‘If I spoke Punjabi’

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January 19, 2006

‘If I spoke Punjabi’Politics

Almost fifty people are running to become Canada’s latest South Asian MPs:

Who wants to be a Canadian millionaire (USD $14.92)?

For Jaipal Massey-Singh, Bal Gosal and Jagtar Shergil however, Saturdays for the past month and a half means knocking on doors, listening to complaints and plaudits and eating take-away food… All three men are running in the Canada’s 23 January general elections… [Link]

Fluency in Punjabi or Hindi is virtually a prerequisite for the ethnic vote. In the Punjabi area of Vancouver, the streetsigns are in Gurmukhi:

Nearby, a volunteer makes comforting noises into a phone receiver, before hanging up and saying wistfully, “If I spoke Punjabi, I would know whether or not I was promised that vote.” Mr Gosal says he campaigns in three languages, Punjabi for his largely Sikh constituents, Hindi for other South Asians and English for the rest. [Link]

‘If I spoke Punjabi, I would know whether or not I was promised that vote’If s/he spoke Punjabi, s/he’d also endure a cross-examination about his/her marital situation, village ancestry and parents’ health before being force-fed chai and laddoos. Michael Bloomberg also attempted speaking in Urdu in his re-election campaign for NYC mayor:

During his re-election campaign, Mr. Bloomberg soaked up the city’s diverse communities by hopscotching across its ethnic neighborhoods, and he even studied Spanish. He recorded campaign commercials in two Chinese dialects, Russian, Urdu and Korean, among other languages. [Link]

The desis-working-at-airports phenomenon is even more pronounced in Canada:

Then an expansion of the Toronto airport more than a decade ago attracted skilled South Asian workers from all over India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka. [Link]

I’m like a bird, eh:

Brampton has fast become one of Canada’s most multi-cultural communities. First it attracted people from Portugal and Italy, largely to work in the construction industry. [Link]

Speaking of Portuguesas from Canada, Nelly Furtado said this recently about M.I.A.:

I have heard bits of the M.I.A album and it is so cool… what a flow, what a style… and girl can dance! [Link]

She’s giving props to a Sri Lankan Brit on her ripoff of Brasilian Portuguese tunes. It’s sort of like me big-upping Truth Hurts for ‘So Addictive,’ only M.I.A. is, oh what’s the word, good.

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56 comments

1 · badmash on January 19, 2006 08:27 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

It's been a pretty interesting election campaign up here. Newton-North Delta (Vancouver) MP Gurmant Grewal (whose wife Nina is also an MP) dropped out of contention early after making unfounded allegations against federal Health Minister Ujjal Dosanj that were based on apparantley doctored tapes.

Calgary based Deepak Obhrai, a veteran of the Conservative party, and young Conservative party star Rahim Jaffer (34) from Edmonton both have a good chance of holding cabinet positions if the Tories are elected to government.

Mississauga-Brampton is the riding of Liberal incumbent Navdeep Bains who at a tender 27 is a rising star in the Liberal party - the other candidates int he riding are also of South Asian origin. Brampton-Springdale is also the riding in which Liberal incumbent and former Bollywood belle Dr. Dhalla Ruby is running.

Meanwhile, Jaswinder Johal is running for the Liberal party in the riding that I live in - poor guy doesn't have a chance against the incumbent Conservative candidate.

2 · badmash on January 19, 2006 09:24 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Should read - Dr. Ruby Dhalla

3 · Kush Tandon on January 19, 2006 09:32 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

badmash,

Is Dr. Ruby Dhalla former Miss India-Canadian and a chiroprator?

my info about all comes from India Today? India Today has pretty serious write-ups on these things.

what happened to immigration-strip club-desi scandal?

4 · DesiDudeInAustin on January 19, 2006 10:01 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Is Dr. Ruby Dhalla former Miss India-Canadian and a chiroprator?

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I'll bet she gets a lot of patients with lumbar joint problems.

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5 · badmash on January 19, 2006 10:09 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Yes on both counts - Ruby is an absolute stunner and very well spoken. She's also a successful chiropractor and businesswoman who owns a chain of clinics with her brother. A friend of mine knows her and thinks the world of her. India Abroad has a pretty good write up on all of the candidates in the January 20th edition - check it out.

As for the Strippergate - Judy Sgro, former minister of Citizenship and Immigration came under fire for the way she ran her last election campaign for 1) apparantley speeding up immigration applications for two former strippers who worked as volunteers in her campaign and 2) accepting free pizza for her campaign from Brampton pizzashop owner, Harjit Singh, whose application for residency was being held up by a number of criminal investigations (including fraud, kidnapping). Singh claimed that Sgro offered to intervene in his immigration hearing in exchange for the pizza. Singh's accusations were later retracted after Sgro was cleared of wrong doing. Singh was deported shortly after.

6 · Kush Tandon on January 19, 2006 10:18 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

"India Abroad has a pretty good write up on all of the candidates in the January 20th edition - check it out."

I do not read India Abroad except if I am @ my brother's home or @ an Indian deli. I do not think much of India Abroad.

India Today = gives me analysis on India from India. They have always few pages on Indian news from distant lands. They had an excellent 30th anniversary issue.

7 · badmash on January 19, 2006 10:25 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

I do not read India Abroad except if I am... @ an Indian deli

You don't say :) I read mine when I'm in line at the Indian grocery store. Aunty always scowls from behind the counter, "either buy it or put it back!"

8 · Expose on January 19, 2006 10:35 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Kush,

Since you have deemed it necessary to share your reading habits, do tell why you think so lowly of the India Abroad weekly?

9 · Kush Tandon on January 19, 2006 11:04 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Since you have deemed it necessary to share your reading habits, do tell why you think so lowly of the India Abroad weekly?

This is my personal opinion: India Abroad is so much caught up in showcasing Indians as "model minority" in North America that it has lost its capability of doing real journalism and critical analysis. If you work for India Abroad or own part of it, please do not take it personally.

It is my take, you might like it. Sometimes, I have read it seriously, like the issue on Kalpana Chawla but that too was in a deli.

10 · Guru Gulab Khatri on January 19, 2006 11:20 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

what do you know i came from attending a punjabi wedding in canada.
Though i'm not pleased with the level of punjabi there though... The young generations hardly understands theth punjabi,
they picked up some hindi from the movies they were watching and just seem to be replicating parents accent.
I had to translate dozens of words when talking to a 12 yr old between punjabi and hindi eg kamli=pagli
the kids are brought up watching hindi movie/TV.
If i had to talk in hindi i might have stayed in nj instead of going to toronto.
oh well next wedding i'm going to is in pathankot so i guess i will get my fill.

11 · Areem on January 20, 2006 12:32 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

This is my personal opinion: India Abroad is so much caught up in showcasing Indians as "model minority" in North America that it has lost its capability of doing real journalism and critical analysis.

This aptly articulates my feelings on the matter as well. The publication raves endlessly about anything even vaguely positive relating to diasporic Indians in any way, shape or form. Usually the only 'negative' stuff that gets a mention is discrimination cases, etc., where the victim is desi. It's not that the writing is 'bad', really, but that it doesn't interrogate the problematic assumptions behind the phenomena it praises -- sure, second-gen desis might have topped whatever national student competition again, but why don't we see discussion of the dark downside to the pressure put upon desi kids by parents and the community to 'succeed'? Sure, PIO-s might make up such-and-such a percentage of allopathic doctors in the US, but what about an indepth article questioning the problematic nature of modern allopathic practices vis-a-vis traditional Indian religious and cultural ethics? This type of serious journalism is needed to bring Indian Abroad out of its unfortunate 'look-how-good-we-are' approach to reporting on all matters Indian. Well, that, and no more cheesecake publicity photos of scantily clad Bollywood actresses in the entertainment section.

12 · Jay Singh on January 20, 2006 05:03 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Though i'm not pleased with the level of punjabi there though... The young generations hardly understands theth punjabi,

They are living in Canada so they shouldnt be expected to speak or understand theth Punjabi. They are not in India so they shouldnt be made to feel as though there is something wrong with that. You speak English in an English speaking society. Most Punjabis abroad speak Punjabi inflected with their own accent - there is nothing worse than a haughty language policeman laughing or criticising a Canadian or British kid because they cannot pronounce certain Punjabi words 'properly'.

They are not living in the pind or in Jalandhar so they should not be mocked because they dont speak Punjabi as if they still ate sugar cane straight from the field and got up to milk the buffalo every morning. Punjabis in the UK and Canada speak Punjabi as they please and as long as they communicate it is all good.

At the end of the day they are Canadians/British first so their Punjabi will be spoken with a Toronto or Birmingham accent and that's the way it should be!

Personally I love it.

13 · anandos on January 20, 2006 06:43 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Interesting - my cousin, born here like me, and like me English-only, is currently in Kuala Lampur running a phone bank for the wrong party (the one that's going to win, it seems). Not only can he get inexpensive workers there, but they're not subject to Canadian election-finance reform, and he can have a room for of Punjabi speakers, a room full of Tamil speakers, a room full of Hindi speakers. . .
I'd of course be most impressed with a room full of JBL speakers, but that's just me.
The absurdity of a desi who is only functional in English being the go-to guy for multilingual brown-people advertising is lovely.

14 · expose on January 20, 2006 10:28 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

brevity, ladies and gentlemen. brevity.

15 · Ananthan on January 20, 2006 10:32 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

The Conservatives seem to be getting a lot better at aggressively targeting the south asian vote, can the Liberals really even rely on the ethnic/immigrant vote anymore?

Guess not:

Adding to the sense of a shift among ethnic voters, second- and third-generation Canadians are no longer likely to have the same allegiances their parents or grandparents had.
"The younger generations are coming from a different perspective," said Persichilli. "The Liberals, if they want the vote of my son, they have to fight."

The Conservatives are even going after the tamil vote. I wonder what the Bloc Quebecois position on the Sri Lankan conflict is...

16 · badmash on January 20, 2006 11:03 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Well, I know that in Western Canada allegiances are shifting as 2nd generation Canadians have started to have families of their own and vote apart from their parents. For example, the Ismaili community has always traditionally voted Liberal, given the fact that Pierre Trudeau was instrumental in bringing a large number of them to Canada when they were displaced from Idi Amin's Uganda. However, most of my Ismaili friends here identify with the sense of "Western Alienation" far more than they do with the provisions of multiculturalism which, although it was a policy introduced by the Liberals, are taken for granted now. The ridings Toronto with a strong presence of people of South Asian origin (Scarborough, Brampton) have always been strongly Liberal and I think will remain so. Surrey-North (which has a large Punjabi population) in the Vancouver area is a bit of a mystery, having changed hands a few times between the Tories and the NDP. The former Tory MP for this riding, Chuck Cadman, died last year, leaving the seat open. Liberal candidate Surjit Kooner is the only South Asian-origin candidate running in the riding.

17 · Fuerza Dulce on January 20, 2006 11:05 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

At the end of the day they are Canadians/British first so their Punjabi will be spoken with a Toronto or Birmingham accent and that's the way it should be!
Personally I love it.

You see a similar trend in Britain, and in the U.S., even. Punjabi has evolved in its own direction over there, and over here, and why shouldn't it be fine? As long as people can communicate with each other. (My own favorite accent is when British-Punjabi guys speak Punjabi (with that random British twang).) Depending on your surrounding community, language will tend to evolve. In regards to theth Punjabi, from my own experience, I've picked up more theth Punjabi along the way because of a desire to better understand the pendu truck-driver music I listen to, but my family didn't speak theth Punjabi as it was (and they're from Ludhiana/Amritsar respectively). I randomly unconsciously stick in theth words when I speak, and my parents look at me as if I were adopted. Are they losing some sort of connection to their language if their family never used certain vocabulary?

There is something to be said for speaking Punjabi period, though. There's a difference between kids being able to differentiate between Hindi and Punjabi, and them speaking Punjabi or theth Punjabi (which also varies from area to area). If you're getting annoyed that they keep saying "hum" instead of "asee", then I can understand your aggravation - you can know and speak Hindi and Punjabi both, but Punjabi isn't a dialect of Hindi. It's a separate language and it shows how much pride or lack thereof some parents instill in their kids for their mothertongue. That's why I also kind of dig that Canadian politicians are recognizing a key demographic and reaching out to them in a way which that particular demographic will respond. They're not assuming that, if they go to a town with a huge Punjabi population, they'll be able to connect with them by speaking Hindi or randomly shouting "Chak de fattey".

Sorry for rambling.

18 · expose on January 20, 2006 11:24 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

any of you punjabi lovers familiar with - chamkila or manak?
now that is hard core stuff.

19 · Fuerza Dulce on January 20, 2006 11:28 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

I'm def. Chamkila and Manak fan. And a bigger Mohammed Siddiq fan.

20 · Fuerza Dulce on January 20, 2006 11:30 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

I'm def. a* Chamkila and Manak fan. And a bigger Mohammed Siddiq fan.

(my bad. typed too fast.)

21 · Guru Gulab Khatri on January 20, 2006 12:45 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

There is something to be said for speaking Punjabi period, though. There's a difference between kids being able to differentiate between Hindi and Punjabi, and them speaking Punjabi or theth Punjabi (which also varies from area to area). If you're getting annoyed that they keep saying "hum" instead of "asee", then I can understand your aggravation - you can know and speak Hindi and Punjabi both, but Punjabi isn't a dialect of Hindi. It's a separate language and it shows how much pride or lack thereof some parents instill in their kids for their mothertongue. That's why I also kind of dig that Canadian politicians are recognizing a key demographic and reaching out to them in a way which that particular demographic will respond. They're not assuming that, if they go to a town with a huge Punjabi population, they'll be able to connect with them by speaking Hindi or randomly shouting "Chak de fattey".
Sorry for rambling.

This is what i noticed there.
Allmost all of them did not bother to learn how to read or write either hindi or gurmukhi which was also disturbing
the only thing about being a punjabi they knew was saying jumping up and down and "hurrr"!
What was really strange is that their older generation had mentioned it atleast 3 times that canada is for punjabis b/c kids pick up the culture.
The only culture they had picked up was from hindi movies, which isnt the high culture of hindi speakers,
and the representation of punjabis in hindi movies though usualy positive is so superficial with the obligatory bhangra dancing fella thrown in.

22 · Ikram on January 20, 2006 01:40 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

There are 35 south asian candidates running for the three major parties in this election (4% of a total 924 major party candidates!). The Conservatives have 16, the Liberals 10, and the NDP 9. However, six of the nine Liberals are running in winnable seats, while only four the the conservative desis have a shot.

Winnable Liberals -- Yasmin Ratansi, Wajid Khan, Gurbax Malhi, Ruby Dhalla, Navdeep Bains, Sukh Dhaliwal, Ujjal Dosanjh.

Winnable Conservatives -- Rahim Jaffer, Rakesh Khosla, Deepak Obhrai, Nina Grewal.

Two of three Desi Conservatives running in Quebec are of Bangladeshi origin -- Mustaque Sarkar and Ishrat Alam. An underreported right-wing Franco-Bangladeshi phenomenon? (The third is an Afghan Quebecker. All three have no hope of winning.)

The former mayor of Flin Flon, Manitoba is a desi (Nazir Ahmad), now running for the Conservatives in the riding of Churchill, Manitoba. Churchill is best known for the annual infestation of Polar Bears.

Liberal MP Wajid Khan is a veteran of the Pakistani Air Force. And a used car dealer.

NDPer Anwar Naqvi is a human rights activist once jailed by the Pakistani gvt. And a poet.

Gurbax Singh Malhi, elected in 1993, claims to be the first Turbanned MP in the western world. There are eight turbanned Sikh men running in this election

After being elected in 2004, Navdeep Bains became Parliamentary Secretary to the PM, the same position Pierre Trudeau held when he was first elected in 1965.

Astonishingly, NDP candidate Jim Gill is not desi. He is a Newfoundlander. He may have a better chance of winning if he put on a turban.

23 · Danny on January 20, 2006 01:48 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Guru Gulab Khatri: you form your opinion by going to one Punjabi wedding, and by speaking to maybe 10 youths.

One thing is for sure, kids either know, or dont know Punjabi based on thier surroundings. I think that some family groups (including uncles, aunts, cousins, thaya, thai, what have you) stress the importance of culture and language, and others do not. So it's quite possible that the wedding you attended was by composed largely of a group that does not value thier kids' speaking Punjabi.

In my experience, the vast majority of kids know more Punjabi and are in tune with Punjabi Culture than kids form other cuntries like the US. You can even take classes in most high schools for Punjabi, among other languages. The music of choice is Bhangra. And just the amount of Punjabi related musical talent is quite high out of Toronto. Hindi movies are despised by 80% of the youth I know.

You are wrong to say that most kids in Toronto are out of touch with Punjabi culture and more in tune with Hindu Film culture. Here is an extreme example - Rexdale. Even the kids that are born here in Canada and live in Rexdale choose to speak Punjabi amongst each other first, and English second. Check yo'self homey ;)

24 · Al_Mujahid_for_debauchery on January 20, 2006 01:49 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Wow!
Wonder how long it will take for desis to penetrate the American political system.

25 · Neha on January 20, 2006 02:27 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Allmost all of them did not bother to learn how to read or write either hindi or gurmukhi which was also disturbing

It isn't very often that kids want to learn how to read/write a language of their own volition if they feel the skill isn't going to be used very much. Doesn't matter if the language is Punjabi, French, Latin, whatever. Would it not be up to the parents to give them a little push, set them up with Sunday lessons and such, if they really felt their children needed to learn the language?

There is also no way of knowing if the language ability gained by lessons, etc. will continue on to adulthood. I learnt how to read and write Hindi, Arabic, and French in my school years. Today, though I still know the vowels and consonants by heart I can barely read a sentance in Hindi, same with Arabic (plus I can't understand much of it), and French...well, I know my grammar but can't produce any speech save for hurling insults in Canuck French. Also, I can't read or write a thing in my mother tongue, guju. Haven't had much of an opportunity to practice my skills and they have suffered but I don't mind one bit. As long as I can still converse in Hindi (regardless of my terrible my Guju accent) and Guju (regardless of my terrible Porbandari/Canuck accent) I'm happy and my parents and grandparents and auntys and uncles and bhais and behns are happy.

Isme soo 'disturbing' che? :-P

26 · Neha on January 20, 2006 02:33 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Oi! I just caught the picture caption, $866,760.20 USD ain't no pocket change.

Just kidding. USA USA USA! :-D

27 · Ananthan on January 20, 2006 02:44 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

After being elected in 2004, Navdeep Bains became Parliamentary Secretary to the PM, the same position Pierre Trudeau held when he was first elected in 1965.

Bains is great, I wonder what his chances of actually achieving a really high position in the party are? I see him as being groomed for a major cabinet position eventually.

You can even take classes in most high schools for Punjabi, among other languages.

I took Tamil classes in high school (sat. mornings), it was more of an excuse to socialize than actually learn the language. From what I hear that's what it was like for most kids learning other languages too.

28 · badmash on January 20, 2006 03:28 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Neha - so the Grit's look like they're coming back in the polls, eh? Might be too little too late!!!

Ananthan - Yeah, Bains is pretty cool! Notice there's been one Punjabi-Canadian in cabinet since the early nineties - Herb Dhaliwal then, Ujjal Dosanj now and hopefully Bains in the future!

29 · Neha on January 20, 2006 04:11 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

I hear ya, Badmash, they aren't doing quite as well as they were in the last election. Especially here. The burbs might be their saving grace at this point. Downtown has splintered due to the Bulte & Iggy fiascos and Ianno's involvement in the fishy (har har) waterfront project audit. Stronarch's Newmarket is looking poised to go conservative.

The Liberal campagin has been so terrible that they have made 'The cardboard cutout with Homolka eyes' aka Harper look like a Care Bear.

I voted last saturday in advance (couldn't wait anymore!), went with Chow. I think she deserves trinity-spadina. My method was to think local and vote for the most experienced and least tainted candidate, ha. I think she'll take it and I hope Layton takes danforth again, in his unique position ~~his mustache~~ he has been able to push hard for this city (sharing gas tax for transit, new deal for cities). Thinking local. I don't agree with the NDP 100% by any means but I'm settling for them because Ianno needs to go home and the remaining libs need to re-think this 'god-given right' sort of view that is affecting their party, their efficiency, and of course their constituents.

30 · badmash on January 20, 2006 04:33 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Hmm, interesting choice - I like your rationale. Olivia Chow in parliament will be a good thing! Can you believe the crap the LIberal party has given her (which it then had the gall to call a faux pas!)

'The cardboard cutout with Homolka eyes' - love it :). Tory guru Tom Flannagan has already started making sounds about the direction of a Tory government - a bit scary actually: first stop for clean-up, the Supreme Court!!! Stronach must be just kicking herself - naivite or greed, take your pick.

Sheesh, Iggy picked the wrong election to come back - poor guy, I think he has a lot to offer but his timing and the cloud of suspicion that's surrounded him has shown him to be an embarrassing amateur. You know I really think the whole Ukranian community's beef with him is located somewhere in Ignatieff's own Russian aristocratic roots.

31 · Amitabh on January 20, 2006 09:29 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

As far as preserving their language in the diaspora is concerned, Sikhs have probably done a better job than most (as compared to other desis overall). I think there are reasons for this. Let's compare with South Indians for example (I'm not South Indian but many of my friends are and I've interacted and observed them a lot). Punjabi is made to appear important to a Sikh's identity in a way that Tamil or Telugu (for example) are not (for their respective speakers). This identity aspect is crucial - it's why a lot of desi Muslim kids in the US know Urdu reasonably well, because it's internalized as a part of their identity. Furthermore, Punjabi as a language is made to appear 'cool' and 'fun', as is Punjabi culture. Bhangra music obviously plays a big role in this. Whereas for South Indians, the culture (and associated languages) are made to appear intellectual, difficult, and part of a classical tradition (Carnatic music, Telugu literature, etc)i.e BORING. There is absolutely no 'cool' factor in the way that South Indian parents present their culture. Of course, it is true that in general South Indian cultures are not as hedonistic and wildly fun-loving as the Punjabi culture. They tend to be a bit restrained. So for a young Telugu kid growing up in the US for example, there is not that much to attract him to his language (I'm talking about kids; obviously when we become adults we all nostalgically wish we could speak our mother tongues). If a group of young Telugu-American kids (for example) get together at one of their parents' social occasions, the one or two kids fluent in Telugu will not be held in any special esteem; they might be thought of as geeks who are "too into" the whole "Indian thing"; at a Sikh-American gathering on the other hand, the kid who can speak fluent Punjabi will be the envy of the whole group. So what's the answer? First of all, SPEAK the damn language(s) with your kids! On a daily basis. Naturally. Easily. Make it flow, let it be a part of your normal daily life. Joke around in it, banter in it, lighten it up, don't let it become some boring, difficult, impossible-to-master kind of thing. If parents don't speak the language, game over. Secondly, the biggest misconception parents have is "the kids can take classes on the weekend at the temple". These classes SUCK. Simply learning the alphabet and memorising a few sentences IS NOT LEARNING THE LANGUAGE! No, that requires a very different approach, such as is used in Spanish/French classes in US high schools...a combination of grammer, vocabulary, reading passages, exercises, etc. gradually increasing in difficulty, all taught by trained language teachers (in short, it ain't gonna happen, so it's still the parents' responsibility to transmit the basics of the spoken language to their kids). This is ONLY if preserving our languages matter to us of course

32 · dh on January 24, 2006 08:25 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

woohoo - cons win minority - best thing is ndp gets its hands off the levers of power, barring pq,libs,ndp banding together - for dem indophiles - grewal, dosanjh and bains won.

sub-text - with marting leaving party leadership - dosanjh might have a shot - at least warm the seat till ignatieff comes of age - wait and see - you read it here first

33 · .ca on January 24, 2006 09:03 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

boohoo - cons win.

34 · dh on January 24, 2006 09:14 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

aww man! it's the best thing possible - i'm quite bullish on this - a minority con govt will be kept in check from doing anything too radical like the nuckiler umbrella AND we get the NDP from poaching in - here's something funny sort of to cheer you up . Read in the g&m the other day a local eatery was offering dishes named after the party leaders ...

The Harper burger for them who like something unspectacularly solid. The Layton chicken and ribs special for those who want a little bit of this and a little bit of that... and -drumroll- The Martin Jambalaya for those who want a big gloopy, amorphous mass of everythng and nothing.

35 · ms. marmite on January 24, 2006 09:27 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

The Martin Jambalaya for those who want a big gloopy, amorphous mass of everythng and nothing.

lol. beautifully put.

well, i'm happy for you. sucks to be lefty me. i think the NDP will still have a positive influence (or 'poaching in' as you said...hee)

cheers.

36 · vi on January 24, 2006 09:36 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

poor guy has yet to update his website.

37 · Vera on January 24, 2006 10:07 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

for dem indophiles - grewal, dosanjh and bains won.

As did dreamy Rahim Jaffer. (boo)

ps. on a totally superficial tip: what has this man done to his once perfect hair?

38 · dh on January 24, 2006 10:20 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

respect where it's due ... if it hadnt been for martin ... i would have lost faith and moved to the us ... spent the bulk of the nineties in the us on my grad studies ... many options when i finished - needed a gut check... the heart pointed north ... but the economy was stinking in the early nineties had to take a hard headed look at things... this man turned the country around ... turned north and decided on building a career here... just so you get the timeline right... this was the late nineties... the height of the dotcom bubble - and i went the 'wrong' way - i still get kicks thinking... boy - did i play that right...

i voted con but martin is still the man to me - hope the libs come out leaner and stronger through this... it's a blessing i still say - that one can make a rational political decision in respect to party platforms and not through ideology

- gets off soapbox -

39 · Al_Mujahid_for_debauchery on January 24, 2006 10:24 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Which way do the Bloc Quebecois and New Democrats lean? Are they conservative or liberal? Cant the liberals join with Bloc Quebecois to form the government?

40 · vi on January 24, 2006 10:31 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

...that one can make a rational political decision in respect to party platforms and not through ideology

huh?

That was not a snarky 'huh?', but a genuine 'huh?'. Just want to understand what you intended to say fully. By rational do you mean strategic, and by ideology do you mean principles? (okay, that was somewhat snarky) ;)

41 · Vera on January 24, 2006 10:48 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Which way do the Bloc Quebecois and New Democrats lean? Are they conservative or liberal? Cant the liberals join with Bloc Quebecois to form the government?

The Bloc are separatist lefties (though that's highly debatable...but generally the policy stances they've taken have been left-leaning rather than right-leaning), and the ND's are plain old lefties (i guess you could also call them federalist lefties)...neither are little c conservatives...though many of the early bloc members (like its former leader Lucien Bouchard) were former Conservative Party members. Anyway, I don't see the Liberal party and the Bloc joining in a coalition...we're stuck with Harper for the time being. I think the coalition work will be on an issue-by-issue basis. The Conservatives and the Bloc will probably get along on issues of increasing power for the provinces and decentralizing federalism.

42 · .ca on January 24, 2006 11:00 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Which way do the Bloc Quebecois and New Democrats lean? Are they conservative or liberal? Cant the liberals join with Bloc Quebecois to form the government?

Short answer:
no

Long answer that likely over-estimates your desire to know:

The Bloc and the Liberals are long time opponents. So not likely at all. (though stranger things have happened)

The NDP are left, while the Liberal Party is a centre party (hence the aptness of the "Martin Jambalaya for those who want a big gloopy, amorphous mass of everything and nothing" comment). :)

The liberals tend to campaign on the left and govern on the right...so the NDP and the Liberals disagree often on policy directions. I think its possible they'll come together on particular issues, but not to form the next government.

43 · dh on January 24, 2006 11:50 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

That was not a snarky 'huh?', but a genuine 'huh?'. Just want to understand what you intended to say fully. By rational do you mean strategic, and by ideology do you mean principles? (okay, that was somewhat snarky) ;)

hey vi - no probs - i multitask quite aggressively across emails, skype and the casual meandering into SM - had in mind the aggressive political rhetoric in the US in which the blue and the red camps seem to be at opposite poles - that's not healthy in my mind - it's like if you win then i lose ... i felt we're lucky to not feel we've been left out of the government even if our candidate did not win - none of the parties (except NDP) were beyond consideration for me

44 · dh on January 24, 2006 12:14 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

- none of the parties (except NDP) were beyond consideration for me

welll i take that back... i had the cons, libs, greens in mind - um.. the marxist, leninst, animal rights ... not so inclined... - this must seem like so many thought bubbles pasted out here...

45 · Al_Mujahid_for_debauchery on January 24, 2006 02:21 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

I dont understand this.

You have the Liberal Party (lp) which is centrist or Left and has won 103 seats.
You have the Bloc Quebecians (bc) who are Leftists or Centrists federalists and they have won 51 seats.
You have the NDP which is even more left and has won 29 seats.
So the Centrist or Leftist Parties have won 183 seats.

The conservatives have only won 124 seats.

So why on earth would the conservatives form the government? They need a coalition to form the majority. Why would the bc or ndp support the conservatives when they are closer to lp in ideology.
I am presuming a person who voted for ndp or bc would rather see their party support lp which would be closer to them in ideology instead of their party supporting the conservatives.

Also which party gets the first chance to form the government. In a Parliamentary democracy, as I understand, the party which gets the first offer to form the government has the best ability to offer carrots to other parties (cabinet seats etc) to make them join the coalition. Does the single largest party automatically get invited to form the government. What if the single largest party fails to get any coalition members to support them? Does the second largest party then get the invitation?

Thanks to any Canadian who takes the time to explain some or all of my questions.

46 · dh on January 24, 2006 03:12 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

the fact the cons as a registered party won the most seats gives them the authority to form the minority government - as the second party over the line the libs form the formal opposition - this is a given - that being said - the cons are not guaranteed a free rein for the extreme hardliners because like you said - the bulk ofthe parliament has leftish leanings - if they all get it in their head, it is possible to submit a no-confidence motion and get the government thrown out - the last motion passed precisely because the majority of the parliament banded together to get the government dissolved - and THE reason why I am really angry at the NDP

The way forward - the ideological lynchpin to a functioning parliament this time around is common ground between PQ and Cons in greater provincial autonomy from the center. otherwise another election in 2007...

47 · Ikram on January 24, 2006 03:15 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Al-Mujahid:

At the federal level, Canada does not have a tradition of coalition governments. The Governor General will invite the leader of the largest party in Parliament to form a government and demonstrate that he or she has the confidence of the house.

In minority situation, the other parties will abstain or support the government from the outside in a confidence vote, and the government will function on an issue by issue basis. This is what happened when the Liberals won a minority in 2004.

Theoretically, it is possible that the other parties will gang up together and try to support someone other than the Conservatives for gvt. However, federally, this never happens. It is understood that Canadians have granted the largest party a mandate (albeit a minority). Any party that ignored this mandate would likely be punished in the next election.

At the provincial level, the only example of the seat winner not forming a government in in Ontario in 1985 -- but there were special circumstances.

To bring this back to matters brown, here is a list of brown MPs in this Parliament:

Yasmin Ratansi, Navdeep Bains, Ruby Dhalla, Gurbax Malhi, Wajid Khan, Sukh Dhaliwal, Ujjal Dosanjh -- Lib

Deepak Obhrai, Rahim Jaffer, Nina Grewal -- Con

Pretty much the same as last time, except that disgraced Gurmant Grewal (Nina's husband) is gone and Sukh Dhaliwal won his seat.

48 · Ananthan on January 24, 2006 03:32 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Also, neither major party would want to enter into any sort of long-term alliance with the Bloc. Separatism - or the fear of it - has been playing a bigger role in federal politics lately. They prefer to work with the bloc on an issue by issue basis to avoid being seen as too close to them. The bloc really holds the balance of power in this new government though; the willingness of the Conservatives to give into their demands might be what determines how long this government lasts.

49 · dhaavak on January 24, 2006 03:59 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

and the way i see it ananthan is that as long as the bloc draws a line between autonomy and separatism - there is a lot of room to play - harper's talked about firewalls around alberta and provincial autonomy is right up his alley - even layton, for all his failings, wants more for TO and will likely support special autonomous status to the big four cities - oo i get goosebumps... - maybe mad mel wasnt so loopy after all...

50 · Al_Mujahid_for_debauchery on January 24, 2006 04:12 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Wow!
I cant imagine the Conservative surviving for more than a year or two.

Thanks everybody for educating me :)

51 · Diana BenAvides on January 13, 2007 04:42 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

From : Diana Benavides
Sent : Thursday, January 4, 2007 7:50 PM
To : beaumier.c@parl.gc.ca
CC : dianabenavides4@hotmail.com
Subject : RANJIT SIGNH AULAKH/Colleen Beaumier/ Member of Parlament Ontario/613-9955381

Ranjit address in toronto is 38 keystone drive, brampton, ontario, l6y3k8 905-487-8476 and 905-796-3668
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IMPORTANT ID INFORMATION ABOUT Mr. Ranjit Singh..... File No#5850978-19/8/82 Indian Passport, Issued in Jalandhar. Toronto Adress: 38 Keystone Drive, Brampton, Ontario, L6Y3K8. 905-796-3668. He has 2 different Dates of Birth: In India 07/04/1956...In Canada File: 2654367 Date of Birth:7/13/1956. Canadian Social Security Number:537-840-746. Place of Birth: Lapoke, Amritsar, India. Indian Passport issued in Toronto: #E5682028 from 02/09/03 to 01/09/2013.

This man lives in Ocala, Fl at the time, and he promotes curroption and prostitution by meeting women in the internet, making sure that they are American Citizens (I will provide the names and the numbers of some of the women that he has met over the internet(and all kinds of different sites), and, one by one, has invited to his home, or, visited them, at their residence place, to encounter sexual relationships with them. Telling each woman a different story about his life, and, maintaining a romantic relationship with all of them, by lieyig, cheating, fooling, the trust, and love that these women have deposited in this man.

I can also provide the number of the American visa that he has from the United States of America, which, according to the information, expires in 2013.

Dear Sirs,

If we, The American People, The American Women of this greatg nation, could go back in time, before September the 11th,2001; and, study the personality, behaviour, patterns, personality, actions, and traits of life of the many Terrorrists men, that lived, mingled, and blended among us, by pretending to have honorable lives, intentions, and purpose; with all the resources, assests and opportunities that our wonderful nation, generous people, and good hearted innocent women offered to these mounstrous men; I am sure that would do things differently. Fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, relatives, friends, and citizens in general would pay attention to the smallest details in the daily life of these horrific beings; we would see beyond their actions and reactions, and, we would certainly, listen beyond their clever, astute words.

Unfortunately, a lot of our women were used by these dark beings; to the point of procreating children for them. Most of these women were vulnerable to the dream of any woman to find the love of her life, make a family, and have a life with a good and special man. These women lives, hearts, dreams, and wombs were used, and abused; as an instrument to attain the dark purposes of these disfunctional beings.

These women have been victims and intruments to massive destruction of our free, justice, and capitalist system; without even knowing it. Some of them, have been detached from their children for the sake of these men's dark cause.

The enemy and the threat is still out there. They will not stop. And, unfortunately, their best ally continues to be the vulnerable heart of our American women; to meet their aim and need to obtain legality in our country, and, hide their true intentions, by making a "family life".

From : Diana BenAvides
Sent : Wednesday, December 20, 2006 6:08 AM
To : dianabenavides4@hotmail.com
Subject : Ranjit Singh Aulakh - MrSikhNet Blog

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Dear Sirs,

My name is Diana Ben-Avides, I am Jewish and I have lived in Miami, Florida
for the last 25 years of my life. I want you to know that I am found of
your culture and I have a lot of respect for a lot of members of the same.

The reason that I am approaching you all, through this letter, is to be
ablel to get the information that will give me the red light to marry the
man that has proposed marriage to me, whom happens to be a Sikh, member of
your community.

I believe and I have hope that there is more goodness in this world than
evil, but, I think I am entittled to, and have all rights to investigate
about a man, whom I happen to know very little of, due to the
circumstances, but wants to marry me.

I say, the circumstances, because, his family is not here, in Miami,
Orlando, nor USA. The little that I know is that he came to Canada back in
1986, in Toronto, and that he has a brother whom also lives there with his
family.
He told me that he was arranged in marriage by his family, since he was
very young, and that he had to marry the lady, in order to please his
family. According to him, the marriage was a disaster, and so his family,
in Toronto and in india, came to know of the very un-happy marriage, and
therefore encouraged him to get a divorce.

Such a divorce took place about 3 years back, and that was, when, he
decided to move to Orlando, Florida, where he has been working as a
contractor( building houses and other constructions). He told me that his
partner, as a matter of fact, whose son got married recently, with one of
the daughters, of the owners, of Punjab Palace in Orlando, Florida, last
weekend, was the person that had provided him with a lot of support since
he came to USA.
At the moment, he is living at 7403 S.W. 129 PL, Ocala, Florida,
34473-5210. His number there is 352-347-0429 and cell 352-598-2087. That is
one of the model homes, that they are building in an area called marion, in
Ocala.

His name is Ranjit Signh Aulakh, according to him, he is 40 years old, but
looks older, and he wears a turban. The interesting part is that when you
call information to get the name tht the home number is under, it says that
it belongs to a Mr. Gill Balwinder.

The reason that I got very suspicious about this man, whom, I happen to
care for very much, is because, he had told me that he was a citizen of
Canada, but, recently, I had the opportunity to look at his passport, and
it was an Indian passport, which had a visa from USA, since 1996 to 2014 to
come and go out of the country.

I asked him immediately, that I did not understand, if he was a Canadian
Citizen, why he was travelling with an Indian passport, and he said, that
it did not matter, because Canada and India had dual citizenship, and that
he could come and go from the USA as many times he pleased. I repplied that
I did not doubt that for a minute, but, if he was indeed a Canadian, no
matter what other dual citizenship he had, would it not better to come into
USA, as a Canadian, than and Indian? He said that I did not know anything,
and that he was a Canadian, but that he had not been able to get his
Canadian passport, and that they took a very long time, because Canada did
a very extensive back ground check.

At that moment, I became very suspicious of the whole situation, and if he
is lieyign to me about something as simple as that, he might be lieying to
me about his status, whether married or single.

I always used to tell him, that I did not understand why men lie when
approaching a lady. They are just asking for trouble when they do that, and
they might lose someone really good at the same time. Unlike, when a man
approaches a woman with the truth, he is giving her the opportunity to
decide if to come and play along, knowing what the situation is and where
she stands, and if she does come along, then, he has nothing to worry
about, because he has been honest and truthful. Whatever happens in the
furute is the woman's risk and problem, because she knew the conditions
since the beginning.

I am very sorry to bother you all with this matter, but I know that among
you, there is someone who has a sister, a mother, a daughter, a female
relative, that you would not want or wish to get cheated by anyone. It is
not right to play with the life and the feelings of a woman, especially,
when this woman has done nothing, but to care and be good to the man.

Please, if you can provide me with some feedback about Mr. Ranjit Sing
Aulakh in Orlando/Ocala, Florida, I would thank you and the heavens would
bless you always for your good deeds.

With all due respect, I submit my appeal and request to you and your
community.

Diana Ben-Avides
786-344-1151
dianabenavides4@hotmail.com
Please read the e-mail below, which also provides you with a pic of Mr.
Ranjit Singh Aulakh.

From: "Diana Benavides"
To: dbenavides@rediff.com
CC: dianapatriciabenavides@yahoo.com
Subject: FW: RE: HONEY ..here is my pic ...LOVE YOU.
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 06:20:21 +0000

From: "Diana Benavides"
To: karen@nriinternet.com
CC: dianabenavides4@hotmail.com
Subject: FW: RE: HONEY ..here is my pic ...LOVE YOU.
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 05:59:17 +0000

From: "Ranjit Singh"
To: dianabenavides4@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: HONEY ..here is my pic ...LOVE YOU.
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 18:41:23 -0500

From: "Diana Benavides"
To: ranjitmail@hotmail.com
Subject: HONEY ..PLEASE SEND PIC AND READ THIS ONE ...LOVE YOU.
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 23:08:18 +0000

Honey...

PLEASE SEND ME THE PICS ...DONOT FORGET ...I WANT TO HAVE THEM, TO SEE YOU MY LOVE...I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT WE DID NOT TAKE PICS OF EACH OTHER THIS LAST TIME THAT I WAS THERE WITH YOU ...NEXT TIME WE ARE AND WHEN YOU COME TO MIAMI TOO....WE ARE GOING TO START BUILDING OUR NEST ...SO WE CAN SHOW OUR CHILDREN LATER IN LIFE ..OR SIMPLY ....LAUGH AT EACH OTHER WHEN WE ARE OLD WITHOUT ANY HAIR AND NO TEETH .....

I WILL LOVE YOU ANYWAYS ....AND YOU WILL BE THE MOST HANDOSOME MAN OF SOUTH FLORIDA TO ME ....OK.,...THE WHOLE WORLD .....
AHAHAHHAHAHAHA
LOVE YOU ...
DIANA

Life has its mysterious ways ....There are things, happenings, feelings, that are meant to be ...and they do not require much logic or explanation ...They simply are!

I have met you in the most un-usual circumstances....In a way that, maybe a year ago, I would had not considered an option, to meet someone especial, much less, someone to develop feelings for ...and consider to spend the rest of my life with him...

But, the fact is that, whaever the initial motive, cause, or reason to be there....at the site,.....We have found each other ...I have found you!!!!! ....and I am very happy with it.

I think that I am blessed to have found a man like you ...I know that you are a good man .....and I love you too.....
You mean so much to me already....and many of the things that, I do and/or do not do, are thinking about you ....Because you are not only in my thoughts, but in my heart as well.

I know that God loves me and loves you too...and He wants the best for both of us....If one of us is a good person and the other one is not ....then, the good one does not deseve the bad one and viceversa......Therefore, things will not be...

But ...if we are good within our inperfections, but try to be good to one of another and others.....I know that we can make and build out of this a beautiful and ever lasting blessed relationship.

Please, do take care of yourself....Do not be careless, and DO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT IS GOING ON AROUND YOU.....
AT A PUBLIC BATHROOM, A CAFE/RESTAURANT, ON THE ROAD WHEN DRIVING, WHO IS INFRONT OF YOU, NEXT TO YOU AND BEHIND YOU .....Please.....remember....there are a lot of bad people out there .....Do not trust anyone ...no man, no woman , no child......it can be a trap...

Bring all your documents with you .....and please make sure that you leave the house secured ...windows, light on and windows closed ....

Please do not GET ANYONE INSIDE THE CAR FOR A RIDE AND DO NOT DRIVE IN THE EVENING ....PLEASE ...DO NOT FALL ASLEEP WHILE YOUR DRIVING .....

LOCK ALL THE DOORS IN THE CAR AND THE WINDOWNS ....

SAY A PRAY IN THE MORNING AND THE EVENING AND THROUGHOUT THE DAY....So, the Lord blesses your path and your route and all your surroundings ....that angels come your way and all evils stay away from you ......

Remember that I love you, very much already .....

from the bottom of my heart,

Diana Priscilla

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>From: "Diana Benavides"
>To: karen@nriinternet.com
>CC: dianabenavides4@hotmail.com
>Subject: FW: RE: HONEY ..here is my pic ...LOVE YOU.
>Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 05:59:17 +0000
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Ranjit Singh"
>>To: dianabenavides4@hotmail.com
>>Subject: RE: HONEY ..here is my pic ...LOVE YOU.
>>Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 18:41:23 -0500
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "Diana Benavides"
>>>To: ranjitmail@hotmail.com
>>>Subject: HONEY ..PLEASE SEND PIC AND READ THIS ONE ...LOVE YOU.
>>>Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 23:08:18 +0000
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Honey...
>>>
>>>PLEASE SEND ME THE PICS ...DONOT FORGET ...I WANT TO HAVE THEM, TO
>>>SEE YOU MY LOVE...I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT WE DID NOT TAKE PICS OF
>>>EACH OTHER THIS LAST TIME THAT I WAS THERE WITH YOU ...NEXT TIME
>>>WE ARE AND WHEN YOU COME TO MIAMI TOO....WE ARE GOING TO START
>>>BUILDING OUR NEST ...SO WE CAN SHOW OUR CHILDREN LATER IN LIFE
>>>..OR SIMPLY ....LAUGH AT EACH OTHER WHEN WE ARE OLD WITHOUT ANY
>>>HAIR AND NO TEETH .....
>>>
>>>I WILL LOVE YOU ANYWAYS ....AND YOU WILL BE THE MOST HANDOSOME MAN
>>>OF SOUTH FLORIDA TO ME ....OK.,...THE WHOLE WORLD .....
>>>AHAHAHHAHAHAHA
>>>LOVE YOU ...
>>>DIANA
>>>
>>>
>>>Life has its mysterious ways ....There are things, happenings,
>>>feelings, that are meant to be ...and they do not require much
>>>logic or explanation ...They simply are!
>>>
>>>I have met you in the most un-usual circumstances....In a way
>>>that, maybe a year ago, I would had not considered an option, to
>>>meet someone especial, much less, someone to develop feelings for
>>>...and consider to spend the rest of my life with him...
>>>
>>>But, the fact is that, whaever the initial motive, cause, or
>>>reason to be there....at the site,.....We have found each other
>>>...I have found you!!!!! ....and I am very happy with it.
>>>
>>>I think that I am blessed to have found a man like you ...I know
>>>that you are a good man .....and I love you too.....
>>>You mean so much to me already....and many of the things that, I
>>>do and/or do not do, are thinking about you ....Because you are
>>>not only in my thoughts, but in my heart as well.
>>>
>>>I know that God loves me and loves you too...and He wants the best
>>>for both of us....If one of us is a good person and the other one
>>>is not ....then, the good one does not deseve the bad one and
>>>viceversa......Therefore, things will not be...
>>>
>>>But ...if we are good within our inperfections, but try to be good
>>>to one of another and others.....I know that we can make and build
>>>out of this a beautiful and ever lasting blessed relationship.
>>>
>>>Please, do take care of yourself....Do not be careless, and DO PAY
>>> ATTENTION TO WHAT IS GOING ON AROUND YOU.....
>>>AT A PUBLIC BATHROOM, A CAFE/RESTAURANT, ON THE ROAD WHEN DRIVING,
>>>WHO IS INFRONT OF YOU, NEXT TO YOU AND BEHIND YOU
>>>.....Please.....remember....there are a lot of bad people out
>>>there .....Do not trust anyone ...no man, no woman , no
>>>child......it can be a trap...
>>>
>>>Bring all your documents with you .....and please make sure that
>>>you leave the house secured ...windows, light on and windows
>>>closed ....
>>>
>>>Please do not GET ANYONE INSIDE THE CAR FOR A RIDE AND DO NOT
>>>DRIVE IN THE EVENING ....PLEASE ...DO NOT FALL ASLEEP WHILE YOUR
>>>DRIVING .....
>>>
>>>LOCK ALL THE DOORS IN THE CAR AND THE WINDOWNS ....
>>>
>>>SAY A PRAY IN THE MORNING AND THE EVENING AND THROUGHOUT THE
>>>DAY....So, the Lord blesses your path and your route and all your
>>>surroundings ....that angels come your way and all evils stay away
>>>from you ......
>>>
>>>Remember that I love you, very much already .....
>>>
>>>from the bottom of my heart,
>>>
>>>Diana Priscilla
>>>
>>>Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger
>>>Download today it's FREE!
>>>
>>
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From : Diana Benavides
Sent : Thursday, January 4, 2007 7:50 PM
To : beaumier.c@parl.gc.ca
CC : dianabenavides4@hotmail.com
Subject : RANJIT SIGNH AULAKH/Colleen Beaumier/ Member of Parlament Ontario/613-9955381

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IMPORTANT ID INFORMATION ABOUT Mr. Ranjit Singh..... File No#5850978-19/8/82 Indian Passport, Issued in Jalandhar. Toronto Adress: 38 Keystone Drive, Brampton, Ontario, L6Y3K8. 905-796-3668. He has 2 different Dates of Birth: In India 07/04/1956...In Canada File: 2654367 Date of Birth:7/13/1956. Canadian Social Security Number:537-840-746. Place of Birth: Lapoke, Amritsar, India. Indian Passport issued in Toronto: #E5682028 from 02/09/03 to 01/09/2013.