January 22, 2007
Our Foremost Political PhilosopherIssues
“The worst nonfiction book about terrorism published by a major house since 9/11” is what Warren Bass, senior books editor at the Washington Post (and, the byline notes, a former staff member of the 9/11 Commission), calls the latest from desi Talking Android nonpareil Dinesh D’Souza. The book is called THE ENEMY AT HOME: The Cultural Left and Its Responsibility for 9/11, a title that begs little further explication. Indeed, Bass points out at the end of a sharp review that’s less blustering and more cutting than that of Alan Wolfe in the New York Times, the whole exercise of D’Souza’s book seems so plainly intended to cause a kerfuffle in the blogosphere that I feel tawdry even bringing it up here, despite the Desi Angle (TM). As Bass notes:
Either D’Souza is blaming liberals for 9/11 because he truly believes that they’re culpable, or he’s blaming liberals for 9/11 because he’s cynically calculating that an incendiary polemic will sell books. I just don’t know which is scarier. One has to wonder why his publisher, agent, editors and publicists went along for the ride, and it’s hard not to conclude that they thought the thing would cause a cable-news and blogosphere sensation that would spike sales — a ruckus triggered not despite the book’s silliness but because of it. This sort of scam has worked before (think of Christopher Hitchens’s gleeful broadside against Mother Teresa or the calculated slurs of Ann Coulter), but rarely has the gap between the seriousness of the issues and the quality of the book yawned as wide. This time, let’s just not bother with the flap; this dim, dishonorable book isn’t worth it.
And perhaps, indeed, it isn’t. Still, as the rituals of the publishing biz dictate, Brother D’Souza has been getting his publicity on since the book’s release last week. Yesterday he had an op-ed in the San Francisco Chronicle that begins with a piece of logical reasoning that might have done Descartes proud:
The Pelosi Democrats sometimes appear to be just as eager as Osama bin Laden for President Bush to lose his war on terror. Why do I say this? Because if the Pelosi Democrats were seeking Bush’s success, then their rhetoric and actions now and over the past three years are pretty much incomprehensible. By contrast, if you presume that they want Bush’s war on terror to fail, then their words and behavior make perfect sense.
The brother then moves from logic to anthropology, with this behavioral note on that strange specimen, “the leftist”:
First there is the ritual qualification. “I’m no fan of bin Laden” or “Bin Laden is not a very nice guy.” Having gotten these hedges out of the way, the leftist proceeds to lambaste Bush and the conservatives with uncontrolled ferocity.
We proceed to linguistics:
This is typical Washington doubletalk. What [White House spokesperson] Conant cannot say is that Pelosi no more wants Bush to succeed in Iraq than bin Laden does. Whether it realizes this or not, the Bush administration is facing a kind of liberal-Islamic alliance: a sympathetic relationship that leading leftists in America have with Islamic radicals around the world.
Of course, when D’Souza says “sympathetic,” he means they hate each other:
I’m not suggesting the two groups actually like each other. Actually, they despise each other. Leftists like Pelosi, Barney Frank and Michael Moore despise bin Laden and his fellow radicals because they are religious fundamentalists who want to impose Islamic holy law. That means goodbye to women’s rights and gay rights and, in all candor, goodbye to people like Pelosi, Frank and Moore.
In all candor. But does that mean that Michael Moore is gay, or a woman? Perhaps a lesbian? Moving on:
By the same token, Islamic radicals like bin Laden detest the American left because, as they see it, the left is the party of atheism, family breakdown and cultural depravity. The left is in the vanguard of imposing secularism, no-fault divorce, gay marriage and libertine social values not only in America but also abroad.
Forestalling the great conflagration between The Left and bin Laden (and one wonders why? surely this Armageddon would cleanse the world of both horrors) is one courageous little Dutch girl with her finger in the dyke:
But the man who threatens the Islamic radicals and the American left even more than either group threatens the other is Bush. Leftists don’t like radical Muslims like bin Laden but they absolutely hate Bush. Why? Because from the left’s point of view, bin Laden threatens to impose sharia in Baghdad but Bush threatens to impose sharia in Boston. Bin Laden is the far enemy but Bush is the near enemy.
Here is the battlefield where The Left and Bush are duking it out (and believe me, I’m not skipping any passages here; this is the brother’s logic in its full step-by-step exposition):
In the past generation, the left has gone from a party that mainly cares about working people to a party that mainly cares about sex. Labor unions are now a low priority, and abortion and gay rights have become the centerpiece of the left’s social agenda.
So it all comes down to sex, although, D’Souza admits on the Colbert Report, “I’m not an expert on the homosexual lifestyle.” This moments after putting forward “gay marriage” and “people eating maggots” as the image of America that TV beams to the world, even though, as we know, true Americans neither eat maggots nor do the gay.
By now you can see my brother’s logic come together, so I shall not insult your intelligence with further exegesis. You can read the Chronicle item or watch the Colbert clips (part 1; part 2) for additional gems, for instance when D’Souza, encouraged by Colbert, blames 9/11 not just on Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter, but also — “indirectly, yes” — Franklin D. Roosevelt.
In his haste to rush to market his original and timely analysis, Bro D’Souza apparently didn’t bother to fact-check, Bass points out:
D’Souza … has no particular expertise on terrorism, which may explain why he writes twice that there are U.S. troops in Mecca (someone should probably alert Bob Gates) or why he thinks that President Reagan’s 1986 airstrikes on Libya “convinced Qadafi to retire from the terrorism trade,” despite the bombing of Pan Am 103 by Libyan agents two years later.
In the Chronicle piece, D’Souza also refers to Robert Fisk as an “American leftist,” which was news to me.
All in all, a command performance by a gentleman who remains, for all his ridiculousness, the most prominent desi in U.S. political debate, and certainly the one who’s made the most money peddling his ideas. Some of you might agree with Bass, that it’s a waste of space even talking about him. I don’t. The brother might be an embarrassing buffoon, but we can’t wish him away.
siddhartha on January 22, 2007 10:47 AM in History, Issues, Literature, Politics, Reviews · T·r·a·c·k·b·a·c·k address · Direct link · Email post
If D'Souza really believes there are US troops in Mecca, the guy has zero credibility--beyond even the obvious reasons why he's just a stuffed shirt. And what useless and stupid editors he has! This is what passes for political debate in these United States . . .
Wow, this dude is so like a desi Michelle Malkin(minus the tits ofcourse).
more like an embarrasing, or THE embarassing macaca...
Dinesh's website.
DSouza appeared on Glenn Beck's show yesterday. Even Beck disagreed with him!
[btw, with no intentions of 'threadjacking', Hitchens's arguments against Mother Teresa need more thought than sneaking it in as a parting shot (that's what Bass does) to put down some other. Think why the extensive work done by Ramakrishna Mission (just click on the activities link listed under each centre) is never mentioned by the western media but Mother Teresa - everybody knows that name.]
Looks like Arundhati Roy has found a soul mate.
The scathing criticism and name calling of D'Souza by these leftist newspapers prove that they are intolerant to the point of 'Nazism' of anyone that dares to criticize their point of view. The criticism is vile if you happened to be a minority. It happened to Condi Rice, Clarence Thomas, and no surprise now its Dinesh D'Souza. I did not see where Colbert, 'Owned' D'Souza. D'Souza chose not to delve into a shouting match, or a debate that scores point by making faces and acting ridiculous...something that is symptomatic of Jerry Springer debates. His mistake was perhaps to show up on the show.
Awww. Help, help, I'm being repressed!
I hate claiming D'Souza as one of "ours" even though he's Bombay born and bred, because he's been annoying me with his nuttiness ever since I came to the States. This is the man who "outed" a female classmate at Dartmouth for having sex with her boyfriend, and her parents stopped paying her tuition as a result. He's the lowest of the petty bullying sneaking low, mean-spirited and never saw a smearing opportunity he didn't take. If these are the "values" the Right stands for, he's their worst ambassador.
He really showed his warped weird reasoning on the Colbert Report, though unwittingly revealed that he and his ilk have more in common with Islamists like Bin Laden in their dislike for the American "culture of decadence" than most on the US Right would care to admit.
All in all, a command performance by a gentleman who remains, for all his ridiculousness, the most prominent desi in U.S. political debate,
No way. Fareed Zakaria is clearly the more promiment one. D'Souza doesn't even begin to compare with the visibility/status/name-recognition of Mr. Z.
Heh... that was inadvertently funny after this image...
Well, bro D'Souza's gotta eat... probably pasted together some old doodlings and rushed it to the publisher.
interesting that d'souza interprets abortion and gay rights as issues dealing with "sex," because for many people (at least the people fighting for those issues) they are about civil liberties and personal freedoms. abortion issues are about personal privacy and a women's right to control her own reproductive systems. gay rights are about recognizing homosexuals as equal under the law. neither is fundamentally about sexual behavior. they just happen to be hot button issues because they touch on sex somehow.
it's a pitifully reductionist "argument."
D'Souza is fast turning into a Pat Robertson. Pretty soon everyone will start ignoring him.
Holy shit I haven't seen Colbert blast anyone this good for a while. This guy is an embarrassment to our whole community, almost like Clarence Thomas who ironically enough denounces Affirmative Action while being a product of it. According to the wikipedia article on him, he briefly dated Ann Coulter, go figure.
I think Rajiv Chandrasekaran is gaining on this guy. I see him on CNN all the time now.
"Criticism is vile" for obvious reasons. When was the last time conservatives preached what they practiced? Reagan called America, "the last best hope of mankind on earth" which I happen to agree with but if that's so, we have done a lousy job of living up to our ideals around the world. D'Souza's flaw is in that he assumes the rest of the world is as stupid as he is. Hollywood gets way too much credit by conservatives in claiming that it has somehow projected a very distorted view of Americans abroad. The all time highest grossing Hollywood movie abroad was Titanic. What kind of "vile", deceitful and immoral philosophy was it trying to spread?
A girl succumbs to her lust for a young vagrant and leaves her rich fiance... poses naked for a vulgar painting too. God punishment was sending the ship crashing into a giant iceberg. There you have it...
There's been enough drivel written by the right AND left in this country. Too many folks writing 'expert analysis' books, satire, and blaming the right or left for all ills of society.
I usually walk right past the 'current events' sections in bookstores because all displays are dominated by the bullshit artists such as coulter, moore, and everyone else trying to explain their beef with society and how they're fighting with their backs to the wall.
Seriously, with the immature tone most of these folks take, you'd think they're 17 year olds full of teenage angst, lashing out at society.
Criticism is vile" for obvious reasons. When was the last time conservatives preached what they practiced? Reagan called America, "the last best hope of mankind on earth" which I happen to agree with but if that's so, we have done a lousy job of living up to our ideals around the world. D'Souza's flaw is in that he assumes the rest of the world is as stupid as he is. Hollywood gets way too much credit by conservatives in claiming that it has somehow projected a very distorted view of Americans abroad. The all time highest grossing Hollywood movie abroad was Titanic. What kind of "vile", deceitful and immoral philosophy was it trying to spread?
Criticism doesn't have to be an exercise in using derogoratory adjectives. You called D'Souza's flaw "is that he assumes rest of the world is as stupid as he is." That's plain name calling, and intellectually lazy. I grew up in India as did Dinesh, and Hollywood/TV does give a warped view of what a middle class life in USA is about. For every Titanic, I can name you a thousand Baywatch, etc etc. The general thought in the muslim world (and even in India) is that western women are easy sluts...thanks to hollywood/MTV to most part. Democratic party has been taken over by people whose agenda doesn't click at all with the Islamist world..be it Gay rights to marriage etc etc. You can argue all you want about if the agenda has validty, but you cannot argue with the assertion that the majority of mullahs don't care too much about gays, let alone about their rights. (Not my view....more gays the better as far as I am concerned...more women for me). The typical crticism being leveled at Dinesh is that he is a moron, simple etc etc because he actuallyy dated Ann Coulter, and thinks that Gay right issue is not the most pressing need of this nation. Oh well...his assertion happens to be true. You must be living in a cocoon , or not have travelled muslim world if you do not happen to believe that.
Agreed. Such logic, whoever it comes from, is an embarrassment to one's self. I don't think anyone goes around using D'Souza as a role model for Desi's, and using him to shame the 'community'. If anything, people are tuning him out with rest of the background noise.
It's just an attempt to garner whatever attention capital he has left to make himself somewhat relevant, but in the process burn whatever credibility he has built up.
Colbert's treatment of D'Souza was just classic. I flipped through the book when I was at Border's yesterday. From the passages I read, not only are his arguments totally without merit, but they're not even well written!!! Mr. D'Souza, if you are going to try to dismiss the majority of the populous that is against he war, then at least try to hide the circularity and sophistry of your arguments in decent prose.
"Criticism doesn't have to be an exercise in using derogoratory adjectives."
and lumping all those on the opposite side of the political spectrum (the cultural left) as the "enemy at home" and making them responsible for 9/11, brutal, cowardly acts that resulted in the deaths of thousands of people, is not derogatory? is it really that black and white?
p.s: i'd rather be called lazy and stupid than be held responsible for the deaths of thousands of people.
Nice post Siddhartha,
A note to people who want to ignore the brother. This dim, dishonorable book is at #223 on Amazon.
More DSouzase here.
Totally unrelated comment:
Has anyone read the article about Vikram Chandra's book on Wpost today? Our buddy Amardeep was quoted a few times in that article. I almost felt as I knew him from my childhood days :) Funny what online-reality can do to us :)
This is all Allan Greenspan's fault.. !! Stay with me
- If only he had not drove the Fed interest rate to historic lows.
- There wouldnt have been a housing bubble
- The houses in D.C would have been more affordable.
- People would not have to do extreme things to sell books, to make money so that they can afford decent housing.
There !!! Its all Greenspan's fault. He is the real "enemy" at home :-)
From the link that Shodan provided:
"Lopez: Could someone come away from your book think youre more indignant toward Ted Kennedy than Osama bin Laden?
DSouza: No. Certainly I prefer a tipsy incoherent Irishman to a Muslim mass murderer."
looks like d'souza isn't above using deragotory adjectives for those with whom he disagrees :)
DD is rabid.
He is giving us Bombay Catlicks a bad name.
Interestingly, the ghost of Macbeth reviewed D'Souza's book in the Edinburgh Post:
"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
Speedy
Siddartha,
Thanks dude! Collective response to this 'worthless' piece of "fiction" has been largely -DISDAIN!
However,the structure of your post made it quite hilarious - especially the sequence of 'editorial comments'!!!
......can perfectly emphathize!...go get a shot of 'Glenfiddich'...it might soothe your nerves & bring back your spirit.One of the best posts, I have come across at SepiaMutiny.
Dinesh is espousing the neo-con POV perfectly: Preach personal responsibilty and blame the libs for everything that goes wrong without taking personal responsiblity for it.
too many ABCD jackasses prefer arundhati over d'souza???
why is that??
"too many ABCD jackasses prefer arundhati over d'souza???
why is that??"
there's a third option: to care for neither one of them at times. i think the shrillness and hysteria of some of their writings reflect two sides of the same coin.
In Which Annie Gives It Those Ones and Gods of Small Things are good reasons to love Arundhati Roy. She's a better fiction writer than DD.
Just to be clear, I'm not AB or C. Rather proud of my jackassery though.
Are you kidding me, Baka, that you'd even mention her next to Dinesh D'Souza?
She's a really great fiction writer but her political writing is grounded by facts, unlike D'Souza's thinly veiled homophobia, Islamophobia and leftist-phobia.
Obviously her passionate style doesn't resonate with everyone, but even when she rants, she rants in style, and based on hard facts. She obviously gave up a fat fiction-writing advance to write political books that are catered to a niche audience.
D'Souza on the other hand, clearly did this for the paycheck he'd cash from sympathisers. But if you tried to criticse him for that, I guess he'd say that's what the American dream is all about.
eiled homophobia, Islamophobia and leftist-phobia.
i am not sure that dinesh has any phobias, only a benjaminphilia....
Publisher's are quite sensitive to public opinion - witness harpercollins yanking the OJ book and firing the editor who acquired it.
If you have something to say about dear Dinesh, let Random House know: visit the homepage for the book and click the little "feedback" icon all the way at the bottom right, by the Bertelsmann Media Worldwide logo. Popup feedback box will have space to vent.
Um, at the end of the day, everyone wants a bit of the paycheck. I don't think A. Roy is so 'goody two shoes' as to not benefit from a paycheck or have the desire to earn one from her writing and books. Books are written to be read. Politial, fiction, whatever. Plus, she's already cashed in big earlier. It's like other artists who've had commercial success doing things, but not exactly how they wanted to. When they're secure enough, doing less commercially successful ventures is feasible for them.
So yea, and there are those that don't really hold A. Roy in all high esteem either. The third category of "we don't care what either do" exists. But I'm not going to rehash my arguments against A. Roy here, again.
The funny thing about the reviews is that even the right has been savaging his book. This is a good example. My favorite quote from a review titled "A Wretched Stew":
Random Dinesh D'Souza story. Some 16-17 years ago, I sat next to him in the Frankfurt airport during a layover on a flight to India. I had no idea who he was at the time, but we talked for a good while. He asked where I was in school (I was in college at the time), and he said that he was writing a book about college campuses and that he'd visitied my campus a few times. Months later, I saw a copy of "Illiberal Education" in a bookstore and figured out that this was the same guy.
Hmm..seems I agree with some people that I thought I wouldn't agree with here; but, yes, D'souza whole career has been promoting himself via controversial statements so that he can make more dough. What has really accomplished in the last 20 years? A lot. People (by people, I mean the right ideologues) used him to promote their views and made their straw men into realities. And launched a lot of other careers as a result. For those who think this is just another innocuous book look again. D'souza is successful at looking, acting, and talking like valid intellectual who knows what he is talking about; this often lends more credence to his "views" to those who really want to believe this more then anything else - similarly for many extreme leftist. It's amazing that he's considered an actual scholar without and really scholarly work - or that he even really cares. I've found some articles and sites I think that really reflect who and what D'souza really is:
A great review of his former books and his methodolgies
Only article on his personal life and a follow up that a explains a lot.
Opinion on colonialism
It's similarly funny that D'souza often says how terrible the civil rights act was, but without it he wouldn't have been able to (liberally) date blonde white women and then be able to marry them. Think he had pre-marital sex?
Clearly, you have never read her work on dams... or crops, or nuclear weapons, or...
Roy and D'Souza are practically blood siblings, united in their opposition to reason and free will.
Messed up the article link..here it is
Obviously, Roy writes about these issues in a certain fashion to garner attention. Because these are urgent issues, the context is Indian politics, she has to SHOUT to get heard. She baits powerful people with her over-the-top rhetoric. I think she is even willing to be seen as a caricature. As long as she draws attention to these burning issues.
Whoa.
That was weird...Karuna's comment just simply disappeared.
Damn man. You sure are a rock star.
On another note...This isn't the first time I've heard of the blame for 9/11 placed on leftists (whatever leftists are these days).
I shared a meal with the parrot of Rumsfeld a coupla years ago (not by choice). He also blamed the Clintons, Hollywood, atheists and enviromentalists for 9/11. Interestingly, he was kicked out of the house for suggesting genocide for muslims, was reduced to babbling after I pointed out that Milosovich had already attempted that with only nominal success.
I always thought the bin Laden hatred of america had less to do with leftist ideals and more to do with the history of US allegience with the house of Saud. I'm no history head though, so I'm open to reading suggestions.
Roy's articles make a lot of sense. Her articles - e.g. The Greater Common Good' - talk about the internal displacement of people within a country. She is fighting to repeal the 30 year old 44th amendment act of 1978 that deleted the right to property from the list of Fundamental Rights. The government can anytime confiscate private property (of poor people only) and give it away to industrialists. Seen in this light, she is actually a right-winger. She is arguing to let the market decide the price of the land. Let the companies bargain with the property-owner directly. The government has no right to rob its own people.
And whatever she says about 'power and powerlessness' is very true.
[Link]There never was and never will be a 'free market'. Read Raghuram Rajan and Luigi Zingales's 'Saving capitalism from the capitalists'. Sorry for the digression, but Roy was being bracketed with D'Souza for no reason.
Haha...if that does not sound like a logical proof, I don't know what does. No wonder they wouldn't give him a Ph.D. -- in Princeton, or even in Stanford ;)
DTK - Did you find DD to be a very polite, soft spoken and almost humble sorta guy? He may be spewing a lot of garbage but when I met him earlier this year and spent a couple of hours with the guy, he did not strike me as your typical angry, o'reilly-esque, right wing nutjob type. Not defending him but he was suprisingly very likeable.
And thats my two cents on DD.
Man, D'Souza couldn't even come up with FRESH ways to call his political enemies terrorist sympathizers. All of this ground has been covered again and again by Coulter, Hannity, and Mike Savage for years now. It's not only idiotic, mindless, partisan polemicism, it's boring and dated too. This isn't fucking 2002.
So what is D'Souza saying that other talking heads on the right (your Coulters, Hannitys, Michael Savages and Hugh Hewitts) haven't already said? Old hat.
The funny/ironic thing is that the more outrage this "incendiary polemic" causes, the more unwarranted publicity the book and it's author get. D'Souza's laughing all the way to the bank.
D'Souza, the desi Uncle Tom, is so wrong and so ignorant on so many counts:
Actually both Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell blamed the cultural left for 9/11 right after it happened.
Firstly Islam has been around for 1400 years not 1300 years. Secondly, Islamic terrorism began with Mohammad himself 1400 years ago. Both the Quran and the Hadith gloat about it openly:
"How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them." (Allah in Quran 7:4-5)
"I have been made victorious with terror" (Mohammad in Sahih Bukhari 4.220)
Bin Laden has called his terrorism a war against the "crusaders". The crusaders were staunch catholics. Not a single secular leftist amongst them. And christians by quranic definition are unbelievers.
If they were genuine the Quran wouldn't rail against them for perverting the message of Allah. The christian Trinity and idol worship is anathema to muslim. Both jews and christians are condemned to Hell by the Quran.
Firstly, christians are not considered monotheists by the Quran. They are explicitly condemned for their belief that God had a son. Secondly, the polytheist and pantheist hindus were also tolerated as dhimmis by the muslim rulers of India. Dinesh is nothing but an euro-centric desi uncle tom.
So in his desire to form an alliance between american christians and conservative muslims this disgusting Indian is willing to fight the "pagans" of his motherland India along with the secularists of his adopted nation America? This boy is wicked.
The ignoramus has never heard of Taqqiya apparently. The Sheikh is lying through his teeth. Islam warred victoriously against christian Byzantium and still retains its territory including its capital Constantinople, now called Istanbul. The Hagia Sofia, the biggest church in christendom, was converted to a mosque. Anyone with half a brain would agree that was a war against christianity.
What he conveniently neglects to mention is that Qutb, the ideological father of Al-Qaeda, made that point over half a century ago based on his visit to America in 1948-50, long before the rise of the "cultural left"
that D'Souza blames for america's moral decay. This point effectively makes D'Souza a liar for peddling his prime argument: "without the cultural left, 9/11 would not have happened".
America is by far the most theist of the developed nations of the West. Its leader is a Bible-thumper who claims to have a "personal relationship with God". The generals of its armed forces and the overwhelming proportion of its soldiers are openly christian. One american general even taunted the muslims with the claim that his God was true while the muslim Allah was a false idol. And this moron thinks that America represents the forces of atheism!
This guy has made a complete fool of himself. His hatred for secularism identifies him as a traitor to America. For America was founded by Enlightened secularists, and the American Constitution is a secular document.
I think the comparisons made earlier between Roy & D'Souza are rather unfair. I do freely admit that I admire Roy and conversely deeply loathe D'Souza. Roy doesn't just write polemics but is an activist as well, and has been willing to give up her literary cachet to write from her convictions. D'Souza, on the other hand, is nothing but a political opportunist with a writing deficit. I went to Dartmouth too, after he graduated. His writing ( and its attendant lack of logic) has not evolved beyond the sophomoric sophistry of his Dartmouth Review days.
Dinesh has a point. OBL and co, as well as a large % or traditional muslin society, are repulsed by our decadent culture. The problem is that Moore, Sontag, and Chomsky have a point too. they also hate us for our foreign policy, which includes, among other things, US troops on the holy land (until recently) and support for Israel.
These truths are so self-evident they are almost banal. Its like saying the KKK is opposed to affirmative action, or that mcveigh was upset over ruby ridge. its a form of seeing the trees while missing the forest; or even worse, projecting our own grievances with the US onto terrorists which entails forwarding certain grievances while ignoring inconvenient ones.
But when it comes to Al qaeda, the KKK, Mcveigh, and the societies that produced them; I submit there is something going on beyond specific grievances. What that is, Ill leave dangling other to say I agree with our leader; they hate us because were free.
And for all the vitrol being aimed at Dinesh on this site, and for all of you who think his argument absurdly reductionist...I hope you can see your inner dsouza.
Manju, I agree that we have a little inner D'Souza within each of us. The only difference is that we are ashamed of it. As opposed to brazening it out on the Colbert Report while defending a book that has been roundly panned by critics. If I were him, I'd pretend I have a fracture and make excuses not to appear on talk shows.
DDiA:
By inner d'souza, i meant when we "blame America 1st" --as sean hannidy would put it--for 911. i'm not so much putting this impulse down, as saying its incomplete and hopelessly reductionist. chomsky, roy, and other's have a point--that US foreign policy is wrong (i disagree) and angers many to the point of becoming terrorists (i agree)--that makes many seethe (as does dinesh's) but is still taken seriously.
but dinesh is met with vitrol and mocking, because his truths are inconvenient to this narrative, though very parallel.
I do NOT have an inner D'Souza (thank god), but I may have a very tiny bit of inner residual liberal-foreign-policy groupthink that America's foreign policy has at least partially, indirectly resulted the debacles of the last decade. But, let's get one thing straight -- D'Souza just hasn't really researched what *really* and truly grinds the gears of OBL and co. I mean, has he bothered to read pick up any number of those books that came out after 9/11 about Al Qaeda?
D'Souza's contention is that it is "American Decadence" and primarily, nay exclusively, that supposed issue that motivates extremists of Bin Ladin's vein is patently not a truth (and is an absurd suspicion to have)! The primary concern of Al Qaeda was always regional and regarding American presence in the Middle East. That D'Souza is considered a scholar is a travesty (he has all of a BA in English); his ignorance and lack of understanding of basic elements of Jihadist ideology, and recent Middle East history are inexcusable.
Notwithstanding his anti-libertarian and anti-Enlightment (where's Spinoza when you need him?) understanding and notion of 'traditionalism', the many explicitly wrong facts cited, and glaring logical flaws in his argument are why this book deserves the vitriol it is receiving. Rishwain Scholar my foot! As someone who has had the pleasure of demolishing D'Souza's arguments in a writing class back in University (and getting an A for my troubles) I continue to be baffled by the credence given him by logical and reasonable conservatives, and the Hoover Institution.
A much better read on 9/11 and the Left is Paul Berman's Terror and Liberalism.
During his university years, D'Souza did some Mad Magazine sort of writing, sexist and I guess, in his own weird way, racist. However, he is not a serious thinker and not worth the time taken to brush him off your sweater.
If he believes what he writes, he is also hopelessly obstuse. More likely he doesn't believe in anything except making a buck and a name for himself, and is basically a paid shrill for the "neocons." Washington and its satellites are crawling with them.
u were right the 1st time. he says "primarily", not exclusively. he conceeds their visceral rage is a reaction to foreign policy and their own prjudices, as well as american decadence (which he considers the primary source).
Manju, I see your point about reductionist "blame America first" arguments by wingnuts on both sides. However, that is precisely the reason why Dinesh is met with vitriol and mocking.
I don't think that Dinesh's derision derives (haha alliteration) from the inconvenience of his truths alone. As a matter of that, academic types love themselves some inconvenient truth. There is some element of truth to his statements, but to have that as a central thesis is to divert the reader away from the core drivers of terrorism. If we were to rank the order of importance of reasons "why they hate us", Dinesh's reason would come up only in the bottom half of that list.
It is mostly because, like jackal says, his central thesis "American shamelessness enrages Islamic fundamentalists, so we should behave nicer" is both insignificant and wrong.
Insignificant because Islamic fundamentalists have more deep-rooted strategic reasons for attacking America. Americans banning gay-marriage and repealing Roe-v-wade will not make America "nice enough" for the terrorists not to attack. It is not like they will take a look at it and mutter "hmm, these people are nice and conservative, let us not threaten them". Israel and Arab cultures (and conservatism) is shockingly similar. That does not make the Israeli nation more liked by the Islamic fundamentalists.
Wrong because it is patently untrue that banning sex-on-TV is enough. Even ultra-conservative American culture is not conservative enough to the Islamic fundamentalists. They actually believe that women and men must not mingle (think Church socials) and that bankers must not levy interest (think church investments managed by fund-managers who invest heavily in nice interest-bearing securities). No matter how far Americans move to the right, it still looks hippie-left when viewed from the fundamentalist's perspective.
DDiA:
i more or less agree w/ you. if anything, d'souzas book may expose the limits of the "why do they hate us" argument/question (which i do believe is a legit question). i think his identification of american "cultural imperialism" (ie decadence) as a main cause of "fear of democratization" in the islamic world is a good counterpoint to the hopelessly simplistic "they hate us b/c we support their dictators" argument.
sometimes these "wingnuts"...a.roy, d'souza, chomsky, d. pipes...have interesting and often-ignored truths lurking w/i the polemics.
I do not have an inner or outer D'Souza, thank you very much. Taking a hard look at where America's foreign policy has led this country is one thing. Sloppy writing that weakly suggests that gays and maggot-eaters brought 9/11 upon the nation is a whole other story and nothing to be proud of, even if you are politically conservative.
The Dartmouth Review may have fancied itself to be "Mad magazine'-esque but in my experience they were utterly serious about maligning everything not politically Neanderthal in an irresponsible manner. He was a big part of that and and as I said, apperantly hasn't refined much about his research and writing style since then.
Most of y'all are right, though, he is a laughable hack and I don't have time to take him seriously.
Sidlicious,
It's so sad that Sepia Mutiny decided to delete my last post on you without even a warning or note to me. I don't like reading sites that randomly delete posts without comment. As a result I'll have to remain silent from now on, but rest assured that I'm still reading you, and still enjoying getting stimulated by you...intellectually, at least.
love forever, your secret admirer
I'd agree with that statement, and I've actually read "Letters to a Young Conservative" and "Illiberal Education." The intellectual level is comparable to that of a freshman who's just discovered Ayn Rand or Karl Marx.
What puzzles me is that D'Souza is a fellow of the Hoover Institute-- there are some serious people working there, even if you disagree with their politics. How he got a job there is beyond me.
Speedy
PS: you can't strictly compare Roy to D'Souza. Roy is shrill and hysterical when it comes to politics, true enough, but at least there's some intellectual honesty there. I disagree with her on pretty much everything, but at least it's an honest disagreement. D'Souza is pretty much making stuff up. A better comparison (if you're looking for a D'Souza counterpart on the left) would be Michael Moore.
well i do welcome the psec civil war between the mughal-wannabe roy and the brit-licker d'souza. notice that their approach to india is the basically same while their allegiances to the ummah or to whitey may differ considerably. signficantly, they are also both aligned as "leftists" in india against the indigineous cultures.
Alumni network, anyone?
i thought illiberal ed was solid. it's no "closing of thse american mind"--which is rich, elegant, and complex--but it lays down a very cogent critique of the modern university betraying liberal education...a thesis which has since become generally accepted today (even by liberals like arthur schlessinger jr) and a problem that continues in a diminished form. (for example, duke's clueless group of 86).
dinish is a solid middle brow thinker. i would take him about as seriously as chris mathews. he's also a VERY skilled debater.
as far as rand and marx goes, he doesn't really strike me as a hard core ideologue. i don't think that's where he coming from as he's a mixture of libertarian (illiberal ed) and classic conservative (enemy at home). i think he likes to pick fights with intellectual orthodoxy, and shock them by overcompensating in the other direction (like he did at the darthmouth review).
I question his libertarian credentials, especially in light of this latest book of his -- see http://www.classicalvalues.com/archives/004470.html for a good dissection of this.
He comes across mostly as an opportunist to me. And while he may be on par (imho, much lower.. closer to Michael Moore) with a Chris Matthews or someone similar, the key difference is that he purports to be a "Scholar". Chris Matthews makes no such claim, and this is why he deserves our scorn and castigation. He portrays himself, and is portrayed by others, as an academic and scholar, but fails to meet the minimal standards of academia (citations, fact-checking, editing, peer-review) in his works.
I do hope that this book spells the demise of his credibility among most conservatives, as it rightly should. As others have pointed out, Fareed Zakaria is probably much more widely known and read nowadays, and looks like he won't face much competition on the intellectual front from D'Souza for the title of 'most prominent desi in U.S. political debate'.
A delightful skewering of Roy was done by Tavleen Singh in her Dec '06 column.
"In her introduction to the pamphlet, Ms Roy poses thirteen questions in a childish gimmick that implies there would have been fourteen if the attack had happened the day after."
- my favourite part of the linked Tavleen Singh column.
Quizman,
Thanks for that link of Tavleen Singh's article.
I found this little gem in that article:
How is it that Ms. Roy is still taken seriously ??? Isnt it amazing ???
RC,
People who take her seriously are the same sort who hate India and the US (and I use that word carefully). Note that these folks forget that for all the faults that India and the US have, they allow constructive and critical dialogue. I don't see the same kind of venal hatred by these lefties to China (inspite of genocide in Tibet, censorship, oppression etc), Saudi Arabia (countless human rights abuses) and so on. [Note, I am not talking about the criticism that we do here on SM or folks like Andrew Sullivan do to specific US policies.)
They criticise the US and India, because theyget a platform. The great feminist Madhu Kishwar of Manushi had written excellent articles on this sort. See this, this and this. She asked specifically of the Anti-globalization brigade (with Roy as the shrill 'head'):
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Those who seriously oppose the inflow of foreign investments in India ought to set an example by resolving in Mumbai that:
a) They will not take consultancies with foreign aid organisations;
b) They will not write books for foreign publishers;
c) They will write textbooks only for Indian readers and publish only with desi publishers rather than for imperialist Wests intellectual markets
d) They will run their NGOs only with local resources;
e) They will not take teaching or research assignments in foreign universities;
f) They will not participate in global networks financed by international donor agencies of imperialist countries to fight local causes;
g) They will not issue press releases to international news channels about local issues and struggles in India.
If the government were to impose similar restrictions on their receiving foreign money as they would like to impose on lesser mortals in the industrial sector and the farm sector, our NGOs would go screaming all over the world that their democratic rights and civil liberties are being violated. They want a jet-setting globalised politics for themselves but a closed-door economy for Indian farmers and industry.
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Read the articles in full.
The real reason Dinesh D'Souza has gotten so far is simply because he fulfills the need for a colored face to front for white racism towards blacks. There are other desis like him as well, using scientific quackery to "prove" that africans are genetically inferior to whites and that desis are actually the same race under their skin as their white masters. Whats funny and obscene at the same time is that these uncle toms themselves look like nerdy black-americans, albeit with wavy hair. Here's a desi-american take on Dinesh:
http://www.progressive.org/node/4444
"As a fellow Indian immigrant, I have a particular interest in DSouza. I have been following his work since the early 1990s, when he first made a name for himself with Illiberal Education, which lambasted the supposed epidemic of political correctness on campuses by stringing together the worst incidents of this phenomenon and making it seem like an all-pervasive curse across the nation. He followed this up a few years later with The End of Racism, which posited that African Americans suffer from inherent cultural pathologies that keep them down. The books take on race was so vile that two African-American conservatives associated with the American Enterprise Institute, Glenn Loury and Robert Woodson, resigned from the think tank in protest over The End of Racism and Charles Murrays Bell Curve. Both DSouza and Murray were fellows at American Enterprise. The End of Racism wasnt the first time that DSouza has faced accusations of racial bias. When he was the editor of the Dartmouth Review as an undergrad, it published an interview with a former leader of the Ku Klux Klan, using a mock photograph of a black man hanging from a campus tree, the Post reports."
"The Enemy at Home is so ridiculous that I dont even know where to begin my demolition job. Much of it is a tiresome rant at the perceived excesses of the left, rather than a coherent attempt to buttress his thesis statements. It is true, as DSouza points out, that bin Laden has, on occasion, decried the moral decline of America. However, bin Ladens main grouse with the United States has been its foreign policy, ranging from its stationing of troops in Saudi Arabia and support of Israel to the sanctions on Iraq in the 1990s and support of pro-Western autocracies. (Messages to the World: The Statements of Osama bin Laden, edited by Duke University Professor Bruce Lawrence, is a useful compendium of bin Ladens public declarations over the years.) DSouza knows this, and hence in a sleight of hand focuses a lot of attention on the writings of earlier Islamic fundamentalists like Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood ideologue Sayyid Qutb.
As for DSouzas assertion that the liberal-left resembles Islamic radicals since both groups share a critique of the United States, his logic follows a path like this: The Nazis and American conservatives shared a passionate dislike for communism and socialism. Ergo, conservatives and Nazis have had a similar worldview.
DSouzas logic is so over the top that on The Colbert Report, he even blamed FDR in part for setting off the chain of events that culminated in 9/11. Bizarrely, he admitted to Colbert that he shared some of Osamas assessment about the immorality of American culture.
DSouza has reportedly made good money over the years through his books and lecture appearances, satisfying the rights desire to have a nonwhite face amplifying its most ludicrous assertions. Maybe the moolah he has raked in compensates him enough for selling his soul."
SOLID? ... to manipulate the worlds of Martin Luther King, the world's most famous Black civil rights leader, and say that his dream had been 'destroyed' by affirmative action?
it was a SOLID piece of shit when I glanced through it to use it for an essay on affirmative action. And now he's got another crapfest to add to the collection.
In fact, D'Souza's writing is an insult to intelligent right-wing thinkers and analysts - can't think of any right now (hmmm...), but there are articulate, engaging right-leaning bloggers on this site, like Vinod.
If you do roll on the other side of the fence, WHY would you use Dinesh D'Souza as an exemplary writer?... He's just...there are no words for him...just one of the biggest PRICKS any community has ever seen.
i don't have my copy in front of me, but if i recall it begins with a case study of an asian student who doesn't get into berkley despite much higher grades and sat score than admitted blacks, and higher even than admitted whites. if i recall berkley was using a system where applicants were compared within their particular ethnic group, which has since been dropped, exonerting d'souza.
i don't know if he "manipulated" mlks words, using mlk "dream" speech as an argument against AA has been a staple conservative argument, and its fair even though mlk would probably approve of AA. d'souza showed the human cost in his case study. that AA could be used to discriminate against another minority is a powerful argument. i thopught it was DD at his best, and the title of the book "illiberal..." shows it is this work where he finds the most common ground with liberalism. after all, anyone who has read marx or marcuse knows it is liberalism, not conservatism, that is their real target.
well, i guess that explains the ann coulter/laura ingaram thing.
D'Souza quite clearly is just trying to make money by going Coulter on us. Compare the SF Chronicle op-ed quoted above, with one D'Souza wrote for the same publication in 2003, where he says America actually is more virtuous than Muslim nations because we *choose* our virtue.
It won't work though, while both their faces posess the same amount of masculinity, Ann does have nicer legs. Republicans can therefore masturbate physically and mentally to Coulter's "work", where as D'Souza's only offers the latter. If anyone deserves the monicker uncle tom, it's him.
How is it fair to take one line out of context, from quite possibly the only speech he's ever read into intently? D'souza claims he's read "every word the man has written" but seems to have skipped this paragraph, from the book 'Why we can't wait', published 1963,
"Whenever this issue of compensatory or preferential treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree, but he should ask for nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic. For it is obvious that if a man enters the starting line of a race three hundred years after another man, the first would have to perform some incredible feat in order to catch up."
or how about this one
"A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for him, in order to equip him to compete on a just and equal basis." [link]
I don't have much use for the 'great feminist' Madhu Kishwar ever since she turned apologist for sati - she takes her personal chip on the shoulder about desis overseas and defensiveness a bit far, and it's an embarrassment to her (not to mention a waste of her obvious intelligence and energy).
Outlook had an article on why desis love to hate Arundhati Roy, and while I have mixed feelings about Roy myself, I enjoyed it. Tavleen Singh writes very intelligently even though I disagree with her about almost everything, but she's lost a good deal of credibility in the journalistic community for switching her positions based on who she's dating at the moment...most famously, her radical about-turn on the BJP in the early 1990s, so I'd want to see her citation for the Roy quote rather than take it on faith...
The one vaguely interesting thing Dinesh D'Souza pointed out was that conservative Americans agree with the likes of OBL about American decadence, and that's actually been written about - far more intelligently - by Margalit and Buruma in "Occidentalism."
jihadi wannabe arundhati would do well if she could reach the honesty levels of a kishwar or a tavleen within a few lifetimes. but rather than discussing personalities, wouldn't it make more sense to found out why americans are funding both "leftist" islamic and "rightist" missionary strains of psec opinion in india. surely, they are not seaching for higher truths!! the latest cases being promotion of sundry romilas, jindals, and udit rajs..
stewart probably did the ultimate deep six on psecs like arundhati in the following piece: see insight on india and pakistan: http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_daily_show/videos/john_hodgman/index.jhtml
Troll Singh - it's the intellectual honesty or lack thereof that I was trying to point out re: Madhu Kishwar and Tavleen Singh. There are many points on which I agree with and admire Kishwar (e.g. criticising leftist economic dinosaurs, commitment to making a difference on the ground rather than going on the speaking tour circuit) but her beef with lefties who take foreign money or Indians overseas who "exploit" their nationality and claim to speak for all India are really over the top and I can't take her too seriously in that regard (also hypocritical as she writes in English and arguably claims to speak for all of Indian womanhood). The point of the sati article was to show how nutty she can be in her defensiveness of "the people's culture" and "elite intellectuals."
Quizman said:
With due respect, I take Roy seriously (though don't agree with her on everything) and don't fit any of these criteria, actually. Perhaps some indian lefties apologise for China these days. But everyone I know who admires Roy strongly opposes the likes of Saudi Arabia (I mean, what's not to hate for a lefty - oppressive oil-rich misognynistic monarchy). Roy may go a bit overboard in her bashing of corporations and globalisation but she lives her democratic principles, seems genuinely committed to the poor and their interests, and certainly doesn't deserve the kind of strong reaction that she's got from a lot of people in India (e.g. the attempt by, was it the Gujarat govt, a few years ago to hold her in contempt of court and try to arrest her for some political criticism).
To be fair, this book has been roundly criticized by lots of people on the right. Big time.
You know, D'Souza is really no different from wacko leftists who say that American deserved 9-11 for "insert pet cause here". Note, I say wacko leftists, not progressives or Democrats. There are wacko rightists, too. I'm not sure what his purpose was with this book, other than book sales.......I thought Letters to a Young Conservative was a bit simple-minded, but basically okay. I haven't read the current book in question and doubt I will.
SP but her beef with lefties who take foreign money or Indians overseas who "exploit" their nationality and claim to speak for all India are really over the top and I can't take her too seriously in that regard
You missed her point. It was not as if she opposes getting foreign grants. She just wants those who oppose foreign investment to practice what they preach. I agree with her. Roy, Patkar and others of their ilk (notably Vandana Shiva) want multinationals out of India, but they do not hesitate to go on the US lecture circuit, especially in Universities whose programs are funded by the very same multinationals they oppose. That is the hypocrisy that Kishwar was pointing out. Why is it okay for these 'celebrities' and not okay for a lower middle class guy to have employment opportunities to work in India?
Btw, Kishwar also writes and speaks in Hindi.
What left-leaning political commentator who has significant publishing and distribution capacity (as D'Souza has) would ever state America deserved 9-11? I'd be interested in any examples you had in mind when making that statement.
Susan Sontag?
HMF: I don't think you got my point. My point was, there were commenters who said 9-11 happened because of such and such a policy, which slips into the, you kind of deserved it because of: your relations with Israel, Mid-East policy, imperialism, etc, etc. You know what I mean. Don't be such a partisan-type.
My point was, there were commenters who said 9-11 happened because of such and such a policy, which slips into the, you kind of deserved it because of: your relations with Israel, Mid-East policy
There is a difference between saying that 9-11 happened because of US Mid-East Policy and the US deserved 9-11. No serious left wing analyst is making the claim that America deserved 9-11.
Also Dinesh D Souza is not that fringe. He is pretty mainstream in conservative circles. His other vile books were all loudly cheered by the right wing.
Poor wording on my part. Both D'Souza and Sontag say 9-11 happened because of certain things certain Americans have done. Better wording?
Jeez, guys.
Susan Sontag's not fringe, dude. And may she rest in peace.
Not sure what quote you're speaking of, but a quick wiki search turns up:
"Where is the acknowledgment that this was not a 'cowardly' attack on 'civilization' or 'liberty' or 'humanity' or 'the free world' but an attack on the world's self-proclaimed superpower, undertaken as a consequence of specific American alliances and actions? How many citizens are aware of the ongoing American bombing of Iraq? And if the word "cowardly" is to be used, it might be more aptly applied to those who kill from beyond the range of retaliation, high in the sky, than to those willing to die themselves in order to kill others. In the matter of courage (a morally neutral virtue): Whatever may be said of the perpetrators of Tuesday's slaughter, they were not cowards."
While this quote might not sit well with most, it's nowhere near "America deserved 9-11" The most contentious component I'd say is, "...undertaken as a consequence of specific American alliances and actions?", but seriously, who gets in planes and flies them into buildings unless they feel compelled to for whatever reason? (Not that I agree, condone, or even believe those events achieved what the terrorists wanted) But a good vs evil categorization is presidential at best, destructive at worst.
Did you read my subsequent clarification, HMF? There is a symmetry in what D'Souza says and what Sontag says, provided you believe that it is really the radical Islamist ideology that is the reason that 9-11 happened, whatever 'provocations' Osama gives as justifications.
You say:
then follow it up with:
I'll let that irony speak for itself.
Nice ellipses. Why did you leave the rest of my quote out? Do you work for the Times? I followed it up with: there are wackos on the right, too.
Sorry, but the "there are wackos on the right, too" read like an afterthought, very much a CYA clause.
If it's totally disconnected from American action, and is solely radical Islamist ideology as you put it, why hasn't each majority Christian nation gotten planes into their buildings (London, Mumbai, Madrid all have been hit, but I think even you'd agree the biggest notch in Al Qaida's belt is an attack on the US)? How did America get the largest bullseye ?