Money

In Saudi Arabia, when a person has been killed or caused to die by another, the prescribed blood money rates are as follows:

* 100,000 riyals if the victim is a Muslim man
* 50,000 riyals if a Muslim woman
* 50,000 riyals if a Christian man
* 25,000 riyals if a Christian woman
* 6,666 riyals if a Hindu man
* 3,333 riyals if a Hindu woman.

Vinod, the fact you took this from LGF is irrelevant and I hope we don't have a repeat of the other thread, but bold of you to mention your source again!

"An eye for an eye will only make the whole world blind"

- M. K. Gandhi.

Vinod - any details of the "victim's" nationality known?

I wouldn't hold out much hope for sympathy from the Saudi Government. Here's a story that was in the news recently:

Saudi Arabia: 14-Year-Old Boy Faces Execution
King Abdullah Should Commute Death Sentence, Ensure Courts Protect Rights

(Cairo, October 27, 2005) A 14-year-old Egyptian boy faces execution in Saudi Arabia after a flawed trial in which he was convicted for the murder of another child, Human Rights Watch said today. Saudi King Abdullah should uphold the country’s obligations to protect children and due process by commuting the death sentence.
Neither the Saudi nor Egyptian government has responded to letters on the case that Human Rights Watch sent several weeks ago and made public today before the Eid holiday.

Following a seriously flawed trial, Ahmad al-D. was sentenced to death in July for the murder of three-year old Wala’ `Adil `Abd al-Badi` in Dammam in April 2004. The families of both children are Egyptian nationals living in Saudi Arabia. Wala’s parents have refused to accept blood money (diya) from Ahmad’s family, and Ahmad remains on death row in a juvenile detention facility in Dammam.

Another story w/ more details on the nationality of the "victim". Predictably, he was a Saudi National -

An immigrant worker from Kerala will have his eye gouged out as punishment for having damaged the eye of a Saudi national two and a half years ago if a medieval law in that country is implemented.

I care for universal adoption of a principle of justice that does not involve tit for tat. No matter what the severity of the crime nobody should have his or her life taken away nor be physically harmed. Imprisonment takes away the essence of life of anyone who has to undergo that punishment.

every passing day we know or don't know the innumerable crimes that happen..

The Saudi Government wont dare gouge out the eyes of an American.
Its a pity that India is such a lightweight country that people can fuck with Indians with impunity and get away with it.

Moornam: Is there anything in this world in which you dont see an angle of 'appeasement' of Indian Muslims versus 'persecution' of Indian Hindus.
Post after post, you continue to look for angles which are not there and controversies which are started by you.
In your 'bipolar' RSS world every controversy is reduced to Indian Hindus versus Indian Muslims.

Its a pity that India is such a lightweight country that people can fuck with Indians with impunity and get away with it.

Yes, that's the reason Saudis don't treat Americans like shit. Nothing to do with the fact they love Americans and worship white people is it?

It's common racism. You're right, Saudis won't dare mess with an American, but not because they're afraid of America. It's because they DEPEND on America. And they have a woeful insecurity complex which tells them West is Best. Anything east of Saudi is inferior. What do you expect India to do, declare war? Australia couldn't stop one of its own being executed in Singapore recently, what is India supposed to do about a guy losing an eye? At the end of the day, he's chosen to live in a country with a particular legal system, India has nothing to do with it.

At the end of the day, he's chosen to live in a country with a particular legal system, India has nothing to do with it.

For the son of an immigrant, its nice to see your sympathetic attitude towards other immigrants.
Walk a day in the shoes of a poor Indian before you judge them for living in Saudi Arabia.
If India did not have 350 million starving children, there would be no need for Indians to pump gas in Saudi Arabia for some fat inbred Saudi Sheikh.

If india was to follow it a deer's horn would have been shoved up salmans ass.
The fat cop in merath would be bitch slapped a few times in public.
quarter of indian politicians would have been sentenced to death.
If US were to apply this saudi arabia,yemen and pakistan would be facing american troops not iraq.

For the son of an immigrant, its nice to see your sympathetic attitude towards other immigrants.

Actually, I am an immigrant myself. Which is why I feel this way (explained below). No lack of sympathy was intended, I simply meant to illustrate the fact that there's nothing India can really do about this other than request a pardon. The legal system in Saudi Arabia is barbaric to us, living in normal countries. But India can't argue that the man went there without knowing what he would face. Saudi is a shithole, but it's common knowledge. Sure your point is very valid that if India didn't have such abject poverty less people would leave.

But what I meant by feeling this way as an immigrant is that it angers me when more recalcitrant elements of the Asian community in Britain start criticising fundamental tenets of British culture. It's a minority, but they're vocal. Things we all hear about - protesting Christian festivals or advocating making the UK a Muslim state or whatever. It annoys me because they KNEW that happens when they came here. So, sadly, the same principal applies for Saudi. Don't for a moment think I agree with this idiocy and I feel terrible for the poor guy, but India's role in this is irrelevant. You seemed to be blaming India because it's lightweight.

I think that the president—and many of his advisers—find it easy to embrace democracy but not the means to get there.

Oh, yes. So easy that he won an election by destroying the very defining concept of democracy itself, so easy his party is now famous for the democratic practice of gerrymandering, so easy his administration is famous (among former Nixon appointees) for his anti-democratic secrecy, his hostility to the press which includes paying friends to pose as journalists, so easy he is now known to have spearheaded a massive effort to spy on the American people in a total insult to our defining freedoms, of which some of us used to be somewhat proud. Look, this sentence had a lot wrong with it when Fareed wrote it, and it's positively embarassing now. Does he know some reason we don't why it should be accepted, let alone a matter of pride, that someone gives unusually inferior lip service to principles he clearly despises, let alone does not believe in? Maybe Fareed could point out some reason he imagines that leftist hatred of a man who led an illegal war of aggression and conquest, who did nothing to prevent or deal with IX/XI (other than the revenge-killing of more Afghani than the 3000 we lost), who wants to torture and secretly imprison and spy and do everything that a real American must loathe, and who humiliated his nation in the face of Katrina (which even now a congressman from Virginia assiduously assures the nation has moved past) is irrational?
Is Fareed supposed to benefit from some great credit by admitting that many things Bush does are counter-productive? Why on earth should we trust Fareed when he can admit this and then turn around and say, "but here's why we should give this admittedly less than perfect man an eleventh try"? Four years in the marines (to include a side-adventure in Iraq that did nothing to protect or uphold our consitituion, or any democratic tendencies whatsoever of Iraq) make it hard for us to despise our government, but seconds of Bush yammering about how Iraq would magically blossom into the kind of state we would never let it become (any more than we would with Mossadegh's democratic Iran) by bombing, torturing and brutal occupation should be enough for any rational person to get a little less than loving.

But India can't argue that the man went there without knowing what he would face. Saudi is a shithole, but it's common knowledge.

I agree. He could've just as easily (if not easier) immigrated to Kuwait, UAE or Bahrain. I've lived in Kuwait before and trust me, it's a far easier middle eastern country to live in than Saudi Arabia.

What really irks me that Naushad would have been dead meat regardless. Can we imagine the wrath he would have faced at the hands of his employer if he would have let the customer get away? It's like being between a rock and a hard place; you either let the customer get away and face the employer's music (no easy feat, of course) or either defend yourself and commit a crime in self defence and await execution.

And yes, I agree with Bong Breaker and A more original name...the way these cultures work is very barbaric and shocking. But all these foreign workers who go there are aware of this.

The worrying things here are the desperation and the poverty that makes people from India, Pakistan, the Phillipines etc go to the middle east and put their lives in danger. Clemency would make the most sense because this was a foreign worker who was doing his job and trying to save his life. However, he broke the law in the foreign country, regardless of how idiotic and barbaric it is. What do you do when you are stuck in a situation like this??!

"At the end of the day, he's chosen to live in a country with a particular legal system, India has nothing to do with it."

nice!! as long as indians do go there and work there, indian govt. should care about such individual cases. it is not an accident that americans do get away with a lot of stuff there - the legal system there only matters so much, if the person belongs to a country that has clout, that person has still a chance. This is precisely the reason indian govt should deal with issues like this. this is the way the countries say certain practices are unacceptable. India cannot change the legal system in many countries, but it can try to protect its citizens.

Speaking of India's clout, here's another country with a fair amount of clout:

Last year, China gave Angola, its second-largest oil supplier after Saudi Arabia, a $2 billion oil-backed loan to help repair its war-ravaged national infrastructure.

Such loans come with none of the lectures on human rights, good governance, religious freedom and fiscal reform that accompany U.S. assistance.

In fact, China has courted oil-rich nations such as Sudan, Venezuela and Iran that are on the outs with Washington, even dangling the possibility of using its United Nations Security Council veto to protect them against sanctions.

China last year repeatedly blocked U.N. attempts to punish Sudan for failing to stop atrocities in its Darfur region. China owns a 40 percent stake in the major oil consortium drilling in Sudan, and it buys half of Sudan's crude exports.

Eyeing Nigeria's oil fields, China has offered Lagos some $7 billion in investments and said it may sell the country fighter jets, too.

Iran, which won pledges from China last year for $70 billion worth of oil and natural gas deals, also enjoys vital support from Beijing. Iran now appears confident that it can resist pressure from the European Union and the United States over its nuclear program, certain that China will veto any attempt to impose U.N. sanctions. [Link]

Sorry to threadjack; I just felt this was something important.

Millions of poor, illiterate and ignorant Indian laborers who work in the Middle Eastern countries have no one to stand up for them. Little does India realize that it is their hard earned money that is stabilizing the economy of this corrupt nation. They get no respect from their employers who treat them like slaves, get kicked on their arses by the customs officer at the Indian airports who steal their cash, and neglected by their own Government who are spineless.

Our man Noushad has something else that is going against him, he is from South India or for the politicians in Delhi... a madrasi.. not worth a dime to them.

angrymf, do you honestly believe that the north still harbours such disdain towards south indians.... such prejudice may exist in certain pockets but by and large things seem to have improved. i believe that the govt would be complacent with any indian without deep pockets... its democratic that way

Update on Syriana-related news, via Boing Boing.

secularism is at work at IISC campus in bangalore. chief minister says it's just an 'unfortunate' incident becuase the victims are not secular people.

The middle east is has long been a favored destination for a lot of Indians, especially from the south. I remember a Malayalam movie 'Nadodikattu' where the protagonists are down on their luck educated chaps who can't get a decent job in kerala and they decide to illegally enter 'Dubai' to make their fortunes. The movie addressed what was a mass exodus of Keralites to the gulf because of the situation in India. And it is true that some of them made their fortunes in the Gulf, but at what cost? I lived in Qatar until i was 17 and my dad was one of the lucky ones to be recruited by the state owned oil company from Bharat Petroleum when they were clueless on what to do with their natural gas resources. I still witnessed first hand arab treatement of South Asians. There are the odd ones here and there that are decent human beings and those are the educated ones. One of the funny things about the company was that every individual who had an American or European passport had to be Senior Staff and hence they got the special privileges and get to be supervisors. This type of discrimination is prevalent all over the middle east, however Indians are slowly fighting back through sheer power of their education and qualifications. I've seen countless worker camps such as the one shown in Syriana.Its a reality,one that will take a couple of more years to work itself out.

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The guy was pardoned when the Saudi King came to India last year