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May 24, 2006

I may no longer have pink hair and my square-toe docs are 3,000 miles away, but I like to think that being punk requires more than such outward signals. I’m nowhere near as in to anarchy as I once was, but I still totally love the idea of DIY everything. In honor of that hallowed part of punk ideology, I present to you the following blurb which features advice from some desi beauty expert whom I’ve never heard of…I ganked it from the May 2006 issue of Jane, which I’m trying desperately to stay fond of, even though it is suddenly for 20-something women. WTF?

Oh, Sassy…how you are missed. You are the only reason I still subscribe to the monthly which is supposedly your phoenix.

DIY pore shrinkage

Here’s an easy way to minimize the appearance of enlarged pores courtesy of Anjali, who was formerly the Martha Stew of Indian daytime TV and now is head of product development at Shobha salon in NY.

Using a blender, puree one medium unripe tomato (the greener the better…) with one teaspoon of honey— this will mix the astringent power of the fruit w/the natural moisturizers in the honey. Apply the pulp to a freshly washed face, leave it on for 20 minutes, then rinse.

And if your problems go beyond skin issues, toss the remaining puree into a shaker, add some salt, a little vodka and a lot of ice. Shake, pour, drink. - Celia

Um, no, I haven’t tried it. But I was the guinea piglet for L’oreal’s latest mascara so I think I should get a pass on this little experiment. If YOU are brave enough to smear extra sweet salsa on your punim, do let us know if this results in less holes in your face, thanks .

POSTED BY anna @ 12:17 PM

215 comments

1 · dhaavak on May 24, 2006 1:08 PM · Direct link

thanks for the link anna,... those extra grey cells were really making my butt look too big. glad to be rid of them.

I'm In sixth grade, and I like a boy in fifth, but he's going out with a ninth grader (total slut). She's only going out with him because I like him, but he doesn't see it. I know he likes me because every time I talk about another guy, he gets jealous. What should I do?

I am 15 years old and have extremely large breasts. I'm not going to get into exactly how big they are, but they're way bigger than a triple-D. Everyone that I meet, guys especially, wants to get to know me because of that. The girls try to act like they're fake. What to do?

i found one green tomato in the fridge, but that's my science project from last month. i think i'll pass on this.

2 · taz on May 24, 2006 1:16 PM · Direct link

I LOVE JANE MAG!!! Don't diss then, they have a desi lady on staff, and make it a point to bring desi twists to their stories much more than other mainstream mags. Nonetheless, since this new editor came on board, I've let my subscription lapse.

Anyways, there ain't nathin wrong with the mid-twenties! Much better than reading Good Housekeeping or Martha Stewart Living, Redbook or Vanity Fair or other mags geared for the 'elders'. ANNA, you look like you are in your mid-twenties anyways... ;-)

3 · Dr. CAD on May 24, 2006 1:18 PM · Direct link

If YOU are brave enough to smear extra sweet salsa on your face, do let us know if there are less holes in your face, thanks .

Tomato is known for its power as an astringent.I've never tried it, but I've tried lemon juice mixed with honey, and my face looked like a crane had run over it.

I've heard that the "olive oil wash" eliminates every known skin care problem. All you do is instead of washing your face with soap, you wash it with cold pressed virgil olive oil. It is supposed to clean out your pores, decongest them and shrink them. I haven't tried this either, but it's supposed to work like magic.

My suggestion for general cleanliness: use a washcloth and soap in the shower everyday. Lather up and scrub away!!

--Cheap Ass Desi

4 · A N N A on May 24, 2006 1:26 PM · Direct link

Anyways, there ain't nathin wrong with the mid-twenties! Much better than reading Good Housekeeping or Martha Stewart Living, Redbook or Vanity Fair or other mags geared for the 'elders'. ANNA, you look like you are in your mid-twenties anyways... ;-)

When I was writing this and I wanted to find a link to "Jane", I googled and then noticed that their tagline was "blah blah blah for 20-something women". My post says "nathin" negative about 20-somethings. I just think it's beyond lame that this magazine would so narrowly define their audience when the people I know who've been most loyal to it (ONLY b/c of Sassy) are all like me, in their early 30s. You know, the age where we read Redbook to get new casserole recipes while we wait for the dye to cover the grey in our hair.

I LOVE JANE MAG!!! Don't diss then, they have a desi lady on staff, and make it a point to bring desi twists to their stories much more than other mainstream mags. Nonetheless, since this new editor came on board, I've let my subscription lapse.

If you knew Sassy, you'd feel the same way about Jane, it is a pale shadow of the legendary teen mag which NEVER would've put something as pathetically Cosmopolitan as "6 tips for the BEST SEX EVER on page 82" (actual headline on the same issue this post was inspired by). But I understand-- it was before your time.

ANNA, you look like you are in your mid-twenties anyways... ;-)

How kind of you!

5 · Jai on May 24, 2006 1:30 PM · Direct link

ANNA, you look like you are in your mid-twenties anyways...

On a serious note, I have to second this. When I first saw photos of Anna here on SM, I thought she was in her early/mid-twenties too.

*Speaking quickly before there are any awkward misunderstandings* Not that Anna's actually very old anyway -- she's just a year younger than me -- but she does look a lot younger than many other women around her age. So all this is actually a huge compliment to her.

6 · eofia on May 24, 2006 1:34 PM · Direct link

Jai, I love how you are always so careful to explain yourself so meticulously. I don't think anyone would misunderstand your kind words. There's a way to phrase things and there's a way to definitely...not.

7 · Jai on May 24, 2006 1:53 PM · Direct link

Eofia, that's a very nice thing to say. Thank you.

8 · Neha on May 24, 2006 1:53 PM · Direct link

Yeeeaaa girlfriend, punny Def Leppard goodness and beauty tips!

This recipe sounds delish...I mean, useful. Putting fruits and veggies on my face was one of my mum's fav hobbies. The best treatment I can recommend for a healthy glow is mashed up banana. Leave on face for 10 min and rinse off, immediate results.

I used to love Jane but with their new editor things have started to suck big time. Haven't read it in months but they used to have great in-depth articles on everything from female prisons to perverted gyns, the last issue I read had only ads and fluff. Ads and fluff, I say.

9 · Cheap Ass Desi on May 24, 2006 1:56 PM · Direct link

Anna:

All this baqwaas about being "old" once you are past your mid 20's is just consumer propaganda and societal BS. I myself am over 25, and I don't see myself as "old", despite all the aunties and uncles telling me that I'm "getting too old for marriage", and if I "wait any longer, no man will want to marry me" (!), and thus, I should get my shaadi arranged before I hit my 30's. Honestly.

Be proud of your age. Don't cave into societal forces.

10 · Alex on May 24, 2006 1:57 PM · Direct link

You ever make your own skirt out of duct tape?

That is the ultimate DIY project.

New York Bathrooms

11 · Pooja on May 24, 2006 2:00 PM · Direct link

Jane is so NOT the new Sassy.

Sigh.

Neha, putting food on my face was one of *my* mum's fav hobbies, too. Besan (gram flour) and haldi (turmeric) was her favorite exfoliant.

12 · Jai on May 24, 2006 2:02 PM · Direct link

"getting too old for marriage", and if I "wait any longer, no man will want to marry me"

Us guys get that hassle too, albeit not as much (or as early) as the ladies do.

Yours sincerely,
Jai, 32 and still foxy.

13 · Jeet on May 24, 2006 2:10 PM · Direct link

30s is the new twenties. and Anna you are hot!
actually all SM ladies are

14 · AC on May 24, 2006 2:12 PM · Direct link

my mother used to scrub me silly with a little terracota-colored heart-shaped stone that delivered the same abrasive shock as you'd get when being hurled off your bicycle and sliding your knees across twenty feet of asphalt. perhaps, in my infinite paranoia, it was a redemptive measure she took to expunge me of sins i may have committed, but my less dramatic side likes to believe it was because i'd come home caked in dirt and filth from playing outside. either way, that thing hurt like hell, although it did come in handy during the occassional bacne episode in later years. (i know, i know, gross)

15 · Ani on May 24, 2006 2:28 PM · Direct link

I second that -- 30's are the new 20's (but saying that I am definitely not dying to turn 30 either). I think this home remedy may be to severe for peeps with dry skin. What's made my skin look fab is honestly not using soap or any product with detergent in it (a milk protein product is great).

16 · gulab jamun on May 24, 2006 2:30 PM · Direct link

haldi (turmeric) was her favorite exfoliant.

um, wouldn't that make you end up looking....YELLOW?

17 · Ravin on May 24, 2006 2:39 PM · Direct link

um, wouldn't that make you end up looking....YELLOW?

no... that's called a healthy glow.

My mom usually mixed the besan and haldi with dahi, to make a face pack type of thing... I am was such a good son.

'hai hai Ravin, your skin looks terrible. Put this on your face and sit here for 15 minutes'
Ok Ma.

18 · Kiran on May 24, 2006 2:45 PM · Direct link

Next time someone blames you for something, look 'em straight in the face and ask, "How may I correct this situation?" This will startle and dumbfound them. Then go up and kiss them lightly on the cheek and whisper, "No matter what happens, I will always love you." As you back away, grab your head and scream bloody murder and run like the wind.

How sad that Sassy was before my time -- I wish I had known about this sort of humor when I was a teen.

19 · Msichana on May 24, 2006 2:48 PM · Direct link

haldi (turmeric) was her favorite exfoliant.

Actually, Gulab Jamun, you don't dunk yourself in it. They use very little and often with 'besan' flour. My mom used to make a paste and then have me use a sliced lemon as a loofah. Fun times...

Weird food that she used for beauty remedies?

1. Fresh coconut milk. Always made me very hungry..
2. Potato starch to 'dry out' pimples
3. Beer as a conditioner
4. Egg yolks as a conditioner until the day I cooked them on my eleven year old head....hot shower, forgetting you have eggs on your head, ultra vegetarian mom complaining in disgust as she cleans me head..you get the picture.
5. Mashed avocado for the face

20 · Pooja on May 24, 2006 2:57 PM · Direct link

um, wouldn't that make you end up looking....YELLOW?

Um... yeah. Especially behind the ears.

Msichana, I also did the beer thing and the egg thing. My mother also used to hot-coconut oil my ends. I want to do this now at home on a regular basis, but I don't.

21 · true4blue on May 24, 2006 3:10 PM · Direct link

I've had all sorts of unwelcome stuff put through my digestive system and DIY home remedies applied on this mandir of a body I've got today (re. mandir, it's totally arguable), yet I look like every other brownie (another arguable). Still, I find that the carrot juice, Amla oil, henna/mehndi, egg yolk (for hair conditioner), fresh morning saliva (for acne), and Fair & Lovely did more for my mom in her youth than ever for me. She was also more consistent about personal care and patient for results, which win her compliments and praise even today (in her late 40s, after 3 kids). So, these do work over time, for some people.

What really keeps you looking naturally fantabulous is being young at heart (way corny, but you sso know it's sso true).

Anna, after realizing from the comments that you may not be in your mid-20s, I feel I've aged another 23 yrs thanks to pure shock!

Keep smiling, kids :)

22 · DesiDancer on May 24, 2006 3:23 PM · Direct link

CAD- Dermatologist,

I use this skin-care line, which is based on olive oil and olive leaf extracts. ANNA can vouch for me, it has fabulous effects, as I'm often mistaken for being 12 years younger than I am. If you sign up for their catalog, they send you lots of samples, starting off with 4 samples of the olive oil set.

Fair & Lovely DD

23 · Janeofalltrades on May 24, 2006 3:29 PM · Direct link

Homemade recipes bring back memories of being scrubbed with a concoction of besan, honey, haldi, almond and cream by my grandma who wished out aloud that I would turn into a fair skinned light eyed lass, disregarding the obvious. It was so I would land me a good "engineer boy".

On a realistic note I'm a big fan of that scrub (minus haldi) for it's skin moisturizing and dead skin removal value and I use it all over not just my face. Making me fair? Nah why the hell would I want that. My mom nearly fell down when she found out I use the new Body Glow lotions that darken your skin.

24 · Dr. CAD on May 24, 2006 4:03 PM · Direct link

I guess I wasn't the only one who was subjected to home recipes-- besam flour mixed with milk, a pinch of haldi and a drop of lemon juice; Sunday hair massages with coconut tel; vinegar as a final rinse for hair to remove shampoo residue; mehndi for hair; egg facial masks; glycerin applied on dry skin; banana, avocado, and honey facial packs; horse chestnut flour mixed with yogurt as a facial exfoliant (lovely smell, this one); rose water as toner; cloves boiled in water and then using the infusion as a final rinse...the list goes on and on.

Re: skin exfoliation, I hope all SM'ers use a washcloth with soap everyday in their shower. I was on raised on washcloths, and if I don't use one, I feel very dirty. I know many people who use soap sans washcloth, and frankly, that is absolutely chhi.

A gem of wisdom: my Ayurveda guru has wisely remarked: "If you can't eat it, it shouldn't go on your skin". Bhery bhery true.

Yours sincerely,
Jai, 32 and still foxy.

Yours sincerely,

Dr. Cheap Ass Desi, 27, still foxy and lovely as hell

25 · blueblood on May 24, 2006 4:19 PM · Direct link

DesiDancer on May 24, 2006 03:23 PM · Direct link CAD- Dermatologist,
I use this skin-care line, which is based on olive oil and olive leaf extracts.

I'd like to try this but do you know if it's they test on animals?

26 · Dr. CAD on May 24, 2006 4:22 PM · Direct link

SM'ers:

Because I love you all, and I want you all attain healthy, glowing skin and preserve your beauty, I am willing to give consultations to those SM'ers who have any questions or concerns about skin problems*. This is in the name of selfless service to SM.

My qualifications: I am very well trained in Ayurveda and Arab beauty treatments, all with the aid of kitchen ingredients.

As of now, I am accepting submissions. Please address inquiries to "Dr. CAD" and state your symptoms and problems.

*Emergency consultations for beauty treatments to be enacted on the day of your shaadi entails a small fee.

27 · Dr. CAD on May 24, 2006 4:31 PM · Direct link

blueblood:

I'd like to try this but do you know if it's they test on animals?

Forget "skin-care lines", yaar. All of those things (especially commercially produced) contain massive chemicals and preservatives. If you want to use something based on olive oil, why not just use cold-pressed pure, 100% olive oil?

I've tried using olive oil as a moisterizer. After your bath, while your skin is damp, put about 2 drops of olive oil on your palm and massage it into your face. It really does decongest your face; and after I've told my girlfriends to use it on their faces, they've remarked how their acne scars have faded. In the beginning, the olive oil will make your face break out big time, but persevere: do not terminate the treatment. Your skin is going through de-toxification, and after a week, your skin will be beautiful. Trust me. Straight Olive Oil as a daily skin care regime is awesome.

For those of you who are worried about the myriad of chemicals in soaps, buy the Soap of Aleppo. This is the famous olive oil soap. The soap is the same that Arabs have been using for 2000+ years. Its ingredients are: olive oil, salt, sodium hydroxide, and bay leaf oil. It's so natural, that there are no other additives, including perfume. As such, the only downfall of this soap is that it stinks like shit. But it's 100% natural.

SM'ers:
If any of you want to know about soap and soap ingredients, do ask. I have been obsessed with soap for years, and hence, know quite a lot about soap.

--Dr. Cheap Ass Desi

28 · whoathere on May 24, 2006 4:43 PM · Direct link

"Oh my GOD - is this another A N N A-fishing-for-compliments thread? And all her sycophantic admirers following in tow with their "Oh no A N N A, you look 12!" and "You're goregous, Anna" sputterings?

You look your age ANNA - 34 or whatever you are. You're decent looking, but you're not a 20 something glamour gal. Sorry. Now go get married and stop posting pictures of yourself on the Internet.

-Malika Shakealot"

Whoa there girly! Don't start a catfight now! Simmer down....
Anyways, Dr. Cad, I 'm really interested in that soap you mentioned. Where do you buy it from?

29 · blueblood on May 24, 2006 4:45 PM · Direct link

Anyways, Dr. Cad, I 'm really interested in that soap you mentioned. Where do you buy it from?

Me too, although again, I'd want to know if it's tested on animals.

Thanks for the tip.

30 · dhaavak - i'm still standing on May 24, 2006 4:47 PM · Direct link

Sure cheap ass, maybe i shoud email you 'cos my bleary eyed crotchety ass need somebody to get me the answers to soap based solutions. tell me if you can build me an api to go against google (anyone, email me. $rupiarupia$)

to stay within topic, i'm a loofah man myself - and nothing eases the muscles better than a bath with epsom salts - never used any unguents girlfriend but i rather like the coarse bars with ground pumice or tea leaves in it.

31 · dhaavak on May 24, 2006 4:54 PM · Direct link

For those of you who are worried about the myriad of chemicals in soaps, buy the Soap of Aleppo. This is the famous olive oil soap.

wild oats in the US has it. weird odor. there is a very interesting kerala soap called chandrika - rather strong - i knew a colleague who used it - used to know he'd arrived when he stepped off the elevator - but the smell lingered through the day - shore did kill the BO - supposed to be ayurvedic or something

32 · A N N A on May 24, 2006 4:54 PM · Direct link

You look your age ANNA - 34 or whatever you are. You're decent looking, but you're not a 20 something glamour gal. Sorry. Now go get married and stop posting pictures of yourself on the Internet.

You can hate all you'd like, but if you're so sick of me, you're just shooting yourself in the nads with this shit. Comments like yours (and I'm including the trolltastic one you made to Taz a few weeks ago) are one of the reasons why it's not easy to recruit females to this blog (said one so memorably: "It would be an honor, but it's not worth it-- I don't need the scrutiny or the abuse").

But hey, you probably feel better for trolling and that's all that matters, right?

33 · Dr. CAD on May 24, 2006 4:56 PM · Direct link

Whoathere:

Anyways, Dr. Cad, I 'm really interested in that soap you mentioned. Where do you buy it from?

Why, I'd be delighted to be of help, whoathere. You can order it off of the Internet; there are many websites that sell this soap. Some herbal shops may carry it. MAKE SURE IT IS THE ORIGINAL SOAP OF ALEPPO. There are lots of soaps out there purporting to be "olive oil soap" and these folks are just a bunch of imitators and posers, and their stuff is adulterated. Olive oil soap, the original one, is still made in exactly the same manner as 2000 years ago. One way to identify whether it's the real Soap of Aleppo is that it is a big, brown chunk of soap, with Arabic writing inscribed on the top of the soap (the writing is the name of the soap-maker).

34 · DesiDancer on May 24, 2006 5:06 PM · Direct link

For those who'd asked about DHC's olive oil set, I believe they do not test on animals.

CAD, it's not so much a "line" as it is a set of products with similar ingredients. It's not some hoity-toity shit, yo. And one of their products IS cold pressed extra virgin olive oil. Check out the link, it's not as fancy-pants-ladies-who-carry-dogs-in-their-purses as you may be assuming. I'm not that kind of girl.

35 · DesiDancer on May 24, 2006 5:07 PM · Direct link

DHC hearts animals.

36 · dhaavak on May 24, 2006 5:07 PM · Direct link

cheap ass post'eth

One way to identify whether it's the real Soap of Aleppo is that it is a big, brown chunk of soap

It's so natural, that there are no other additives, including perfume. As such, the only downfall of this soap is that it stinks like shit.

2+2=4;

:-)

37 · Dr. CAD on May 24, 2006 5:07 PM · Direct link

dhaavak:

wild oats in the US has it. weird odor. there is a very interesting kerala soap called chandrika - rather strong - i knew a colleague who used it - used to know he'd arrived when he stepped off the elevator - but the smell lingered through the day - shore did kill the BO - supposed to be ayurvedic or something

Yes, the Soap of Aleppo does smell strange, but that's because it's 100% and does not contain any perfume. But it does leave your skin really smooth and soft. It also doesn't dry out your skin at all. Bonus: in order to really maximize the effects of the Soap of Aleppo, if you use a washcloth everyday with it, it truly does make your skin glow.

Re: Chandrika ayurveda soap, discontinue using it. It is not too good for your skin, unless the climate that you are living in is very humid. But it's caustic soda content is extremely high, and if you're a girl, it searingly burns "down there" when you wash yourself. This is not a good sign. Avoid "Lux" as well.

One very good Ayurvedic soap that is both gentle and good on your skin is "Medimix".

DO NOT use liquid soap. Despite its popularity, liquid soap is the most harmful substance for your skin, worse than bar soap. Also, do not pay heed to that marketing advice which argues "soap shouldn't leave your skin 'squeaky clean'"; this is all commercial propaganda. In fact, if your skin isn't "squeaky clean", chances are that the soap is leaving a residue on your skin, thereby irritating and drying out your skin, as well as clogging your pores.

--Dr. Cheap Ass Desi

38 · blueblood on May 24, 2006 5:09 PM · Direct link

35 · DesiDancer on May 24, 2006 05:07 PM · Direct link DHC hearts animals.

Oh thank you, thank you! :)

39 · dhaavak on May 24, 2006 5:12 PM · Direct link

Re: Chandrika ayurveda soap, discontinue using it. It is not too good for your skin, unless the climate that you are living in is very humid. But it's caustic soda content is extremely high, and if you're a girl, it searingly burns "down there" when you wash yourself. This is not a good sign. Avoid "Lux" as well.

i'm SO there with you girlfriend.

40 · Dr. CAD on May 24, 2006 5:15 PM · Direct link

DesiDancer:

CAD, it's not so much a "line" as it is a set of products with similar ingredients. It's not some hoity-toity shit, yo. And one of their products IS cold pressed extra virgin olive oil. Check out the link, it's not as fancy-pants-ladies-who-carry-dogs-in-their-purses as you may be assuming. I'm not that kind of girl.

Jesus Christ, chill out, I wasn't implying that at all. You misinterpreted my comment. When I say "skin-care line", I meant all mass and/or commercially produced products, including "Dove" which is cheap as hell. And I had check out the link before I wrote my comment; nonetheless, and I remain faithful to the olive oil that I cook with.

--Dr. Cheap Ass Desi

41 · Communis Rixatrix on May 24, 2006 5:17 PM · Direct link

Before CAD MD gets further carried away with her recommendations, are there any qualified dermatologists who care to offer a second opinion? Impressionable minds await such obviously needed expertise.

42 · Dr. CAD correction on May 24, 2006 5:18 PM · Direct link

DesiDancer:

CAD, it's not so much a "line" as it is a set of products with similar ingredients. It's not some hoity-toity shit, yo. And one of their products IS cold pressed extra virgin olive oil. Check out the link, it's not as fancy-pants-ladies-who-carry-dogs-in-their-purses as you may be assuming. I'm not that kind of girl

Jesus Christ, chill out, I wasn't implying that you're "that kind of girl", whatever that means. You misinterpreted my comment. When I say "skin-care line", I meant all mass and/or commercially produced products, including "Dove" which is cheap as hell. And I had checked out the link before I wrote my comment; nonetheless, I remain faithful to the olive oil that I cook with.

--Dr. Cheap Ass Desi

43 · Cadbury on May 24, 2006 5:20 PM · Direct link

Jesus Christ, chill out, I wasn't implying that at all. You misinterpreted my comment. When I say "skin-care line", I meant all mass and/or commercially produced products, including "Dove" which is cheap as hell. And I had check out the link before I wrote my comment; nonetheless, and I remain faithful to the olive oil that I cook with.

Nice ineffective backpedaling, there.

44 · anandos, feeling pretty on May 24, 2006 5:23 PM · Direct link

"Besan (gram flour) and haldi (turmeric) was her favorite exfoliant."

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not chanakatah!

ay yi yi, my grandmother is coming back to haunt me - in the person of cute desis my age!

on the other hand, it does make for GREAT skin. My sister looks like she's eighteen still, and we're both approaching thirty at all-too-rapid a rate.

"trolltastic?" Nice, Anna, who looks younger than I. I'd like to hate, but my wrinkles prevent.

45 · Dr. CAD on May 24, 2006 5:26 PM · Direct link

Cadbury:

Nice ineffective backpedaling, there.

My response that DesiDancer took issue with was:

Forget "skin-care lines", yaar. All of those things (especially commercially produced) contain massive chemicals and preservatives. If you want to use something based on olive oil, why not just use cold-pressed pure, 100% olive oil?

I really, really don't see where in my responses I was implying the things that have been misconstrued, and how I've "backpedaled ineffectively".

Looks like today's a full-moon... so many catty comments on SM today! MEOW!!

46 · Cadbury on May 24, 2006 5:31 PM · Direct link

Looks like today's a full-moon... so many catty comments on SM today! MEOW!!

Either that or your incessant, potentially inaccurate proclamations bring out the feline in people.

47 · AC on May 24, 2006 5:32 PM · Direct link

don't even get me started on that one summer the family decided to do away with Colgate and adopt neem powder as our periodontal panacea.

"mom, no no, it's FINE! sure, its not AS sugary and tasty as what we used to use, but scrubbing bitter tumbleweed powder across my mouth sure feels right!"

blech

48 · Cheap Ass Desi on May 24, 2006 5:36 PM · Direct link

Cadbury:

Either that or your incessant, potentially inaccurate proclamations bring out the feline in people.

"Catty comments" include not only your comment towards me, but also the comments on Anna that have been written here, as well as the other ones under "Why We Blog".

If you don't like my comments, why not just ignore them? And excuse, where are my proclamations on soap "potentially inaccurate"? It's not like I'm telling people, "Hey, if you want to have fuller and bigger lips, inject yourself with a motor cleaner, bought from the hardware store".

49 · Cadbury on May 24, 2006 5:46 PM · Direct link

If you don't like my comments, why not just ignore them?

A) because they're annoying. I would've reacted exactly as DesiDancer did to your dismissive words.
B) because you're passing yourself off as some soap expert, when really, the only thing we can be sure of is tht you are a huge proponent of washcloths.

50 · rhino ass dhaavak on May 24, 2006 5:53 PM · Direct link

he only thing we can be sure of is tht you are a huge proponent of washcloths.

speaking of huge washcloth proponents, i have aged gentleman at my pool, whose skin doesnt seem ot have held up too well, but he gives himself the complete treatment in the showers - not that i watch - but it's quite fascinating, watching him go through his folds - like giving an elephant a massage - merry little fellow too - he's worn black socks into the showers a couple of times - as little mis jones said, i dont know why , but maybe to wash them - but when the guy gets going and the suds are flying - the man is on a mission - in the zone - and i try to get out of the showers before he gets in, or atleast before he leans over to pick up his soap - lovely fellow - i yak with him sometimes - speaking of yaks - i got to go run - ok tata

51 · blueblood on May 24, 2006 5:54 PM · Direct link

Does anyone know what exactly turmeric does for the skin? I know the flour would have an exfoliating effect.

52 · Cheap Ass Desi on May 24, 2006 5:56 PM · Direct link

Cadbury:

A) because they're annoying. I would've reacted exactly as DesiDancer did to your dismissive words.

Are you the moderator? If not, then it's too bad you feel this way. Unless an SM blogger tells me to lay off making comments, then unfortunately, I will continue to post comments. Re: my "dismissive words", am I required to write a PH.D dissertation as a response? I wrote what I think about many of the skin-care product lines out there and wanted to get on the topic of that olive oil regime that I've heard about.

B) because you're passing yourself off as some soap expert, when really, the only thing we can be sure of is tht you are a huge proponent of washcloths.

How am I passing myself off as "some soap expert"? I really have been obsessed with soaps and thus researched it a lot. The studies and information that I've come across could potentially be inaccurate, no doubt. A question: why are you taking this so seriously? I haven't been giving out "expert advice" on DYI abortions with hangers, or home remedies to cure cancer. Now that's serious and potentially hazardous.

Re: me being a huge proponent of washcloths, there is much truth to that ;)

53 · CAD on May 24, 2006 5:58 PM · Direct link

blueblood:

Does anyone know what exactly turmeric does for the skin? I know the flour would have an exfoliating effect.

It's supposed to have disinfectant and astringent properties.

54 · Cadbury on May 24, 2006 6:00 PM · Direct link

Unless an SM blogger tells me to lay off making comments, then unfortunately, I will continue to post comments.

No SM blogger is going to tell you to be quiet, unless you troll. They're too nice for that. Guess you're safe.

55 · CAD on May 24, 2006 6:04 PM · Direct link

Cadbury:

No SM blogger is going to tell you to be quiet, unless you troll. They're too nice for that. Guess you're safe.

Let's hope you're not bordering on being a "troll".

56 · Cadbury on May 24, 2006 6:09 PM · Direct link

Two can play at this game: perhaps you have forgotten THIS significant portion of the commenting policy for this blog?

long, obscure rants may be deleted.

Lucky for you that they don't count your impressive output of daily hourly comments as one very long, obscure rant.

57 · CAD on May 24, 2006 6:18 PM · Direct link

Two can play at this game: perhaps you have forgotten THIS significant portion of the commenting policy for this blog? long, obscure rants may be deleted. Lucky for you that they don't count your impressive output of daily hourly comments as one very long, obscure rant.

Maybe you've forgotten this portion as well:

personal, non-issue-focused flames may be deleted:

"Two can play this game", but after this last comment of mine addressed to you, you'll be the only one playing this game.

58 · A N N A on May 24, 2006 6:22 PM · Direct link

I use this skin-care line, which is based on olive oil and olive leaf extracts. ANNA can vouch for me, it has fabulous effects, as I'm often mistaken for being 12 years younger than I am.

Vouch I can and will. Our DD is gooooorgeous. I'm a neutrogena girl all the vay, but I've always been curious about DHC, if it's the same as the brand I'm thinking of (Japanese?). Then again, what do I know? I thought squeaking skin was bad, since it inevitably meant dry itchiness once I was out of the shower.

59 · Ms Fink Nottle on May 24, 2006 6:24 PM · Direct link

A question: how do you 'wash' your face with extra virgin olive oil? Slather it on and then rinse/wipe off? I'm going to try...sounds good for dry skin.

Apparently some ancient Romans used to bathe by rubbing oil on their skin and then removing it with a (non sharp) knife like thing.

As for all that about "MEOW" and Either that or your incessant, potentially inaccurate proclamations bring out the feline in people.
Hey, what's with all the kitty-stereotyping, guys! :)

Your anti-specieisism animal lover friend

60 · CAD on May 24, 2006 6:47 PM · Direct link

Anna:

I thought squeaking skin was bad, since it inevitably meant dry itchiness once I was out of the shower.

Yes, "squeaking clean" skin out of the shower does entail dry skin, but some dermatologists have said that it's better to be squeaking clean plus moisterizer. Non-squeaky clean feeling might be attributed to the fact that some soap residue has been left on the skin. Try this: if you are using liquid soap, after your final rinse, take your arm and rub it on the other arm while wet... The suds never go away (at least on me)!!

Ms. Fink Nottle:

A question: how do you 'wash' your face with extra virgin olive oil? Slather it on and then rinse/wipe off? I'm going to try...sounds good for dry skin.

The way I understand it is that you put on some olive oil, and with a warm and wet terrycloth washcloth, you're supposed to wipe away the oil, and repeat the process until all of the dirt and/or make up comes off.

Apparently some ancient Romans used to bathe by rubbing oil on their skin and then removing it with a (non sharp) knife like thing.

They also used sand and olive oil. Both the sand and knife methods seem like some pretty gnarly methods, though.

61 · DesiDancer on May 24, 2006 7:05 PM · Direct link

CAD, I have no beef with you, yaar. If my sense of humor is misunderstood, it was surely not my intention to offend nor to imply that I had taken offense at your comment. I was clearing the name of my fabulous DHC loot by saying it's not like Dove or Clinique or Mainstay Lauder. And I was cosigning on your recommendation for 100% cold pressed virgin olive oil. If you (or anyone curious) are unfamiliar with the company, I suggested a glance at the link.

Trolls always like to instigate a cat-fight. So sad. I'm glad neither of us bought into it :)

62 · blueblood on May 24, 2006 7:10 PM · Direct link

I was skeptical about using oil to wash my face. I didn't see how that could possibly work, but now I'm thinking... I wonder if it works the same way that you use oil (or lotion) to remove the wax that's left over after waxing? It might be good on clogged pores, which are usually clogged with a waxy substance. What do you think?

63 · Cheap Ass Desi on May 24, 2006 7:33 PM · Direct link

DesiDancer:

CAD, I have no beef with you, yaar. Trolls always like to instigate a cat-fight. So sad. I'm glad neither of us bought into it :)

I have no beef with you either! Anyway, I can't have beef with you because you've allowed me to be the Sec. of Treasury :) Now, seeing that Anna has seconded your assertion, maybe I will try out DHC.

blueblood.

I was skeptical about using oil to wash my face. I didn't see how that could possibly work, but now I'm thinking... I wonder if it works the same way that you use oil (or lotion) to remove the wax that's left over after waxing? It might be good on clogged pores, which are usually clogged with a waxy substance. What do you think?

Yeah, me and anyone else that has heard of this has been very skeptical: "How can oil be a cleanser"? But I tried it, and I suggested it to my friend who has severe acne problems and has tried every product and medication out there on the market to treat it. So when I told her, she was really hesitant, but decided to give it a shot. The first week, she broke out like crazy,but she persisted. Afterwards, though, not only did her acne clear up, but her pores were cleaned out and her acne scars started fading, just like how others had testified. So apparently, it works really well. Here is one of the many links on this.

Not any oil is good, though. Mineral oil, hydrogenated castor and vegetable oil, sunflower oil are no no's. Olive oil and coconut oil are said to be very beneficial for skin. So is soybean oil (but I nor anyone else that I know has tried it).

64 · CAD on May 24, 2006 7:35 PM · Direct link

Oh, and I forgot: almond oil is supposed to be really good for dry skin. Not on the face, though. Usually olive oil is considered the best for the face.

65 · Janeofalltrades on May 24, 2006 8:00 PM · Direct link

Oh all these homemade remedy lovers :-) I have a few myself. I love my luxury products and they do well by me. We live in an environment that requires some non natural help. SPF for example is simply not available in the natural world. Short of wearing a wide brim hat and/or never going out in the sun one needs practical solutions to take care of and shield the skin from harm. I'm a huge fan of Kiehls and Biotherm skincare and those incredible oil/sugar scrubs from Bath and Body Works to be used in the shower. And I don't need 40 things. Body wash, lotion, face moisturizer for day and night, face wash, scrub & toner. (Makeup doesn't count :-) because I'm addicted to it and make a living from it)

66 · DesiDancer on May 24, 2006 8:23 PM · Direct link

go on JoAT! :)

67 · CAD on May 24, 2006 8:39 PM · Direct link

blueblood:

I wonder if it works the same way that you use oil (or lotion) to remove the wax that's left over after waxing? It might be good on clogged pores, which are usually clogged with a waxy substance. What do you think?

Hmmm... that's an interesting take and analogy. I believe this is the way it works:

Olive oil has anti-oxident properties. While anti-oxident properties help combat wrinkles, not sure how this fact plays into declogging pores, but apparently it first breaks up the waxy substance in your pores. Secondly, it then stabilizes the oil content on your skin, thereby not forcing your oil glands to over-reproduce sebum to compensate for the dryness. Recall that clogged pores are often the result of an overproduction of sebum. Once the level of sebum reaches a homeostasis, there is less sebum that may eventually mix with other debris such as dead skin cells and other scum and then harden into clogged pores. Furthermore, olive oil keeps your pores open and discourages dead skin cells from congealing. I think the whole process is speeded up with the use of a washcloth. And anyway, using a washcloth everyday removes dead skin cells so that they don't accumulate and prevent your skin from "breathing".

Many of my female Turkish and Arab friends who have taken grandma's advice and use only olive oil on their face in lieu of soap have lovely skin: clear, glowing, healthy, firm skin with hardly any wrinkles.

The longer a soap ages, the better its cleansing properties. This is particularly true of olive oil soaps. So if you buy a couple, leave it for a while in a dark place (cabinet, whatever).

Did you all know that back in the Desh, before the arrival of soap, people used besan flour? Though soap had been created by the Arabs and shortly thereafter by the Greeks more than 2000 years ago, Desis started using it following relatively late and used besan instead. People must've stunk though. I've noticed that after using besan flour, my skin has an unpleasant odor: I guess the skin absorbs the lactic acid and yeast properties from milk, and coupled with besan, creates one mean combo.

68 · Sapna on May 24, 2006 10:01 PM · Direct link

Dear Desidancer,

Do you know if the line that you use would be good for darker Indian skin- that is prone to scarring? I have a darker complexion and get a lot of scars whenever I have a breakout and am looking for a product that is gentle on my skin and will help lighten the dark scars.

Also, does anyone know how to use Rosewater on your face? I hear that it is a good astringent . . . Is this true?

Thanks;)

69 · Janeofalltrades on May 24, 2006 10:16 PM · Direct link

Sapna,
If you have sensitive skin Witch Hazel is also a very good astringent. Do you have thin skin hence the scarring? You aren't poking at your breakouts are you? Prescribed Retin-A type spot treatments would help you as well if the breakouts are occassional and small. It resurfaces your skin in three days.

70 · A N N A on May 24, 2006 10:18 PM · Direct link

Sapna,

I have medium-to-tan skin and I had horrific chicken pox scars (okay, fine. I had five. But they annoyed me.) plus a few other scars from...memorable events which all magically disappeared via a combination of alpha-hydroxy acid at night (in my case, clinique's turnaround cream) and here's what I swear keeps my skin working-- Neutrogena Healthy Skin Anti-Wrinkle Cream with SPF 15 for daytime. It's whichever product that wins the Allure "Best of/Editor's Choice" award every year, you should see a little logo bragging so on the box. I notice a difference whenever I stop using it and I like it because it doesn't irk my sensitive skin. I've used it for a few years, way more regularly than the Clinique, which is why I attribute all goodness that-a-way and not to the infrequent applications of fruit acid-infused department store goo.

See if you find yourself similarly scar-free. :) Oh, and exfoliating often (even with a cheap ass scrub like St. Ive's) doesn't hurt either. ;)

P.S. Fair-skinned brown girls get scars from acne et al, too. Not just wheatish or oatish or brannish ones like us.

71 · A N N A on May 24, 2006 10:21 PM · Direct link

Retin A type spot treatments would help you as well if the breakouts are occassional and small. It resurfaces your skin in three days.

That's what's in my Neutrogena. :)

72 · Janeofalltrades on May 24, 2006 10:27 PM · Direct link

See Anna I'm afraid to pimp L'Oreal brands because it sounds so unethical but between Lancome, L'Oreal, Kiehls and Biotherm there really is a fantastic range of products available for all kinds of skin and hair to make a nice brown girl almost perfect :-)

73 · A N N A on May 24, 2006 10:40 PM · Direct link

JoAT, L'oreal owns me. For no good reason other than the prowess of your marketing dept, I buy something weekly; most recently, I was consumed with buying that limited edition bronze/gold highlighter pencil thing that Noemie rocks, b/c I saw it somewhere, made a mental note that I kinda liked it and then, when I didn't see it the next four times I went shopping, I got sad. At a random CVS, they had one left yesterday. It's mine. Even without it, I would have had the most egregious collection of eye and lip crap all courtesy of the biggety-biggety L. I even find myself buying nail polish once a month or so, which is ridonkulous considering:

1) I haven't done my own nails in YEARS.
2) When I actually have both the time and $$$ to go to a salon, I use whatever OPI or essie they have there, never toting my own L'oreal.

You'll love this. Inadvertently, I'm suddenly testing out L'oreal face care b/c I went on a binge this week in one of my blondest moments EVER.

When I was in college, my DG little worked for Clinique; she told me that the men's moisturizer was nothing but their legendary DDML in a different, more depressing package. Over the years, I found similar examples of identical skin crap getting repackaged for guys, usually in grey bottles, so I was wise to this scam and didn't care which gender's goop I bought, as long as it was on sale in the Target weekly, because like our Sonia, I cannot resist the Tarzhay. Or any decent drug store, really.

So, a few days ago, I thought I was being sooo smart because after comparing active ingredients with my aforementioned "healthy skin" cream, I bought all this new men's stuff which was on sale. I was so out of it from sleep-deprivation and stress that I actually thought I was buying something new from NEUTROGENA, which is why I didn't hesitate to grab every product but one from the line. It was only the next day that I noticed that I had finally, accidentally embraced skincare from my fave purveyor of cosmetics. Ask me what my face feels like in a few weeks, we'll see if I regret being so dermo-adventurous. ;)

74 · bengali on May 24, 2006 11:30 PM · Direct link

Have you guys heard http://www.makeupalley.com? It is excellent for getting user reviews on products (before you part with your money). The Queene Helene Mint Julep Masque is very popular on that forum, but alas we don't get it here in Oz :(

My GP recommended Cetaphil (which, upon inspection seems to be included in the Allure top 25) for me when I had this weird outbreak last summer and it did wonders for my combination (oily T zone, rest dry) skin.

75 · Krazy Ass Desi on May 25, 2006 1:17 AM · Direct link

Huge Proponents of Washcloths will be a great name for my future band.

76 · A N N A on May 25, 2006 1:19 AM · Direct link

That Queen Helene stuff is drugstore-legendary like Great Lash mascara. (I've never really used either.) I'm totally going to think of you the next time I see the former on the bottom shelf at CVS/Walgreens/RiteAid, btw. ;) And then I'll be tempted to send you some.

I've heard nothing but raves about Cetaphil...oh, and speaking of down under, the shower gel I'm currently hoarding is from there. Star and rose, I think? It smells like mango. Yum.

77 · soapchick on May 25, 2006 1:22 AM · Direct link

Hey Dr. CAD,

A fellow soap enthusiast here looking for opinions. What do you think of Dr.Bronner's soap? I've been using that for a while, but while it hasn't made my skin worse, I don't see any improvements either. Any other natural brands you could recommend? Because I can't seem to find a US based distributor for that Aleppo soap you mentioned.

78 · CAD on May 25, 2006 1:38 AM · Direct link

soapchick:

Hey Dr. CAD,A fellow soap enthusiast here looking for opinions. What do you think of Dr.Bronner's soap? I've been using that for a while, but while it hasn't made my skin worse, I don't see any improvements either. Any other natural brands you could recommend? Because I can't seem to find a US based distributor for that Aleppo soap you mentioned.

Let me get back to you on the Dr. Bronner soap, I have to check out the ingredients!

Re: the soap of Aleppo-- yes, the distribution in the US is scarce. But you can easily buy it off of Amazon and E-Bay.

(P.S. if you're worried about soapmakers in Aleppo being exploited and taken advantage of, I suggest you do a little background check to make sure that they are being fairly paid for their labor).

--Cheap Ass Desi

79 · auntie kavita on May 25, 2006 1:54 AM · Direct link

Being just that side of 30, I've started to pay more attention to this sort of thang. So here goes, Auntie Kavita's au natural face care regimen...

GREEN TEA - I have nothing to back this up, but it's become a habit of mine to set aside one tablespoon of the green tea (the actual liquid, not the leaves) that I make each morning and then apply it to my visage with a cotton ball. I allow it to air dry and do a little dance to the anti-oxidant powers that be. It seems to help with undereye puffiness. And I came out of the womb with undereye puffiness.

HEAD STANDS and SHOULDER STANDS - I never, never thought I'd be able to do a head stand, but thanks to a great yoga teacher, I discovered that it's not really about standing on the head, as the name would imply. Rather, it's all about shoulder strength and balancing one's weight on one's elbows. Anyhow, I swear to you that when I do head stands and shoulder stands on a regular basis, my face looks different, definitely younger. Maybe it's just the temporary rush of blood to the head, but it's an uber post-workout glow, and if you believe all the yoginis and yogis out there, supposedly there are many physiological benefits to these poses. In which case, I'd like to believe that skin (being the largest organ and all) derives some of those benefits. This same yoga teacher - who has truly luminous skin - was great about explaining how various poses trigger different gland (thyroid, adrenal, etc.). If there's an endocrinologist out there who cares to comment in this regard, I'd love to hear it.

KIEHL'S PINEAPPLE PAPAYA SCRUB - I am addicted, though I would love to be able to concoct it at home rather than shelling out $27 for a bottle of it. But I like that the packaging is minimal and that they don't do much in terms of advertising. And for those to whom it matters, they don't test on animals.
~
Ah Sassy! That amalgam of sagacity-audacity-wit-angst is so rare on the magazine rack. Though I think maybe Bust is the grown up version of it.

(CAD - come what may, I am going to try this olive oil thing!)
~
All for now, ladies. But this was so much more fun than the work I should be doing right now...

80 · Cheap Ass Desi on May 25, 2006 1:54 AM · Direct link

Soapchick:

Are you using the bar soap or liquid one?

81 · Cheap Ass Desi on May 25, 2006 2:00 AM · Direct link

Auntie Kavita:

Re: head standing, this is what my mother used to do when I was a mere kitten: she used to take a pillow and place it against the wall, and then she used to do a head stand whereby her body was aligned on the wall. After 3-4 minutes, she'd come back down and rip the longest fart ever. Then she'd laugh. Apparently, head stands deflate you of gas.

Should come in pretty handy before a big night out, so that you don't spend the evening in a nice, elegant restaurant with friends and cutting the cheese all the while.

82 · soapchick on May 25, 2006 2:07 AM · Direct link

I use both, although currently the liquid one....

83 · Cheap Ass Desi on May 25, 2006 2:21 AM · Direct link

soapchick:

I use both, although currently the liquid one....

Out of all the different soaps that I've bought and wasted money on, amazingly, Dr. Bronner is the ONLY soap that I haven't tried (I am truly, really obessed with soap. I buy a different kind every other day.) So I cannot give you feedback based on personal experience, but I've informed myself of the ingredients of both the liquid soap and bar soap.

Seeing that I view liquid soap as evil and have a general rule against it, I'm suprised and pleased to say that Dr. Bronner's liquid soap doesn't seem so bad. So:

Bar soap: OK
Liquid soap: suprisingly, OK

84 · Number Six on May 25, 2006 2:53 AM · Direct link

Before CAD MD gets further carried away with her recommendations, are there any qualified dermatologists who care to offer a second opinion? Impressionable minds await such obviously needed expertise.

I agree, Communis Rixatrix -- any doctors in the house? DD, where's your surgeon general when we need her?

(And on that note, Anna, my dermatologist told me just a couple of months ago that the "retinol" in the Neutrogena is not quite the same thing as the prescription-strength "Retin A" -- he made me drop the Neutrogena and go with the stronger stuff. But I'm not a dermatologist, I'm just a Cylon who's irrationally self-conscious about skin care. And obviously, if the Neutrogena works for you, then who cares.)

85 · Sapna on May 25, 2006 3:13 AM · Direct link

Anna and Jane of all Trades,

Thanks for the info. I am going to try what you recommended, and hopefully, it will help.

This was a nice and informative post Anna. I think it is hard to find good info for desi skin care, and it was nice to see the different methods that people use to keep their skin looking good.

86 · Saheli on May 25, 2006 3:16 AM · Direct link

this thread is totally freakin me out. i need to quit blogging and go buy me a dermatologist.

honey on my skin sounds rather. . .not fun.

btw anna, some of us lowly 20-something knew and loved Sassy. :-p I always read above my age-level.;-)

one of the few highlights of my last trip to india was stocking up on skincare products. they smell so nice! despite her travails, my mom brought me even more. i still like my standby of vicco turmeric cream. mmm. . .sandal.

the latest issue of shape magazine has a decent spread on skincare and skin cancer. it's more of a concern to the desi community if you might think--especially if you ever get sick and get prescribed cipro. that and other drugs can lower your tolerance to sun, and you can burn without even realizing it until much later, even later than someone else who's felt a burn before would realize it. bad stuff.

87 · kavita on May 25, 2006 3:18 AM · Direct link

CAD, that farting thing is both hilarious and a little horrifying! I suspect it might be incentive for the gaseously inclined to take up head stands. If it's a deterent to others, I should note that I haven't experienced any untoward gastrointestinal repercussions as a result of head standing.

On another note, a cinematographer friend of mine who once worked on an Aishwarya Rai filim tells me that TMBWITW's skin is absolutely incandescent in an unearthly sort of way, as though her skin itself gives off light. I'm sure most of it is just good genes, but I wonder what else she gets it from. Or maybe the unconfirmed reports are true and Aish really is an alien.

88 · bengali on May 25, 2006 3:18 AM · Direct link

I'm totally going to think of you the next time I see the former on the bottom shelf at CVS/Walgreens/RiteAid, btw. ;) And then I'll be tempted to send you some.

Awww it's the thought that counts :)

Dr CAD, maybe you ought to prescribe sleep and water along with your olive oil concoction.

89 · Number Six on May 25, 2006 3:32 AM · Direct link

Or maybe the unconfirmed reports are true and Aish really is an alien.

Maybe an alien, but not a Cylon -- she doesn't seem the type, and I don't remember seeing her at any of the Cylon parties.

90 · CAD on May 25, 2006 5:05 AM · Direct link

Kavita:

Or maybe the unconfirmed reports are true and Aish really is an alien.

Or maybe she can afford to spend major dough to get laser treatments, personalized skin care, micro abrasion...

91 · mastervk on May 25, 2006 5:23 AM · Direct link

Or maybe the unconfirmed reports are true and Aish really is an alien.

she is photo candescent . may be she is using some isotope of radium mixed with skin care products or maybe it was his illusion

92 · Janeofalltrades on May 25, 2006 9:25 AM · Direct link

When I was in college, my DG little worked for Clinique; she told me that the men's moisturizer was nothing but their legendary DDML in a different, more depressing package.

OK be very careful about cross gender products Anna because there are a ton of ingredients that aren't listed and the measures of the ingredients are different for male skin and female skin. However if you know two brands owned by the same company like Maybelline & L'Oreal or Covergirl & Max Factor chances are strong that similar items are exactly the same to the T. For example L'Oreal's Jet Set Nail is the same formula as Maybelline's Express Finish.

That Queen Helene stuff is drugstore-legendary like Great Lash mascara. (I've never really used either.)

Queen Helene is great for extremely damaged kinky hair. You have fantastic hair that just requires maintenance not repair. That's not a brand for you. I'll be happy to send you over a GL 35th anniversary giftpack however it's not one of my favorite franchise. Pays our electric bill, and is the most solid but pound per pound I have other favorites. Volum' Express is good for vavavoom eyes and I like the new Lash Stylist a lot. Be happy to send either or all :-)

And on that note, Anna, my dermatologist told me just a couple of months ago that the "retinol" in the Neutrogena is not quite the same thing as the prescription-strength "Retin A" -- he made me drop the Neutrogena and go with the stronger stuff.

That is correct. Pure Retin-A is powerful and can aggravate your skin if not used well and it really is for someone with severe acne. In small doses on a daily basis it does have great skin resurfacing qualities.

Whatever you do ladies do not buy any of the Salon brands at drugstores. A big no no.

93 · Anu on May 25, 2006 9:50 AM · Direct link

I have used tomatos or cucumber as a toner before. Cucumber is good for removing blackheads and whiteheads.

*** Whatever you do ladies do not buy any of the Salon brands at drugstores. A big no no.

Why is that?

94 · Janeofalltrades on May 25, 2006 10:58 AM · Direct link

Anu,

Cucumber is also fantastic to relax and refresh your eyes. A half hour with a slice of cucumber on each lid and a little bit of shuteye can do wonders.

Only salons are licensed to sell salon brands. When they show up in Duane Reade or Walgreens or other drugstores or even Costco or Sams Club they are diverted from outside of the country, with no guarantees of authenticity and I have seen 4 - 5 year old product out there based on my batch #'s. After product has been sitting out on the shelf for a long time it loses it's effectiveness, especially hair color related products and even skincare.

95 · DesiDancer on May 25, 2006 11:26 AM · Direct link

Sapna, I have never used the "brightening" products by DHC, which are probably more accelerated fading than the normal products, but I am also prone to spots and blemishing after breaking out, and aside from one monstrous pakora (which is fading) I think the basic wash-tone-moisturize-olive oil bit works out well.

Like ANNA said, unfortunately all shades of brown get spots and marks and blemishes.

If you're in NYC, I have a fabulous desi dermatologist who specializes in non-marking treatments for ethnic skin.

96 · Anu on May 25, 2006 1:44 PM · Direct link

JaneofAllTrades,

Thanks.

97 · A N N A on May 25, 2006 1:56 PM · Direct link

Darling JoaT,

Barmaid and I are BOTH consumed with Lash Stylist. I'm on my second tube (and I just discovered it a few weeks ago). That comb is genius-- way better than the one on the Aish-scara, which would work like magic if it had similar. The micro-fine tip on the Line Stylist product is impressive, too. I think I bought every color except black (because I got Black Onyx...woooooo.)

I had never purchased Maybelline before this (with the exception of some Shine Free stuff back in the late '80s...remember that pale pink packaging? With the pretty ribbon imprint on the eye shadow?) and I certainly was not a fan of GL or any of their other mascaras, not when there's Longitude and Lash Architect and Volume Shocking AND my old stalwart, Lash Out. So bravo, Lash Stylist. That's good stuff.

98 · Janeofalltrades on May 25, 2006 2:42 PM · Direct link

ANNA,

Hahahaha I just sent your comment verbatim to the entire team. I'm tired of being the only proponent of this damn brand. I have so much faith in it. It just launch for Spring 2006 so it's fairly new out at retail.

Maybelline also has a dual ended mascara that is very popular called XXL and the Intense line launches in Spring 2007. However I'm not a big fan of dual ended mascaras. I don't like the apply one application then another. I like building my mascara with the same formula. The comb is very forgiving on the lashes and it's great separation.

By the way watch out for Garnier skincare to launch in Spring 2007. It's going to blow the socks off Oil of Olay, Neutrogena and everyone else out there. It's fantastic stuff and I've been using it the past few months. Really huge in Europe it's going to launch brand new in the US.

I know you are out here this coming weekend but I'm unfortunately out of town. Next time you are up here just holla at me and I'll hook you up. We have a company store right in the building with ALL the L'Oreal brands except Armani. If you are a cosmetics whore like me you have to try their makeup. It's only at Saks right now I think. You'll love it. Uber luxury.

99 · derick on May 25, 2006 3:37 PM · Direct link

I often use extract from cannabis...and then i don't worry about acne or skin problems anymore.

100 · Neha on May 25, 2006 4:32 PM · Direct link

JoaT and Anna, I love you guys like I love my Happyderm (it really does make my skin happy). So many tips! I'm terrible at finding good mascara, have no clue how to use those flat comb combs, and dual ends are too messy for my contacts. Now I know to head towards the Lash Stylist. Soooo, it's good to have your thoughts on the matter. I'm thinking...SM Beauty tab! For reviews and such. By 'such' I mean JoaT your samples could find themselves in, say, my pockets and my money could find itself in, say, your purse ;-)

101 · blueblood on May 25, 2006 4:38 PM · Direct link

I'm thinking...SM Beauty tab! For reviews and such

I was just thinking, at times I felt like I was on the Beauty forum on craigslist.

102 · Janeofalltrades on May 25, 2006 4:41 PM · Direct link

Neha no $$ needs to find it's way to my pockets and I'd grace you with some full size stuff not samples. Email me rupa@rupagawle.com and I'll hook you up.

Lash stylist is great, because it's a skinny comb and it extends and combs your lashes as it coats. Don't keep it more then 2 months though. Also if you wet your lashes slightly before you put on mascara, just wet your finger and run it on the inside of the lash, it will make your mascara glide on best. Especially if you wear shadow. This mascara is so fantastic no liner is needed. Liners are so harsh.

If you want to go a little more high end try Definicils or L'Extreme by Lancome. They are both fantastic.

103 · Anu on May 25, 2006 4:46 PM · Direct link

I am loving this post. Now i have great tips on Mascara and i will be waiting to try the Garnier Skin Car Line. I think we need SM Beauty TAB.

104 · Neha on May 25, 2006 4:52 PM · Direct link

I was just thinking, at times I felt like I was on the Beauty forum on craigslist.

blueblood, I haven't been. Is this a bad thing?

105 · blueblood on May 25, 2006 4:54 PM · Direct link

blueblood, I haven't been. Is this a bad thing?

No, not at all! I go there every now and then to talk about stuff like this. You haven't been on craigslist?

106 · Neha on May 25, 2006 5:08 PM · Direct link

Oh, blueblood, like thataway. Perhaps I'll check out the List, thanks!

JoaT, thanks for the offer and the excellent tips!

107 · Sapna on May 25, 2006 5:33 PM · Direct link

I am all for the beauty tab- this post has been really helpful!

Desidancer, thank you for the tip. Do you happen to know of any good dermatologists in san fran?

108 · A N N A on May 25, 2006 5:45 PM · Direct link

No, not at all! I go there every now and then to talk about stuff like this. You haven't been on craigslist?

I'm so glad it's changed, then. I was on it a few years ago and it was obnoxious, catty and rude. I think I left after some idiot declared that anyone who drove a Honda AND carried an LV bag was obviously rocking a fake, because if you had such a lowly car, you couldn't afford anything real. Because that pathetic makeup-bag on a small shoulder strap that every logo-whore had glued to her inner armpit was SO out of reach. Right. The flame war which followed...? Ooooh, chile...I ain't seen the like since. Drama? Check. Legitimate and credible beauty advice? None.

I like this thread b/c it's kinda fubu. Saheli's point about wearing sunscreen is well-taken since so many of the desi vomen I know insist that they don't need it. Beyond that, I've had the extreme privilege of meeting some of you, so if you say you wear X, I feel far more comfortable with buying it since you quite possibly look more like me than Adriana Lima or Laetitia Casta.

As for an entire "tab" for beauty, there's honestly no need. You can just go to the front page, to "Previous Posts" and select the "By Category" option. Choosing "Beauty" will show you this post...and nothing more, because I created that category for SM the day I wrote this. :D The point is, you can do that for "Fashion", "Meetups" etc.

109 · blueblood on May 25, 2006 5:55 PM · Direct link

I was on it a few years ago and it was obnoxious, catty and rude

Well, yes, it is all those things, too. But those people are usually considered trolls and there are plenty of others who are really helpful. It's just a matter of sifting through and ignoring the baiters.

110 · Nux2 on May 25, 2006 6:03 PM · Direct link

Okay seriously, how *awesome* is this post???? Thanks all for the fabulous mascara advice -- it is taking everything in me to not run out and find me some Lash Stylist right now!

Makeupalley does have some amazing product reviews, but as you say Anna, so nice to get advice from those who share my skintone issues!

Anyway, I do have to second the sunscreen advice, I spent four weeks developing this horrible sunburn on my lips, because this poor little brown girl had no idea what it was. So it is always lip stuff with broad spectrum SPF in it for me these days. MAC has a tinted lip conditioner stick with SPF that's pretty wonderful though limited edition for summer. Otherwise there's also the tinted lip balm from Neutrogena (also SPF 15, broad spectrum).

111 · A N N A on May 25, 2006 6:17 PM · Direct link

Well, yes, it is all those things, too. But those people are usually considered trolls and there are plenty of others who are really helpful. It's just a matter of sifting through and ignoring the baiters.

Yes, I understand that, I am familiar with the concept of trolls. My point is, I don't remember it being as uber-helpful and positive as this. I haven't needed to sift anything on this thread and there's a very logical reason for that. We work really hard to keep SM asshole-free and we are constantly banning and deleting to make sure this space stays just the way we all like it. If people have to sift, they eventually leave when that becomes onerous. I did. YMMV. It obviously does. :)

112 · blueblood on May 25, 2006 6:37 PM · Direct link

Yes, I understand that, I am familiar with the concept of trolls. My point is, I don't remember it being as uber-helpful and positive as this. I haven't needed to sift anything on this thread and there's a very logical reason for that. We work really hard to keep SM asshole-free and we are constantly banning and deleting to make sure this space stays just the way we all like it. If people have to sift, they eventually leave when that becomes onerous. I did. YMMV. It obviously does. :)

This site does get its share of catty comments, even this thread,

Oh my GOD - is this another A N N A-fishing-for-compliments thread?

and the Cadbury/CAD back-and-forth.

I have gotten plenty of really good, helpful advice on craigslist, on various forums, not just the Beauty forums. Even found my job there. So it is a really useful site. I've also had my share of arguments when I've felt ornery. It's a huge, public message-board so you're going to find all types.

Sorry, I don't know what "YMMV" means.

113 · Cheap Ass Desi on May 25, 2006 6:43 PM · Direct link

blueblood:

and the Cadbury/CAD back-and-forth.

Just for the record, it wasn't me being catty; I was defending myself against Cadbury who was being catty as hell.

114 · Anu on May 25, 2006 6:45 PM · Direct link

I have heard that SPF product is very harmful to the skin because it contains battery acid and other harmful chemical ingredients. I don't know if it's true or not. Any insights??

115 · blueblood on May 25, 2006 6:53 PM · Direct link

Just for the record, it wasn't me being catty; I was defending myself against Cadbury who was being catty as hell

Ha, sorry, I didn't mean to imply you were. :)

116 · A N N A on May 25, 2006 7:05 PM · Direct link

This site does get its share of catty comments, even this thread: Oh my GOD - is this another A N N A-fishing-for-compliments thread?

Sigh. I thought you might have noticed that we deleted and banned that comment. That's my point, again. We work hard to keep this a high-quality experience. Are we now going to be liable for things which no longer exist? Actually, I'm glad you didn't notice that we did got rid of it. It means we're effective and quick enough that most of you don't even need to be annoyed by flung monkey poo.

LOOK. I have no beef with you, nor any desire to keep explaining myself, especially when just like you, I love CL. I've found apartments and jobs on it and I think it's a fantastic resource. I just don't think the forums for things like beauty are AS useful as a thread like this because of the high troll to cool ratio. YMMV means "your mileage may vary". You're allowed to have your opinion based on your experiences and so am I. Peace.

117 · DesiDancer on May 25, 2006 7:18 PM · Direct link

ANNA being wegetarian has beef with nobody ;)

118 · blueblood on May 25, 2006 7:24 PM · Direct link

Sigh. I thought you might have noticed that we deleted and banned that comment.

Yes, of course I noticed. It wasn't there when I went to quote it.

LOOK. I have no beef with you, nor any desire to keep explaining myself, especially when just like you, I love CL. I've found apartments and jobs on it and I think it's a fantastic resource. I just don't think the forums for things like beauty are AS useful as a thread like this because of the high troll to cool ratio.

Dear God. I have no beef with you, either. If you think about how this discussion started, it's because I made a comment comparing parts of this thread to craigslist, and you seemed to take issue with that. I stand by what I said.

119 · XY on May 25, 2006 7:42 PM · Direct link

This is the femmest thread ever. I felt myself developing sensitivity and aesthetic abilities as I read. Had to dash off to Digg and read about Linux distros to stop it turning into testrogen ;)

120 · Cheap Ass Desi on May 25, 2006 7:53 PM · Direct link

blueblood:

Ha, sorry, I didn't mean to imply you were. :)

OK :)

121 · Neha on May 25, 2006 7:54 PM · Direct link

XY - Testrogen? Could you please bottle some of that? I'd like to add it to my daily olive oil exercise :-)

122 · Ms Fink Nottle on May 25, 2006 8:49 PM · Direct link

Dear Beautilicious friends,

Does anyone have any take on Shahnaz Hussain products? I've been using those faithfully for many years now, and think they've worked well for me. However, every now and then I hear scary rumours about how a lot of her things have (bad) chemicals and heavy metals...and that this is the reason she isn't big in the US. Any info on this?

A Gleaming Olive Oil Anoninted Fink Nottle

123 · Ms Fink Nottle on May 25, 2006 9:04 PM · Direct link

Soap input: in my quest for a chemical-free, non-animal testing soap, I stumbled upon Chagrin Valley soaps -- they are very good with all manner of veggie/fruit/oil combinations, and you can order them on the internet.

124 · Cheap Ass Desi on May 25, 2006 9:15 PM · Direct link

Ms. Fink:

Does anyone have any take on Shahnaz Hussain products? I've been using those faithfully for many years now, and think they've worked well for me. However, every now and then I hear scary rumours about how a lot of her things have (bad) chemicals and heavy metals...and that this is the reason she isn't big in the US. Any info on this?

Shahnaz Hussain is big, isn't she? I see her name plastered everywhere. I haven't used any of her products but her home recipes are too time consuming, complicated, and require ingredients for which I would have to fork over 6 of my paychecks. Where have you heard that she's been using dangerous ingredients?

Soap input: in my quest for a chemical-free, non-animal testing soap, I stumbled upon Chagrin Valley soaps -- they are very good with all manner of veggie/fruit/oil combinations, and you can order them on the internet.

How does it leave your skin? Scaly like an alligator, smooth as silk, or neutral like bread?

125 · Ms Fink Nottle on May 25, 2006 9:44 PM · Direct link

CAD,

I first remember hearing about the chemicals in Shahnaz Husain products from a friend who worked for a company called Surfactants in Bombay (who apparently test beauty products, among other things...don't know why, though) and then later from a friend who claimed that this is why Shahnaz is not big in the US.

Anyone know WHY the Shahnaz line has not really made it to the US? I hear its widely available in the UK...is this true? (Cue for anti Indian/muslim conspiracy theories :) )

It's likely that the 'chemicals' in Shahnaz formulations are no worse than those in a lot of other products (the line between what is 'chemical' and what is 'natural' sometimes being pretty blurry anyway)...including the heavy metals bit, particularly for products mfg in India. There has been controversy about the heavy metals in some ayurvedic preparations but the ayurveda proponents in the US dismiss this by saying (1)certain heavy metals in miniscule quantities are actually good for you and/or (2) any heavy metals present in products were part of faulty manufacturing process and are not part of the original ayurvedic formulation.

About Chagrin Valley soaps: I was mainly looking for a soap for my *very* dry, highly hives-prone skin. I guess the answer to your question would be "neutral like bread" :). I like the fact that they are *really* all natural with no chemically things (compare the ingredients with other soaps) and produced by a small local family type business. I haven't yet decided whether they are better for my skin than the 'super-fatted' soaps that are usually recommended for dry skin, though (Dove etc).

126 · Janeofalltrades on May 25, 2006 9:50 PM · Direct link

I have heard that SPF product is very harmful to the skin because it contains battery acid and other harmful chemical ingredients. I don't know if it's true or not. Any insights??

OMG no not at all. SPF is the sun protection factor value which can go up and down in numbers based on how many times more then normal conditions it protects you from UVB rays. So essentially if you can normally stay in the sun 10 minutes before getting tanned a SPF of 15 allows you to stay in the sun 15 times longer. Frankly SPF 15 is enough for day to day protection. Almost all makeup now has SPF. However if you spend the day at the beach barely clothed a 30 SPF is ideal. Anything more then SPF 45 is doing absolutley nothing more then SPF 30.

However most average SPFs only protect you against UVB not UVA. Neutrogena makes moisturizers with SPF 30 and 45 that have both UVA and UVB protectors. Anytime you have UVA fighters you will have ingredients like zinc oxide and titanium dioxide and those are what people say are in "battery acid".

Frankly have you ever put battery acid on your face and known it to do damage? Chances are no :-) So if you don't know it's harmful to you how do you know it's harmless either?? Also regular face powder contains titanium dioxide as well and zinc is in almost all powders in different forms. What do you think the shimmer in different body powder is?

Some of the stronger ingredients that protect you from UVA's aren't allowed by the FDA in the United States so there isn't anything to worry about.

If you use multiple products on your face like I do you have several layers of SPF that add up. Frankly the harm from todays sun is far more and since there are no other practical options to protect yourself SPF is the only way to do it. Not using it is worse then using it.

127 · Ms Fink Nottle on May 25, 2006 9:51 PM · Direct link

And yes, Shahnaz Husain is really big. And, for all the vile rumours I seem to be spreading (see above) about possible Evil Chemicals in her products, I remain a devoted Shahnaz user...and actually have a very good gilowing skin (so say assorted Auntyjis) that I am pretty happy with :)!

128 · Ms Fink Nottle on May 25, 2006 10:22 PM · Direct link

Re SPF Jane of all Trades is absolutely correct.

Also, I remember reading in a Consumer Reports article that apparently the SPF rating can be somewhat deceptive i.e. even if a product says "SPF 30" it does not necessarily keep out all types of UV rays. The Consumer Reports article had recommendations and avoid-ations, but (she went on helpfully) I forget :)...if you're a member, you can check it out. I do remember that they liked Aloe Gator, which is what I use. You can find it at REI, Sports Chalet type places.

129 · Ms Fink Nottle on May 25, 2006 10:25 PM · Direct link

That is, even if a product says "SPF 30," the full "30" does not necessarily apply to all UVA, UVB and UVC.

130 · Janeofalltrades on May 25, 2006 10:31 PM · Direct link

Yup SPF 30 protects you from 97% of UVB rays. Also for women hormone fluctuations can lead to different absorbtion levels of the actual SPF product. This means some days you absorb more then other days.

In the grand scheme of things we should just use products that protect us especially our faces because UVA/UVB rays speed up the aging process. Life is too long to age gracefully :-) I prefer to fight every step of the way.

131 · Ms Fink Nottle on May 25, 2006 10:32 PM · Direct link

Hmmm, just checked out the different UVs on google and apparently UVC has the shortest wavelength and cannot really reach us. So we're just contending with Messers A and B...

132 · Cheap Ass Desi on May 25, 2006 10:42 PM · Direct link

Ms. Fink:

including the heavy metals bit, particularly for products mfg in India. There has been controversy about the heavy metals in some ayurvedic preparations but the ayurveda proponents in the US dismiss this by saying (1)certain heavy metals in miniscule quantities are actually good for you and/or (2) any heavy metals present in products were part of faulty manufacturing process and are not part of the original ayurvedic formulation.

I knew it. No wonder my skin was so irritated and prone to rashes whenever I used the so-called "Ayurvedic" soaps. Lux, Shikakai, the Mysore Sandalwood soap, and Chandrika sear your skin off. I could even smell something medicinal and metallic. The only Ayurvedic soap that is gentle is Medimix.

I was mainly looking for a soap for my *very* dry, highly hives-prone skin

You should really try that Soap of Aleppo that I've been pedalling here. It truly is remarkable. I've recommended it to my friends who have painfully sensitive and dry skin, and this soap works wonders. Sometimes, there's a reason why certain methods and articles survive the test of time.

(Cue for anti Indian/muslim conspiracy theories :) )

Shhh! Don't want to bring SpoorLam in here!

JOAT and Ms. Fink:

Re: the Sunblock and Sunscreen protection discussion going on here, wow. Ph.D dissertation style. Hard core stuff. I personally don't ever wear it, even though I spend a lot of time under the sun. Never have and never will.

133 · Ms Fink Nottle on May 25, 2006 10:50 PM · Direct link

CAD
Now if only I really was working on my diss (as indeed I otter) 'stead of hangin' around Seepin' in the Mutiny...:)

But seriously, you should use s.block if you hang around in the sun. I hate the stuff and its gooeyness and smelliness and general fouliness but I force myself to.

And c'mon, ayurvedic products fall under the "Sometimes, there's a reason why certain methods and articles survive the test of time" rubric too! Lux-smucks and co are not ayurvedic, much as they like to jump on to that bandwagon.

134 · CAD on May 25, 2006 10:57 PM · Direct link

Ms. Fink:

But seriously, you should use s.block if you hang around in the sun.

No, I really, really, really detest sunblock. I used to be a swimmer and water polo player for 6 years, and even then, I never slathered on sunblock. I love the sun and try to spend as much time under it as possible, but I will never apply sunblock.

And c'mon, ayurvedic products fall under the "Sometimes, there's a reason why certain methods and articles survive the test of time" rubric too!

Yeah, as long as it doesn't smell and feel like I'm putting acid on myself. I'm not dismissing Ayurvedic soaps per se, I'm criticizing the way they are manufactured. I'm always on the look-out for good Ayurvedic soaps. Take Medimix, for instance. Now that is one bhery bhery nice soap.

135 · Ms Fink Nottle on May 25, 2006 11:06 PM · Direct link

CAD
Swamiye Aleppo, Aleppo Swamiye!!!

Now I just have to give The Aleppo a try. I tried googling it and found so many Soaps of Aleppo that I wouldn't be able to tell real from fake...do you have a recommendation for a website to buy ze original from? Or maybe I should just go find a Wild Oats.

136 · dhaavak on May 25, 2006 11:23 PM · Direct link

finkie - i saw aleppo at the wild oats in overland park, KS if you're REEALLY keen on it :-)

seriously, i'm something of a soap snob myself because i dont like perfumey girly stuff, and not all soaps work well after a swim - i've gravitated to glycerine soaps like pears - goat's milk were a distant second - and no clinical tests - just experience - even the bed sheets used to hurt at one point and i couldnt sleep in shorts until i found the right combination of soap and moisturizer (olay)

i agree with you on using sun screen - there seems to be a common misconception that darker people dont get sunburn - it may be that the effects take longer to appear - but the sun doth burn and how - and especially those who spend time on the water sailing or canoeing can attest - the effects are pretty bad - reddening, painful swellings, peeling skin etc... and we do tan, quite deliciously so actually... ok... i think i was channelling my X side... but it's good to have schisms, no - keeps life interesting :-)

137 · Cheap Ass Desi on May 25, 2006 11:54 PM · Direct link

dhaavak:

seriously, i'm something of a soap snob myself because i dont like perfumey girly stuff, and not all soaps work well after a swim - i've gravitated to glycerine soaps like pears - goat's milk were a distant second - and no clinical tests

Post swim, I used to use the Dove bar soap, and everything was fine until practices were stepped up to twice a day, in which case I got eczema on my shins. Which one are you currently using?

Re: Pears, everybody roots for Pears, but I didn't quite like it.
Re: Goat Milk soaps-- those are nice, aren't they? I have the ZumZum bar, and it's lavendar and anice scented. To be honest, the smell of the lavendar in the steamy shower made me dizzy, almost to the point of fainting. Also, some of the lather accidentally entered into my mouth, and afterwards I felt like vomiting the whole night.

we do tan, quite deliciously so actually

Yes, we do. Yum.

Fink:

I tried googling it and found so many Soaps of Aleppo that I wouldn't be able to tell real from fake...do you have a recommendation for a website to buy ze original from

Can I get back to you on that? I'm currently studying for a major exam. Don't worry, I won't flake. I'm too much of a Soap of Aleppo proponent that I'm more than happy to spread the word :)

138 · ar on May 25, 2006 11:58 PM · Direct link

dhaavak:

...seriously, i'm something of a soap snob myself because i dont like perfumey girly stuff, and not all soaps work well after a swim - i've gravitated to glycerine soaps like pears - goat's milk were a distant second -...

dude, ur a dudette???!!!!

139 · Chandi on May 26, 2006 12:22 AM · Direct link

Speaking of, did y'll catch the article on French women and the natural look in today's NYT?http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/25/fashion/thursdaystyles/25skin.html
It describes American women as overmade up.
Another not unrelated thought: I've been trying to figure out if SM is a forum entirely by the young, for the young. It was heartening to learn that Anna is in her 30's though that's still not old enough for my comfort level! I was tickled to read the consoling 'thirty is the new forty' comments-- I've been feeling happy about the forty is the new thirty articles in the media recently--even in the Indian press!! I hope this is an age no bar, let's talk soap bar forum! And don't anyone dare say 'auntyji'.

140 · dhaavak on May 26, 2006 12:36 AM · Direct link

cheap ass - these days i'm doing some more intense cycling, running - fat calluses on my heel and balls (of the feet) - so have gravitated to coarse artisan soaps - nothing else cuts it - i got a big 4" by 4" slab hand-cut at whole foods austin that i'm still working through :-)

ar - you arent trying to goad me now are you... do you need a spanking with my feather boa, now ... do you?

141 · CAD on May 26, 2006 12:49 AM · Direct link

Dhaavak:

cheap ass - these days i'm doing some more intense cycling, running - fat calluses on my heel and balls

Are you a triatholon athlete, yaar?

If you're currently going through some grimy moments in your life, why don't you use Lava Soap and Pine Tar soap*?

*NOTE: DO NOT use these soaps, unless you would like to look and feel as if you've gotten a 3rd degree burn. This suggestion is just a joke.

142 · Anu on May 26, 2006 12:56 AM · Direct link

JaneofAllTrades,
Thanks for your insight, Thank You So Much. I do want to age gracefully.

143 · ar on May 26, 2006 12:57 AM · Direct link

you arent trying to goad me now are you...

Kinda ;) Kinda not, though. Idle curiousity, post-exam (I had the impression u were a dude from reading a couple of ur previous comments).

do you need a spanking with my feather boa, now ... do you?

dhaavak, what wld ur mummy think?!!

144 · Anu on May 26, 2006 1:03 AM · Direct link

http://lifestyle.indiainfo.com/beauty-style/skin/magic-honey.html

Honey fights against any kind of skin damage and ageing as it has antioxidant properties.

145 · dhaavak on May 26, 2006 1:09 AM · Direct link

cheap ass - was one - did an ironman - moved on - evolve or ossify?- am trying out mtb racing now - but candidly not goign very well - last weekend had me holding on for dear life to side of a gonzo downhill ramp with the feet still clipped in to the pedals of a bike fast following gravity - we'll see

ar - i'm a guy bud - and no - i wont talk soap in public - but i dont expect to meet any of you - so there :-)

146 · Cheap Ass Desi on May 26, 2006 1:13 AM · Direct link

Dhaavak:

So which soap are you using right now?

147 · dhaavak on May 26, 2006 1:19 AM · Direct link

cheap ass... like i said, some soap i picked up at whole foods austin - it may even have been something called austin soaps - she cut a big 4x4x4 block for me - has oats or tea in it - ok... got to jump off to a call now... take care and good luck with your exam.

148 · Cheap Ass Desi on May 26, 2006 3:14 AM · Direct link

Naomi Wolf's research has illustrated that both the cosmetics and fashion industries are largely owned by men.

Re: sunblock and sunscreen, my whole take on this is that it makes me resentful that we should have to buy one more item just because a bunch of the corporations out there are liberally and carelessly polluting our environment and depleting our ozone layer. So while they continue to increasingly harm and exacerbate our planet's climate and ozone layer-- removing the veil that blocks the UV ray-- we are forced to spend money on protecting ourselves. There should be a mass movement to counteract this. This is why I do not use sunblock, unless I am on a beach with white sand (which does make me burn).

I know, some may say, "That's a stupid way to take risks with your health", but oh well. There are also those who get annoyed with cigarette smoke, but never complain as much about all the air pollution we breathe in everyday (places with pristine, clean, and breatheable air exempted). There are some cities where the air pollution is so bad, that breathing in that air is equivalent to smoking anywhere from 5-30 cigarettes a day, depending on the city and the day's temperature. For Delhi, it's 30; for Bologna it's about 5-10 (10 on hot summer days). So a person could be a non-smoker and still suffer from the same side effects of smokers. Furthermore, a non-smoker could move or ask a smoker to put out the cigarette if the smoke is bothersome. With air pollution, there is no escape- it's not like you can stop breathing once you get out of the house and prohibit yourself to breathe the whole time you're out.

149 · ade on May 26, 2006 5:37 AM · Direct link

This thread is amazing. Thanks, ladies ;-) (and A N N A- I fell into the Aish mascara trap as well- wow, that so did not work out well for me! I'll def. check out the new one. Right now I'm actually partial to Almay, it's not as dramatic but has this amazing and consistent thickening power that is never clumpy).

While we're on the topic, I'm dying to ask:

JoAT, I couldn't tell from your comments whether you were very into eyeliner or not, but do you have any recommendations on that end? Right now the one I use is this waterproof drugstore brand called Prestige, which is the only thing that actually stays on and is dark enough to give me the look I want. I'd love something a bit more smudged, and kajol-like, but it's gotta stay on through my 12-hour days. Everytime I try switching to another eyeliner, I'm massively disappointed with its staying power. Anyone?

150 · Jai gatecrashing the kitty party on May 26, 2006 6:30 AM · Direct link

Quite an enlightening and smile-raising discussion ;)

Okay ladies, admit it: How many of you listen to your mothers and secretly put coconut oil in your hair to "condition" it during the weekend when no-one else is around* ?

*Yes, you too Dhaavak.

151 · AK on May 26, 2006 6:41 AM · Direct link

my whole take on this is that it makes me resentful that we should have to buy one more item just because a bunch of the corporations out there are liberally and carelessly polluting our environment and depleting our ozone layer. So while they continue to increasingly harm and exacerbate our planet's climate and ozone layer-- removing the veil that blocks the UV ray-- we are forced to spend money on protecting ourselves. There should be a mass movement to counteract this.

Martyr. ;) CAD, if you get skin cancer, then who will lead the mass movement?

152 · Margin Fades on May 26, 2006 8:20 AM · Direct link

I see only one mention of sandalwood - and that's in soap form, even. My personal beauty favorite is picking up packets of sandalwood powder from local desi groceries, making up the paste, and applying it daily (even twice daily, during the humid Houston months) to my T-zone. It's like oil-dry for the skin! Besides which, it smells nice, and its natural scent is one of the few that doesn't tickle my nostrils.

...one of the reasons why it's not easy to recruit females to this blog (said one so memorably: "It would be an honor, but it's not worth it-- I don't need the scrutiny or the abuse")...

Really! That's too bad, because I love SM, and I can't help but be biased and love yours, Neha's, and Neeraja's posts. Keep fightin' the good fight.

153 · Janeofalltrades on May 26, 2006 9:15 AM · Direct link

Re: the Sunblock and Sunscreen protection discussion going on here, wow. Ph.D dissertation style. Hard core stuff. I personally don't ever wear it, even though I spend a lot of time under the sun. Never have and never will.
No, I really, really, really detest sunblock. I used to be a swimmer and water polo player for 6 years, and even then, I never slathered on sunblock. I love the sun and try to spend as much time under it as possible, but I will never apply sunblock.

Why CAD? Especially if you spend time in the sun? So you are comfortable with aging rapidly and possibly developing skin issues?

For dry skin Aveeno products are the best. Anything with oat in it is phenomenal. There is also Lipikar made by La Roche Posey that is absolutely fantastic for dry skin. I'm talking about dry skin that the usual Jergens can't fix.

JoAT, I couldn't tell from your comments whether you were very into eyeliner or not, but do you have any recommendations on that end? Right now the one I use is this waterproof drugstore brand called Prestige, which is the only thing that actually stays on and is dark enough to give me the look I want. I'd love something a bit more smudged, and kajol-like, but it's gotta stay on through my 12-hour days. Everytime I try switching to another eyeliner, I'm massively disappointed with its staying power. Anyone?

I like soft eye liners not the harsh lines and absolutely no liquid liners. Brown skinned ladies like us end up looking like racoons when we wear hard eyeliners. I prefer to play up the lashes then the lid. If you get a liner get a soft smudge kind. Prestige is fine but use dark brown and not black. Black is just too harsh. Unstoppable eyeliner by Maybelline is very good. Will last. Also see if you can create a soft line with dark eyeshadow instead of a liner, it will last longer. Also stay away from any waterproof products for the eye, no no on waterproof mascara and eyeliner.

Okay ladies, admit it: How many of you listen to your mothers and secretly put coconut oil in your hair to "condition" it during the weekend when no-one else is around* ?

You'd be surprised how many don't. It's like an urban myth. Coconut oil smells and takes forever to come out of your hair sometimes days and does not provide any more conditioning then the other brands of deep conditining. Also women who have oily or generally curly hair (me) should stay away from that stuff.

154 · VBSF on May 26, 2006 9:37 AM · Direct link

You'd be surprised how many don't. It's like an urban myth. Coconut oil smells and takes forever to come out of your hair sometimes days and does not provide any more conditioning then the other brands of deep conditining. Also women who have oily or generally curly hair (me) should stay away from that stuff.

JOAT: I do have curly hair, albeit very dry, and do use oil sometimes to condition. I definitely find my hair after regular application...have you had a very different (read: bad) experience?

155 · A N N A on May 26, 2006 9:40 AM · Direct link

JoaT,

Regardng your comment--what's the deal with waterproof eye-stuff being bad for you? When I was at Saks a few weeks ago, my fave Chanel person said the exact same thing you just did (after looking both ways to see if anyone was around and then leaning in to whisper the forbidden anti-waterproof truth). I wanted to ask her why but then some other customers came by and she couldn't finish her thought. I usually don't use it, BUT the last tube of Lash Stylist I bought IS wp. Before I open it, I'd love to hear what's up.

156 · VBSF on May 26, 2006 9:41 AM · Direct link

Sorry, that should read: I definitely find my hair to feel much softer after regular application. Haven't had my morning shots of caffeine yet!

157 · A N N A on May 26, 2006 9:46 AM · Direct link

I'm with Jane on the oil thing...I just use the heaviest conditioner a brand carries for my ultra-dry, coarse-but-mostly-straightish-wavy hair. If you are going to use oil, I'd only apply it towards the ends...the last time I had it near my scalp, even after washing it out as thoroughly, it killed all volume and looked awful.

158 · Nux2 on May 26, 2006 10:10 AM · Direct link

2nd the question to JoAT about waterproof stuff, why is that bad? I never use it, because I find it too hard to remove, but always assumed it would be fine -- all my friends have used it on their wedding days for example. I'd be really interested to hear your thoughts!

Also, re comment 149, in terms of a soft kajal with staying power -- MAC Powerpoints are *fantastic* and come in awesome colours -- although I hedge my answer against the hoped for JoAT response to the question about waterproof eye makeup... :)

159 · Janeofalltrades on May 26, 2006 10:17 AM · Direct link

JOAT: I do have curly hair, albeit very dry, and do use oil sometimes to condition. I definitely find my hair after regular application...have you had a very different (read: bad) experience?

Hey try the Queen Helene stuff that's made for African American hair. That stuff really is fantastic and provides great conditioner without the oil/smell feel. It's not a bad experience it's just really sticky takes a long time to go away and it really smells bad. Also it seriously flattens hair and not all of us have naturally thick hair :-) People don't realize it and use the kinds they grew up with but for a non desi that smell is offensive. It takes several days of hair washing to come out. My hair doesn't need that level of conditining because it's very healthy. Extremely dry hair requires daily help not really just once a week application.

what's the deal with waterproof eye-stuff being bad for you?

While we are on it I'm also against eyemakeup remover as well :-) Your eye area is the most sensitive. For us brown girls it has the thinnest skin on the entire body so it goes fast. It's the first place to see signs of aging and we are also prone to dark circles. Anytime you are tugging/pulling/pressing the area to get product out you are damaging that area. Waterproof products have chemicals that really grasp the epidermis of the skin and in the long run can really irritate (non visible) the surface of the skin. I prefer washable products and I prefer to wash my face with foaming face washes and warm water, no rubbling, pulling etc. Always follow up with a toner to get out every single bit out. No need for eye makeup remover. The #1 luxury EMR in the market is the Lancome one in the blue bottle but thats too many chemicals to put on your eyes on top of the waterproof stuff.

By the way another makeup tip that I have to share...sorry I eat, breath and live this everyday...Smashbox has a primer called Photofinish. It's silicone based clear product that glides on your skin, fills ridges and creates even tone to put makeup on. It goes over moisturizer and is absolutely fantastic. Will make you look like you have foundation on. I never wear foundation, just tinted moisturizer on top of it and everyone always asks me if I have foundation on. It makes the skin flawless...

160 · A N N A on May 26, 2006 10:44 AM · Direct link

sorry I eat, breath and live this everyday...

Lowe means newer hawing to say you are sorry...and I think I speak for multitudes when I type that after THIS thread, you are LOVED. :)

161 · Anu on May 26, 2006 10:54 AM · Direct link

My hair is very thicky,dry,and wavy. I never used to use any oil in my hair. However, my hair started getting very dry (I couldn't tell if it was because of my highlights). So i have started using coconut/Amla oil on my hair once a week. I haven't had any problem with it. I try to focus on the ends of my hair.

Dark Circle - As JaneofAllTrades mentioned before, you can use cucumber. Also I have used Almond oil around that area. It lightens the area.

162 · Neha on May 26, 2006 11:02 AM · Direct link

...Smashbox has a primer called Photofinish.

Not only are you loved JoaT but you are also PSYCHIC. I was just going to ask about foundation replacements to even out skin tone since foundation is too much of a hassle for me. Plus I'm scared of looking like a cake. That's it, I'm going to a drug store + sephora after work today. No, don't hold me back, I'm going, that's it!

163 · Janeofalltrades on May 26, 2006 11:07 AM · Direct link

Neha,

Any moisturizer, Smashbox primer, Lancome Aqua Teint tinted moisturizer and Photogenic powder, and voila you have flawless skin...forget foundation. That is cakey. Your skin will show thru and it's transparent, you won't look made up but it will just look flawless. Also no eyeliner, a basic shimmery neutral shadow all over the lid, and Very Black Lash stylist (washable) mascara, Mac blush put on with a big brush on the cheeks and Maybelline Shinylicious lip gloss. You will look even more fabulous then you do now. Good luck. Let me know how it goes.

I'm going to miss you ladies and SM over the next week while I'm off to the Bahamas and Bermuda :-)

164 · DesiDancer on May 26, 2006 11:24 AM · Direct link

Neha, I've had really good results with Real cosmetics powders. I have used their foundation on rare occasion (spot touch-ups for a performance) but not on a daily basis. Like JoAT said, it's really not necessary to go there with foundation. Real's colors are FABULOUS for desi skin tones and they don't test on animals. I know I've pumped them up before, and several other Mutinettes use their line. I particularly like that it's not pink or oranged based pigment, so the risk of looking like a cake is reduced because it actually blends nicely with your skin tone, instead of trying to cover up with an off-shade...

Happy vacation JoAT!

165 · Su on May 26, 2006 11:34 AM · Direct link

OOh JoAT- You are the best. I have the Lancôme EMR and always thought that was fab!, looks like I wont be buying it no more. I have to admit- I'm bad...*cough* lazy *cough* about washing my face- I use the Biore or Ponds makeup removal towllette- Is that a bad thing?
Also I have the Benefit's Dr.Feel Good stuff: Doesn't make a visible difference but skin feels real smooth...is the Smashbox photofinish the same thing?
I also get Microderm abrasion atleast once a month and a jet-peel ( Icy cold jet of saline water) I'm 28- but have these pigmentation marks that disappears for a week till my next session ( at $90 a pop- I'm hooked and broke)...
Note to self: don't committ to an appointment immediately after the session when skin looks fab! *sigh*

166 · Janeofalltrades on May 26, 2006 12:00 PM · Direct link

I use the Biore or Ponds makeup removal towllette- Is that a bad thing?

Don't :-) All you are doing is spreading the dirt and pressing it into your skin. I'm not a big fan of using just towlettes to remove makeup. If you need to use it use the ones that foam and wash your face and wash with water :-)

Benefit's Feel Good is similar to Smashbox. Mac also has a cheap primer but by far I've used all primers in the market, the Smashbox is the best one in terms of delivering what it promises.

OK Su forget getting microdermabrasion at the dermatologist. If you are still in your 20s its so not necessary. Save the splurge when you get in your later 30s and 40s :-). Try the L'Oreal Microdermabrasion kit and for a little more the Lancome one. There is also Neutrogena. The Neutrogena comes with equipment you use. It's $40. The L'Oreal one is $25. The Lancome one is $100. If you wait till December you can get the Garnier one for $15 :-)

167 · DesiDancer on May 26, 2006 12:15 PM · Direct link

you tease us with all these hints of fabulous Garnier product to come, JoAT!

168 · Msichana on May 26, 2006 12:56 PM · Direct link

OMG...I am such a loser when it comes to make up etc. I can barely use eye liner and lipstick. I think I need to seek sponsorship for a nice brown consultation!! I have to admit...make up talk is VERY daunting to me.

Okay ladies, admit it: How many of you listen to your mothers and secretly put coconut oil in your hair to "condition" it during the weekend when no-one else is around* ?

I oil my hair twice a month atleast. I use Dabur Vatika. It doesnt smell too foul and gives my hair body and bounce. Yeah...my mommy dearest ingrained the use of 'Tel' in me..

169 · Ms Fink Nottle on May 26, 2006 1:19 PM · Direct link

Su
Cleansing pads are not the best thing to use on a daily basis unless you're making sure you wash really well with water after using them...in which case, why not just use soap/any natural things of your choice since it'll be the same level of hassle :)?

Dhaavak I like "finkey"! :)

CAD No problem, I know you won't forget...and best of luck with those exams.

And seriously, reach for the S.Block.
I'm not that much into makeup (a little lipstick every day, and mascara perhaps twice a year) My beauty regimen, such as it is, is more about long term care rather than short term. Which brings me to...

Chandi friend, I wondered about the same thing re the 'youthfulness' :) of most on SM vs my relatively aging (42) self. But not to worry, you're not alone, there's me ...and doubtless other forties plus lurkers...FESS up, guys!

Geriatric Finkie

170 · Ms Fink Nottle on May 26, 2006 1:22 PM · Direct link

So no input on why Shahnaz Husain is not widely available in the US? UK?

171 · Cheap Ass Desi on May 26, 2006 2:08 PM · Direct link

JOAT:

Why CAD? Especially if you spend time in the sun? So you are comfortable with aging rapidly and possibly developing skin issues?

Do you want the honest truth? Yes. Yes I am.

AK:

Martyr. ;) CAD, if you get skin cancer, then who will lead the mass movement?

Hopefully, those who will still be alive (probably those who have been using sunblock religiously).

Everybody:
Oh, since we're on the topic of harmful substances, if you're using Teflon cookware, discard it IMMEDIATELY. Stick with stainless steel.

172 · CAD on May 26, 2006 2:12 PM · Direct link

Everybody:

Out of dying curiosity, how many of you use a washcloth everyday with soap?

Just answer this please, and put me out of my misery, so that I can sleep at night.

173 · coldshower on May 26, 2006 2:43 PM · Direct link

Let's ask Alice about washcloths.

174 · CAD on May 26, 2006 2:47 PM · Direct link

rinsing the body scrubber thoroughly after each use allowing time for the body scrubber to dry completely between uses (natural materials take longer to dry than synthetic ones) storing the body scrubber in a dry, well-ventilated area to facilitate drying, such as away from the tub or shower area and near an open window or fan

I have faithfully adhered to all these principles!

My main concern is to engage in a daily exfoliation ritual in order to prevent the accumulation of dead skin cells so that your skin can "breathe".

175 · Ms Fink Nottle on May 26, 2006 2:55 PM · Direct link

My main concern is to engage in a daily exfoliation ritual in order to prevent the accumulation of dead skin cells so that your skin can "breathe".

Hmmmm, CAD, so not even that layer of dead cells is there to protect you from the UV rays :). Sunblock, friend, sunblock...or else you might as well use that teflon. After all, if we're courting one kind of cancer, why not court the others as well ;).

About your washcloth question: no, I don't. I feel they pull the skin around (which is not good) and feel wayyyy too rough (even the softest) on my sensitive dermis.

176 · Chandi on May 26, 2006 3:02 PM · Direct link

Yeeh, finkie, thank you. I am you, you are me. Let's form a 'roaring forties SA divas' club. Woo hoo.

177 · CAD on May 26, 2006 3:11 PM · Direct link

Fink:

Hmmmm, CAD, so not even that layer of dead cells is there to protect you from the UV rays :). Sunblock, friend, sunblock...or else you might as well use that teflon. After all, if we're courting one kind of cancer, why not court the others as well ;).

I concede right away that my research may be inaccurate, but this myth about the layer of dead skin cells protecting you from the sun's UV rays is all hogwash. For 7 months, I made myself not use a washcloth, and it was both the dirtiest 7 months of my life AND the intensity of my tan was the same as when I used a washcloth.

Not only am I courting cancer with the sun, but I am also courting cancer by being a smoker. Oh well. I enjoy having my cigarette a little too much. I'll stop when I get pregnant.

For those of who are now going to tell me, "Smoking causes premature wrinkles!!", I know. Thankfully, they haven't showed up on me yet. I must have pretty resilient skin. Those of you who have seen me in person can vouch that I do not have wrinkles yet, even though I'm 27; and I look as young as a pre-pubescent lass. Even when I'll get wrinkles, too bad. It is useless to combat the aging process, a process that is both natural and inevitable. The marketing and cosmetics industries have been remarkably successful in convincing women that we should spend every penny we have on creams, gels, lotions, etc that purportedly slow down or halt the aging process, though these products actually don't. Furthermore, they treat the aging process as some kind of despicable enemy that should be fought in a lethal battle until the last drop of blood has dried up. If you're "old"- the standards of being "old" as defined by these industries-- you feel stigmatized and a pariah of society. No more love, sex, and friendship for you. Your life is effectively over at 40 something, unless you buy their products. I refuse to be brainwashed. I don't buy into this.

178 · Ms Fink Nottle on May 26, 2006 3:24 PM · Direct link

Your life is effectively over at 40 something, unless you buy their products. I refuse to be brainwashed. I don't buy into this.

Right on!

The Reverend Nottle, 40+, young at heart and wayyyy foxy

179 · Jai on May 26, 2006 3:25 PM · Direct link

Msichana,

I oil my hair twice a month atleast. I use Dabur Vatika.

Wow. Bahenji, you get the prize for the most hardcore desi on SM this week. I'd actually give you the prize for "most hardcore desi of the month", but only if you admit to oiling you hair into a nice centre-parting and long plait, and actually going out on public transport like that ;)

Good for you, anyway. Dabur Vatika is supposed to be, well, very good for you. At least according to my mother and her continuing efforts* to try to persuade me to use it on my own hair during the weekends, once a week ;)

*Unsuccessful efforts (so far), I should add.....

180 · Su on May 26, 2006 3:28 PM · Direct link

I vote that JoAT start a "beauty" blog and help brown sisters with some Beauty tips..you know with free Garnier samples thrown in with a sign-up ;)
Seriously-You rock!!
Thank you to Fink too- The Indian Parlour here in Knoxville uses a tonne of Shahnaz Hussain stuff for Facials and for Haircare. She recommends Shahnaz Hussain Mehendi for hair. I hadn't heard about heavy metals in her products before- I have seen her on TV and she looks kinda scary...

181 · Rani on May 26, 2006 3:35 PM · Direct link

this thread is addictive :)

my question -> how does one properly exfoliate ? do you need to use one of those sugar/salt scrubs? those gloves? any particular body wash?

182 · Ms Fink Nottle on May 26, 2006 3:38 PM · Direct link

Su
Yes, she does look scary doesn't she!! I always wondered why anyone would look like that while marketing a beauty product...(now Halloween makeup, that would work).
Perhaps that explains why westerners don't use her stuff. Thanks for your input...its only Indian parlours etc that use her :( but I've never yet seen her in any of the Amreekan department stores etc.

183 · CAD on May 26, 2006 3:53 PM · Direct link

Rani:

my question -> how does one properly exfoliate ? do you need to use one of those sugar/salt scrubs? those gloves? any particular body wash?

What I do is: with bar soap, I use a terry cotton washcloth all over my body and face everyday, and once a week, I use either gram flour or horse chestnut flour mixed with yogurt and scrub my face. I do not buy commercial scrubs; I figure that flour works just as well and contains less chemicals anyway. Likewise, I stay away from body washes. Good ole' bar soap is good enough for me.

I like how my skin feels with the use of a washcloth. Those 7 months I didn't use a washcloth, I noticed that my skin was very dry and hard. With a washcloth, the dead skin cells are sloughed off and my pores are open, allowing the skin's natural oils to come to the surface and keep my face moisterized. So I don't need to apply moisterizer, unless it's winter time and my skin is getting ravaged by the wind and climate. This may have also helped to prevent wrinkles. At least it's like this in my case.

My skin care regime is extremely minimal.

184 · Janeofalltrades on May 26, 2006 4:05 PM · Direct link

I vote that JoAT start a "beauty" blog and help brown sisters with some Beauty tips..you know with free Garnier samples thrown in with a sign-up ;) Seriously-You rock!!

Thank you you are very kind. I will I will I really need to do it, especially the beauty stuff for my brown sisters because that is the least I can do. I started the travelogue after a lot of requests and it's shut my blog down a few times because I keep going over bandwidth. I digress. I will share more I promise.

how does one properly exfoliate ? do you need to use one of those sugar/salt scrubs? those gloves? any particular body wash?

Exfoliating is simply the resurfacing of your skin which means sloughing off dead skin. If you use a loofa in the shower everyday you are way ahead of most people who simply slather with soap. There are tons of body scrubs out there. Use it twice a week in the shower. The cheapest ones are in Bath and Body Works and are really good. They come in a jar and are oil base with sugar/sea salts and it forces the oil into your skin and are very moisturizing. Use it after you are done washing and then just rinse off. This keeps the oil on the skin and the skin absorbs it. On the weekends I don't even dry off. I just come out of the shower and stand for a little while and let my body absorb the oil. It's a really effective way of naturally moisturizing.

Another cheap kind is the Freemans apricot facial scrub. It's very mild and very effective and you can use all over your body. Costco has a triple pack for $10.99 :-) Oh and anyone who is prone to acne on their arms or back should use the Freemans facial scrub for oily/acne skin on their backs/arms. Your skin will clear up in no time. Of course you need a lover (or in my case mom at the moment) to scrub your back in the bath :-)

Body wash is just wash it doesn't exfoliate.

185 · Janeofalltrades on May 26, 2006 4:09 PM · Direct link

This may have also helped to prevent wrinkles.

With all due respect CAD you smoke, you don't use SPF and all this obsession with soap and washcloths hehe. The only reason you don't have wrinkles yet is because you are only 27 :-) You aren't supposed to have wrinkles this early on.

186 · Janeofalltrades on May 26, 2006 4:13 PM · Direct link

Sorry I promise I'm not trying to hog bandwidth. I just remembered another excellent regime to moisturize and retain the moisture for you ladies (and metrosexual boys) out there with dry skin. Other then using Aveeno everyday. After a warm shower slather on Johnson & Johnson baby oil without drying off on your wet self. The oil along with the water just gets sucked into warm skin with open pores. You will feel that soft moisture on your skin all day.

187 · CAD on May 26, 2006 4:21 PM · Direct link

Janeofalltrades:

With all due respect CAD you smoke, you don't use SPF and all this obsession with soap and washcloths hehe. The only reason you don't have wrinkles yet is because you are only 27 :-) You aren't supposed to have wrinkles this early on.

With all due respect, I wouldn't make judgements about someone you have never met or seen :-)

188 · blueblood on May 26, 2006 4:57 PM · Direct link

Oh and anyone who is prone to acne on their arms or back should use the Freemans facial scrub for oily/acne skin on their backs/arms

I will have to try the Freeman's. Another good way to get rid of back acne is with milk of magnesia. You spread it on, let it dry and then rinse off. Works like a charm. You can also use it on your face if you have blackheads, etc., but it's drying so be careful if you're skin's on the dry side.

189 · CAD on May 26, 2006 5:11 PM · Direct link

JOAT:

With all due respect, I wouldn't make judgements about someone you have never met or seen :-)

Now that I think about it, I hope this didn't come off the wrong way. I was just jesting.

(A Sidenote: I've just realized that communicating via the Internet is extremely problematic, where comments are easily prone and susceptible to misunderstandings. Now I have to be extra careful, conscious, and sensitive so that I do not unintentionally offend or insult anybody)

Now, if you all would excuse me, I am going to go relax and smoke a pack of cigarettes while lying under the sun-- without any sunblock on.

190 · blueblood on May 26, 2006 5:14 PM · Direct link

be careful if you're skin's on the dry side

Ugh! ...if YOUR skin's on the dry side.

191 · Janeofalltrades on May 26, 2006 5:39 PM · Direct link

With all due respect, I wouldn't make judgements about someone you have never met or seen :-)

No offense don't worry. None taken either. Not making judgements at all. Simply telling you that not having wrinkles at 27 isn't a big deal. You aren't supposed to have them in the first place. Lest you think albeit all the bad habits you are somehow not aging :-) it will catch up with you in another decade. But more power to you if you don't care as you said early. Most women don't care to look 15 years younger just look good for their age. Enjoy the smokin and bakin :-)

192 · dhaavak on May 26, 2006 5:41 PM · Direct link

Now, if you all would excuse me, I am going to go relax and smoke a pack of cigarettes while lying under the sun-- without any sunblock on.

um... did you say you were a competitive swimmer, polo player... there's a logical disconnect for me here ... unless of course you're doing this to support the beedee-rollers in rural andhra pradesh... in which case it is good.

193 · CAD on May 26, 2006 5:47 PM · Direct link

JOAT:

Lest you think albeit all the bad habits you are somehow not aging :-) it will catch up with you in another decade.

Lest you think that all those products, ointments, cosmetics, and brands aforementioned will somehow actually live up to their marketing, benefit your skin, and work :)

But more power to you if you don't care as you said early. Most women don't care to look 15 years younger just look good for their age. Enjoy the smokin and bakin :-)

Hmm....I'm reading a bit of biting criticism here....

Hey, why not start and lead a sunblock and cosmetic jihad? Teach everybody what is best for them, even if they don't believe in it or get it!!

194 · CAD on May 26, 2006 5:49 PM · Direct link

dhaavak:

um... did you say you were a competitive swimmer, polo player... there's a logical disconnect for me here ...

I stopped playing competitive sports 4.5 years ago, and started smoking 4 years ago. So I have never been a smoker and an athlete at the same time.

195 · Janeofalltrades on May 26, 2006 5:56 PM · Direct link

Lest you think that all those products, ointments, cosmetics, and brands aforementioned will somehow actually live up to their marketing, benefit your skin, and work :)

I'm way older then you, have aged well and have flawless skin so I know they work :-) And remember makeup isn't a must protection from the sun/environment is. Most people are open to learning about something that is harmful to them. Before someone educated me I was oblivious as well. Sun damage isn't always visible. There is a large number of people that also believe they don't sweat nor smell and don't need deodrant. You can take a horse to the water but you can't make it drink. At the end of the day we all do what is best for us.

196 · dhaavak on May 26, 2006 5:57 PM · Direct link

I stopped playing competitive sports 4.5 years ago, and started smoking 4 years ago. So I have never been a smoker and an athlete at the same time.

now you're breaking my heart - come back cheap ass, c-o-me back! cant you hear the drums fernando

197 · dhaavak on May 26, 2006 6:00 PM · Direct link

There is a large number of people that also believe they don't sweat nor smell and don't need deodrant.

i resemble that remark. ahh .. the pong of man...

198 · CAD on May 26, 2006 6:25 PM · Direct link

I'm way older then you, have aged well and have flawless skin so I know they work :-)

Since I've never seen you, I'll take you word for it. Congratulations.

One thing though: you're attributing good skin and aging well to using products. This may or may not be true. In my mind, however, I strongly believe that a good, healthy diet of lots of vegetables and fruits, packed with vitamins as well as an active lifestyle lead to an overall healthy organism (though I smoke a couple of cigarettes a day). So this is your opinion, but it's not a fact. Furthermore, just because these things work on you doesn't mean they work for everyone across the board. Every individual's skin is different.

Most people are open to learning about something that is harmful to them...You can take a horse to the water but you can't make it drink

How are you assuming that I don't know anything about the subject of sunblock, skincancer, and so on? That I haven't been instructed about all of the intricacies of cosmetics and the dizzing array of products up the galore? Maybe I've tried these things out in the past and decided to discontinue spending large amounts of money, money that I would now prefer to spend on buying, say, a book. Perhaps I don't believe in all the hype. Maybe I've chosen to not bow down to the the market god. I don't think you can make assumptions about what I presumably know, don't know, and don't want to know based on what I've chosen to do. The remark above is a bit patronizing, condescending and insistent.

But more power to you if you don't care as you said early. Most women don't care to look 15 years younger just look good for their age.

I actually don't care whether I look 15 years younger than my age. If the people around me judge me based on how young or old I look, then they are not worth my time anyway. Thankfully, all of the people close in my life are not hung up on this age talk. Of course we all want to preserve our looks, and there is nothing wrong with that, but I also don't believe in caving in to societal forces and market pressure that punish us for not being young anymore and hence making us strive to "look younger than our age".

At the end of the day we all do what is best for us.

A slight modifier: At the end of the day, we all do what we think is best for us. Including you, me, and everyone else.

Let's just leave it at that.

dhaavak:

now you're breaking my heart - come back cheap ass, c-o-me back! cant you hear the drums fernando

dhaavak, my love, it's too late.

199 · Janeofalltrades on May 26, 2006 6:32 PM · Direct link

I strongly believe that a good, healthy diet of lots of vegetables and fruits, packed with vitamins as well as an active lifestyle lead to an overall healthy organism

Absolutely. No one would even imply that products you put on the outside replace good nutrition and a healthy lifestyle.

How are you assuming that I don't know anything about the subject of sunblock, skincancer, and so on? That I haven't been instructed about all of the intricacies of cosmetics and the dizzing array of products up the galore?

I think you are taking this a bit too personally. You said earlier that I should start a SPF jihad so I said that I can simply attempt to inform someone as someone did with me. I can't force anyone to follow it. It has nothing to do with what you do and don't know or follow or not follow.

A slight modifier: At the end of the day, we all do what we think is best for us.

Errr how is this any different the doing what is best for us?

200 · Neha on May 26, 2006 9:02 PM · Direct link

lash stylist - done!
smashbox primer - done!
tinted moisturizer or powder - err, spent remaining budget on my one true weakness instead, a bottle of bvlgari.

so i will just be lash-ious and matte today, not bronzed and glowing above my natural bronze and glow, but there's always next week's budget...

THANKS, JoaT! I'll let you know how my battle with the flat comb goes...in case you're leaving tonight, have a wicked vacation, girl!

201 · ade on May 26, 2006 9:13 PM · Direct link

JoAT-

Dark brown eh? Thanks for the recommendation, I'll try it out. Also, for the waterproof warning. I never knew, I've been using black wp this whole time. Okay, I'm going peruse this thread and save all the wonderful advice somewhere... or, um, just transfer it directly onto a shopping list. Either way. :)

202 · Janeofalltrades on May 26, 2006 10:34 PM · Direct link

THANKS, JoaT! I'll let you know how my battle with the flat comb goes...in case you're leaving tonight, have a wicked vacation, girl!

You are welcome enjoy :-)

Ade I promise you dark brown soft smudge eyeliner and a hint of dark green or purple or even navy (trust me on this) shade on your lid....will bring out your beautiful desi skin and dark eyes if you are a brown eyed girl :-)

203 · Janeofalltrades on May 26, 2006 10:40 PM · Direct link

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Click here for L'Oreal's great stylists tips on some of the hot trends. It's on the bottom right.

Click here for Almay's tips and tricks as well and they are very good about packaging a look. They have entire eye collections based on one's eye color and the colors work great.

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Have a great week and continue looking fabulous :-)

204 · A N N A on May 27, 2006 1:14 AM · Direct link

CAD:

I don't think I'm the only one who is slightly disturbed by your habits or more accurately how you're insisting that they don't adversely affect you, when logically they would. There's plenty of research which shows that smoking and tanning are both awful for you. Resenting companies for environmental degradation is fine, but refusing to protect yourself w/sunblock b/c "you shouldn't have to" makes no sense. We shouldn't have to do a lot of things and in an ideal world we wouldn't. But it ain't ideal and we have to suck it up and do what's good for us. I personally wouldn't follow your example, but I am very aware that thanks to your persuasive, charismatic and now ubiquitous words, others might and that worries me. Just my tunda paisa.

205 · CAD on May 27, 2006 1:38 AM · Direct link

Anna:

I don't think I'm the only one who is slightly disturbed by your habits or more accurately how you're insisting that they don't adversely affect you, when logically they would.

Of course they adversely affect health, I never denied that; I don't see where I have insisted that having a few cigarettes a day and not wearing sunblock (BTW, I have never "layed out" to tan, I'm brown enough, thank you very much; but I do enjoy spending time outdoors) is the path to perfect health. I'm just saying that there are other factors that are dangerous to our health as well, of which we hardly ever criticize.

I personally wouldn't follow your example,I am very aware that thanks to your persuasive, charismatic and now ubiquitous words, others might and that worries me.

Next time, I will either include a disclaimer, or better yet, I just won't disclose personal information. Anyway, I tend to disclose too much information.

206 · CAD on May 27, 2006 2:03 AM · Direct link

I don't think I'm the only one who is slightly disturbed by your habits or more accurately how you're insisting that they don't adversely affect you, when logically they would.

but refusing to protect yourself w/sunblock b/c "you shouldn't have to" makes no sense.

But more power to you if you don't care as you said early. Most women don't care to look 15 years younger just look good for their age. Enjoy the smokin and bakin :-)

You can take a horse to the water but you can't make it drink.

Jesus Christ. One thing that occured to me is that I don't even get this much slack in real life from people who know me personally about my "habits". Sheesh. I should have just not disclosed any personal information re: my lifestyle.

207 · Number Six on May 27, 2006 2:05 AM · Direct link

JOAT --

As long as this has become the mother of all personal care threads, any enlightenment 101 you can offer about hair coloring products? Effectiveness, damage to hair, carcinogenic effect, "natural" vs. "non-natural," etc?

ANNA might want to return to pink hair, after all, and as for me, it's so boring to be just another Cylon Number Six when there are so many of us who look exactly the same. I'm really trying to find a way to stand out from the Cylon crowd -- of course, being a Six I'm a blonde, but most of the readers here.... are probably not, so don't mind that in answering the question. Just assume that I'm one of the, uh, desi Cylon models. ;)

And please don't tell anyone about this fit of individuality -- if the Cylon powers-that-be find out, they might try to box my brain. :(

208 · CAD correction on May 27, 2006 2:07 AM · Direct link

Oops. Disregard above post.

I don't think I'm the only one who is slightly disturbed by your habits or more accurately how you're insisting that they don't adversely affect you, when logically they would.

but refusing to protect yourself w/sunblock b/c "you shouldn't have to" makes no sense.

But more power to you if you don't care as you said early. Most women don't care to look 15 years younger just look good for their age. Enjoy the smokin and bakin :-)

You can take a horse to the water but you can't make it drink.

Jesus Christ. One thing that occured to me is that I don't even get this much slack about my "habits" in real life from people who know me personally. Sheesh. I should have just not disclosed any personal information re: my lifestyle. I will now try to stick exclusively to writing comments about politics, culture, etc.

209 · Janeofalltrades on May 27, 2006 10:37 AM · Direct link

As long as this has become the mother of all personal care threads, any enlightenment 101 you can offer about hair coloring products? Effectiveness, damage to hair, carcinogenic effect, "natural" vs. "non-natural," etc?

Anytime you go lighter then your natural hair whether you have black hair or brown hair you are essentially bleaching your hair at varying degrees. If you have generally healthy hair and highlight it in the summer and once in a while it's fine. Doing it all the time is no good. Long term effects of this are bad because you strip your hair off it's natural pigment and replace it with a artificial pigment which dries your hair. Seen too many desi women with hair that looks like straw. I used to work with this woman who wore blue lenses and had blond hair and she tried to pass them off as natural!!! WHY WHY WHY... She was beautiful naturally the way I pictured her. I love jet black hair and unfortunately wasn't blessed with it. I can thank my mother for it. So every 3 months I color my hair jet black.

Clairol is the category captain for hair color and all their products are really good. If you are looking to maintain your natural hair then I'd suggest Excellence or Preference by L'Oreal or any of the Nice n Easy lines by Clairol. If you are looking for fun highlights try Natural Instincts or Herbal Essences by Clairol which has low ammonia (which in the grand scheme of things means shit because it doesn't have any lower bleach) or Feria by L'Oreal.

There are tons of try at home highlighting kits available at drug stores but honestly they aren't worth it because they do not give you the kind of results they boast. I've tried them all, infact I'm the guinea pig it's based on. There is one I really liked and is cheap and easy to use. Garnier's Nourishing Multilights. It was the easiest product to use at home but sparingly. Don't go crazy with it :-)

210 · DesiDancer on May 27, 2006 11:08 AM · Direct link

to coattail JoAT-- Clairol Hydrience is pretty good, and they've worked to reduce the smell a lot, but my #1 favorite is Loreal Feria: 1) they have some fantastic colors if you want to change it up a bit 2) their conditioner is so fabulous I wish they sold it separate from the Feria color!

211 · DesiDancer on May 27, 2006 11:09 AM · Direct link

and Loreal Color Rays in Fuschia is AWESOME. Til it turns brassy in about 4-5 weeks... but then color over it and you have subtle highlights...

212 · Neha on May 27, 2006 12:45 PM · Direct link

Ya, I'm on the Feria bandwagon too. I use it once in a while just to add shine and some tint to my hair. O how it shines!

213 · Ms Fink Nottle on May 29, 2006 10:48 PM · Direct link

Hair Colour: My most important hair colouring advice :):
Try and use 'level 2' or even 'level 1' of hair colour ("non permanent")-- these are all less harmful than "permanent" i.e. level 3. Luckily level 2 is now fairly widely available in supermarkets, although only in certain brands. I personally feel level 1 is a pain as it is much more work, but level 2 works really well -- and in any case, you will probably need to touch up in 2-3 weeks, so it makes no difference that level 2 is 'non permanent.'

214 · Msichana on May 30, 2006 1:14 PM · Direct link

JOAT and the others, I think I am going to make sure that I get a one on one make up consultation from one of you. I am completely USELESS with a brush and pigment. I either look like doink the clown or sayuri the geisha when I am left to my own. Besides the dabur vatika deal I have going on...there isn't much else.

Can the next east coast meet up be a girlie one where these fabulous women can change scarecrows like yours truly into swans? Please? :-)

215 · Radhika on January 5, 2009 6:33 AM · Direct link

which oil is used to open the pores of sclap in less days

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