;-( T&V instead of T&A ;-(

red star man is on her thing-a-ma-jig

I also had an auntie call it a "shame shame"...in fact there was a whole rhyme that she would say if anyone exposed themselves:

Shame shame puppy shame
All the donkeys know your name!

I really don't know where or how she came up with that one...I never did understand how the puppy was supposed to be involved. Bizarre.

Friend of a friend called it her "down there area." She was still a virgin in her 30's.

I think we should keep the posts somewhat intellectual and less bollywood gossip.. I have not learned anything of value from this post; but I too have heard that shame shame rhyme..

Anna, I followed the links... Yes, I own up. I did it. And when I got to Shamita's picture, I went, for the first time ever - Man, she has really nice eyebrows. :)

But, there must be more to the story. What's the 'full' scoop on this, does anyone have it?

While the concept of shame, and the sense of shame about the naked human body and its parts exists in all human cultures, it is especially strong in South Asia. It is also tightly wound up with a more general sense of shame, and titles such Shame by Rushdie and Lajja("Shame") by Nasrin reflect both its extraordinary pervasiveness in South Asian cultures and its vivid descriptiveness as a metaphor.

The homonymic 'sharam' in Hindi/Urdu/Punjabi/other languages is also a synonym for shame.

And it's gender-neutral - little boys are also taught to be 'ashamed' - that is their soo-soo and also their shame-shame.

Demystification. Disinhibition. Talk it. See it. Think it. And do not be ashamed. Way to go. Thanks, Anna.

after seeing this picture, i tried getting my mom to offer a proposal to shamita on shaadi.com. but she was nowhere to be found. what a shame shame :(

If you want the NSFW version, we have a link over at UberDesi. Yeah I know, we are those guys your momma did not want you to meet.

I thought that Shetty was the one who was all I am a good Indian who doesn't do these things that these westerners do. Oh well, we're all hypocritcal

I adore Sharon for her Happynonoplace. Um. not literally.

I'm planning to fedex Braun shaver to Shammy. Anyone has her Bombay address ?

I think we should keep the posts somewhat intellectual and less bollywood gossip.

I think we should keep the posts as varied as they are, so everyone finds something they like.

I have not learned anything of value from this post;

And I have never learned anything of value from your comments, but it's all good. :D More tolerance, less shame shame.

somewhat intellectual and less bollywood gossip.

Machan, You did see the picture right?

My question: Where are the effigies? Paging Ubermetromallu. Do we have a few in stock, I could swing by and pick some up, just for the heck of it.

If not for her forgetting her knickers, someone should be burning something because of this. It's not me, but the logic that dictates this.

Wow, I have been away from India for a LOOOOONG time if hot young C-list Bollywood hangers-on can go around flashing their vajayjays...

Imagine if Richard Gere had been the one accidentally lifting her skirt up instead of her own 'oops, did I flash that?' hand...

I'm guessing her behaviour will be blamed on the influence of bad white people like him who go around kissing people and doing crazy shit like that...

And I'm also guessing she is in BIG trouble with her Mummy...with one lift of the skirt, so many eligible biodatas just whoooooshhed away... :p

I think she is jealous of her sister since Shilpa is getting more fan base...But trust me .. this gal can come to US and join Sunny Leone camp as intern ! She got some good future here in US than in India..

I'm planning to fedex Braun shaver to Shammy.

Thank you! Ugh...someone should start Indian Brazilian waxing! Actually, is that done there?

someone should start Indian Brazilian waxing! Actually, is that done there?

Mango pickle! Paging MANGO PICKLE! :D

In case some of you are new and don't remember her-- "Mango Pickle" was the handle of a very fun commenter who was consumed with all things hair-removal-related. It sounds weird but it was mad cute. :) I hope she comes back one of these days, she'd love the recent furriness on SM. ;)

Purrrrrr!

MEOOOWWWWZA!

they're like ashley and heather simpson, except, as russel peters would point out, both are hairier

by the way, is Shame Shame a pronoun?

When we were kids, we used to call it "USA"
Under Skirt Area :)

Wow, I wasn't reading carefully and I thought it was Shilpa with a few extra pounds. They look so alike!

When we were kids, we used to call it "USA"

Hee :)

lol anna is so adorable with her little eccentric observances..
Mahn no actress in the world would take having inhibitions as a plus point..how much do these people even care about "accidentally" showing their em goodies?!

''chachaji: While the concept of shame, and the sense of shame about the naked human body and its parts exists in all human cultures, it is especially strong in South Asia''

Chachaji, I think you have a point there...South Asia and East Asia have a strong 'shame' and 'honor' based societies...social constraints are imposed based on 'shame and honor' on the younger generation to uphold certain values.Every action is evaluated based on whether it brings shame or dishonor to the family.In the case of boys,witness the pressure to do well in school or it will bring shame to mummy and daddy...or for girls, marrying outside clan/caste bringing shame to family/clan/

Most of the time, If these values are broken,for eg.elopement with a lower caste boy or marrying outside the faith, the shame that is brought on the family can only be redeemed through punishment often by killing the person involved...you just have to read the newsreports coming from south asian,west asian diaspora in the UK/europe/US or India

while it was nauseating to hear Shilpa defend Richard Gere saying it was Ok for him to kiss because it was part of 'HIS CULTURE', I wonder if she will defend her sister flashing pubes in public as a part of 'Her Culture'

Shame-shame can be an adjective and a noun. Is sort of used in the same sense as the phrase Down There or You Know What.

And yeah, Shamita looks a LOT like her sister!

Wow, I wasn't reading carefully and I thought it was Shilpa with a few extra pounds. They look so alike!

Glad I was not the only one who noticed that. I actually thought it was a picture of Shilpa before I saw Shamita's name.

I think the industry is changing in India because this picture would not have been published 10 years back. They also publicized the kiss between Kareena Kapoor and her boyfriend Shahid Kapoor.

Now, how long do we have to wait to get our own Linday Lohan?

after seeing this picture, i tried getting my mom to offer a proposal to shamita on shaadi.com. but she was nowhere to be found. what a shame shame :(

A friend of mine dated her in high school. Pity he died in a car accident.

I'm planning to fedex Braun shaver to Shammy. Anyone has her Bombay address ?

Dont remember the flat number, I have been to her house 5 years ago. Its a bldg called Aditya in MHADA Andheri

It took me years to figure out that when my guju mom was saying "sem-sem" as in "Don't run around sem-sem" or "sem-sem kem fareche?" it was probably related to the word "shame"

This is not just Shamita without her chaddis. She's doing this on purpose. Anybody notice that she's got dress intentionally pulled up. Who's there at exactly the right moment to take this picture? Shamita and the photographer are working together on this.

When we were kids, we used to call it "USA

Gawd, we need some pu$$y control in the USA. USA reminds me that there was a whole series of such acronyms as kids - Russia, Japan, Paris, etc etc. All of them pretty lame but perverted enough to have a following.

A great week for Indian girls!

Apropos a recent running joke on SM, ANNA will be relieved to hear of the conclusion of a great moral dilemma that had been of concern to us all. A breathless friend forwards me the best news he's heard in ages:

Sunny Leone Renews Vivid Contract, Will Perform with Men(link)

(slightly NSFW)

Now I exactly know why Shilpa and her mom visited all temples in her native place...to pray for her sister :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji_Q60VdJAg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edaijiworld%2Ecom%2Ftvdaijiworld%2Ftvhome%2Easp%3Ftv%5Fid%3D279

Right. Super googling has allowed me to see that picture uncensored and sans red star. All I'm saying is that it reminded me I need to mow the lawn in my front garden.

No need to super google my brotha, we already have the link. Just head on over to this post on Uberdesi.

I must not lie I had to take a peek at the non censored,somewhere Sharon Stone is plotting an encore.

Always intrigued me that one of the Punjabi terms for the penis is also the same word used for a parrot; seems very similar to the way "cock" or "pecker" are used in English. Is there something inherently avian about the male member? Does this lead to acute embarassment in Punjabi bird sanctuaries? Do Punjabi's read

Treasure Island

And am I the only one who has nightmares about the thought of a talking penis asking for a cracker?

You think that's scary...try visualizing a parrot in your pants!

This is shameful Anna. Please keep in mind that this girl is someone daughter too. Think what your dad would have gone through if this was a picture of you? I can't beleive that you of all people would post this.

Dear Dad,

A few things...

1) You are so right; it is shameful, for HER.

2) I do agree that this is someone's daughter and they must be terribly upset, which leads me to...

3) my own beloved Father, who taught me that ladies keep their damned legs together...and they wear knickers.

4) He would have gone through nothing, b/c I, while shameless and a camera-whore, am not and never will be THIS shameless.

5) I can believe that I of all people would post this, because it was funny and that title was too awesome to go to waste. Besides, several of our readers sent it in as a tip/News item.

Now it seems from your IP that you've never commented here, so I'll take your reprimand with an entire case of salt. :)

to post #41.

Why do I have the feeling that "The 40 year old virgin" was based on your life?

And to answer Anna's question, I think one of the members of Bel, Biv,DeVoe, is a real estate agent for ReMax or something.

Also on the theme of Bel, Biv, Devoe, I remembered my favorite scene from "Srubs"

Here is Turk dancing to "poison"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fvVZegDnbJU

Here is Turk dancing to "poison"

That was AWESOME! :D

It's just sad Anna. Didn't expect it.
Regardless of what she didn't wear and how tempting the headline was, it isn't right.
I hope you think about this. I have not commented before but do read regularly.
I said I didn't expect this from you because you too have been a victim of a sexual assault in the past.
Spreading pictures like these is truly shameful, especially when posted by a women.

This is old news in the motherland i think. I saw this pic in a trashy tabloid while i was passing the time in a hair salon in delhi in early march.

Folks - This is just a promo for Karan Johar's new family friendly film about two sisters seeking love in a big, bad world. It is called Kabhi Coochie Kabhi Gums.

poster "Dad"

You just took 1st place in the "dick head of the day" contest.

Your reward is a gun with one bullet to shoot yourself with.

Spreading pictures like these is truly shameful

Oh the irony.

Look 'Dad', you're wrong, ANNA did nothing shameful at all. You on the other hand try to berate and brow beat into 'shame' a woman anonymously over the internet, like a bullying patriarch. Shamita Shetty didnt wear any panties and she went out in a mini skirt. She was photographed, and she probably half had in her mind the thought of getting some publicity. That's all. I think the shame accrues to you for your humourlessness, old style bullying, pomposity, and the wielding of the old 'shame' canard towards ANNA like it's a rusty knife of definitive argument or something. G-Dawg's post up above might be a good place to begin your education. Stop bullying ANNA.

I've been insulted, maligned and appalled by many things said to me on this website, but this:

I said I didn't expect this from you because you too have been a victim of a sexual assault in the past.

...was so out-of-line, I almost vomited. Are you sincerely comparing my rape to some Bollywood starlet forgetting to put her panties on and then lifting her dress for photographers? I didn't choose to be assaulted. I didn't deliberately choose to wake up with someone on top of me, with their hand covering my mouth to muffle my screams. Shamita chose to not wear underwear. She made a choice. She had a choice. I did not have a choice. No one asked, "would you like to be raped?"

Your statement is so awful, I hope you're a troll, because I'd hate to think that nice people would see things the way you do. Shamita Shetty is a victim of sexual assault? Because she didn't wear knickers and now that's public? That's an insult to rape survivors everywhere, as far as I and all logical, sensitive people are concerned.

I'm not the first person to report this and I won't be the last. And what you conveniently overlook is how if anything, I paid scant attention to her-- most of the post is about strange names for private parts and old R+B groups. It's not like I condemned her for doing this. It's filed under humour. It was just funny.

Spreading pictures like these is truly shameful, especially when posted by a women.

Why, because I'm required to stand in solidarity with someone who is sloppy with her wardrobe, just because we both have vaginas? And what are you implying, that it's okay when MEN post about this? To me, if anything, it's less creepy that I did it vs. one of the guys, especially since I sandwiched it between much more light-hearted and innocent stuff. But whatever. I'm done speaking with you and I hope YOU think about what you've said and done here-- your sense of perspective desperately needs an adjustment.

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The infamous "rape" post he referenced in a way that is wrong on so many levels is here.

Dad - evidently you equate the mere sight of a woman's genitals with an invitation to sexual violence. THAT SPEAKS FRIGHTENING VOLUMES ABOUT YOU and says NOTHING about the person who posted this. I suggest you see a counsellor immediately, as you are probably an abuser-in-the-making. Either that or you are a male who is not yet reconciled to the fact that healthy female sexuality and freedom are NOT LINKED TO VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN.

For the rest: I am sick and tired of this particular blogger's past being thrown into her face and used to qualify every fucking thing she writes about. This is typical of the way women are abused, re-abused, and abused again. Have the goddamned grace to accept what she did as a gift to the South Asian community and leave it at that.

"Dad" - your post is poor on so many levels, it is not even worth elaborating on. But keep the torch flying, dude! If preserving our old fashioned values of honor and modesty require us to demean other people and strike low blows, such is the price we have to pay.

I said I didn't expect this from you because you too have been a victim of a sexual assault in the past.

Are you kidding me? Dad, you have to compare apples with apples.

How could you equate both things?

What the **** were you thinking?

Would you be comparing what Shamita did to what Anna is suffering through, if Anna was your own daughter?

Red snapper, I will give him 5 more rounds, it looks like he is a klutz anyways. He just might need it.

Dad,

You are the kind of hypcoritical jerk that makes me ashamed that worthless idiots like you exist. Theres an as$hole moron like you in every city, in every function, in every family, obsessed with morality, with monitoring others and thinking that he has the right to offer patronizing stupid BS as advice. F**k it, if I were near you, I would have punched your lights out, for just being on the same planet as jerks like you. Dear sir, SOD OFF.
And may you be a dad only in name, because your kids would be ashamed to have a klutz like you as their father. Oh meri beti ne apna shame shame dikha diya, log kya kahenge!

Unfortunately, Dad is doing something quite common (in many cultures) and his remarks are symptomatic of a larger problem. He is linking so-called 'immodesty' and mere images of a woman's body with sexual violence. In other words, Dad belongs to the middle ages and thinks rape is primarily a sexual act and not an act about brutality and power. All over India you will hear things like 'well, she was dressed like a prostitute and so she got attacked' or 'girls these days are so independent, when they are raped there is no one there to protect them'. Dad is from this backward school of thought.

my own beloved Father, who taught me that ladies keep their damned legs together...and they wear knickers.

clearly he never knew the benefits of going commando, or so my femme friends tell me...

and "dad", do you advocate keeping the womenfolk barefoot and pregnant at all times too?

"dad" shame shame on you.

....

He is linking so-called 'immodesty' and mere images of a woman's body with sexual violence. In other words, Dad belongs to the middle ages and thinks rape is primarily a sexual act and not an act about brutality and power.

exactly!

um..yeah "dad" you just made yourself look like a "shame shame"

Dad, however misguided, I believe that you believe your heart was in the right place and you were coming from a place of compassion and respect for women. As you can see from the flurry of posts, our opinions differ. Fine. But in that last comment, you crossed the line with a highly inappropriate, insulting, and ignorant comparision. Please refrain from firing off another comment and take a little time to mull over what others have posted--and why you owe Anna an apology.

Anna, you are such an admirable soul. I've no doubt that you make YOUR dad, wherever he may be, proud every day. It's conflict (e.g., when we're under attack) that reveals true human nature, our true colors. And you prove time and again that you are made of very admirable stuff. It makes me smile to read how you handle the obstacles life throws you and to watch you grow.

Dad-

Please note the following: a victim of crime has nothing to be ashamed of. For example, if you are burglarized, there is no shame. If you are robbed or stabbed or shot, there is no shame. If you are a victim of an assault and battery, you have nothing to be ashamed about. If a murder takes place, no one is ashamed of the deceased. So why is a victim of rape supposed be ashamed? But that is exactly the basis of your statement in #46, isn't it? ... that a victim of rape should feel ashamed, and that because of her shame, she should have more empathy to another's potential shame.

But none of us are ashamed of Anna. And obviously Anna is not ashamed of Anna. So really the only person who thinks Anna is ashamed of Anna is you. This is your own baggage.

Waiting for an apology.

so there is not a chance that this could have been an accident and not an indecent exposure? no benefit of doubt?
OR
so she stoops to the lowest level and what r u guys doing? giving her more publicity?

I took it that Dad was in solidarity with Shetty

there are ways to do that without trivializing violent rape. f**k shetty, she's not the point at all in this angle of the thread. it's just unseemly to use an analogy to rape without extreme cause, especially when making specific and precise reference to someone's personal history. it just wasn't right.

I think we should stop making a story out of a comment and get back to the actual post or move on to another post. I say this because this seems to happen a lot. When there are more comments about a comment then the actual post then we've all gotten off track.

Lets get back to the original post, whats the rationale behind this post? Shetty showed off her privates to the public. The Question is, Does it merit a post in a forum like the Sepia Mutiny? I dont think so.
It's like you are giving Shetty more notorious publicity or celebrating her carelessness.

Well, getting back to the original post... As I was reading this delightful humor piece which could inspire a wonderful desi version of the acclaimed "Vagina Monologues" play (I think I read this has been done in Mumbai, but I don't know the particulars, and I might have dreamt it), I was wondering if Shamita had seen the foreign film BABEL? Reminds me of a character/scene in the movie...

The Question is, Does it merit a post in a forum like the Sepia Mutiny? I dont think so.

That's your opinion, it's been stated by others too, but it's not the only one. One thing we don't need is prudery after the fact, or at any time for that matter. What you are asking essentially amounts to censorship, for this has already been in the public domain for a while, even in India, only the typical reader of SM probably would not have known. I didn't, and I'm better off knowing that someone - anyone - did or could do this. That she was Indian, and a sister of Shilpa, makes it eminently bloggable, right here at SM, in my view.

The larger meta-issues can certainly be discussed - whether she should have done it or not, or whether it was deliberate, or an accident, and what it means for others, and whether it is setting up new trends, or just copycatting. I'm all for discussing these things, but they can only be discussed when the thing gets blogged in the first place.

Lets get back to the original post, whats the rationale behind this post? Shetty showed off her privates to the public. The Question is, Does it merit a post in a forum like the Sepia Mutiny? I dont think so.

made me laugh. anyone else laugh? the world needs more laughing and fun.

Thank you Razib and Jasmine, for getting that I was trying to be humorous.

To everyone who called out a really bad analogy...thank you, too.

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Jasmine's take on this was right, though I wasn't as wise as she was to remember the V-monologues...I really was hoping you'd all reveal what you called/were taught to call your happy no-no place when you were small. :) If my memory of that writing workshop I mentioned serves me well, there is no easier way to make everyone laugh. :D

so there is not a chance that this could have been an accident and not an indecent exposure?

Um, no. No more a chance than Britney Spears' vagina was an accident and all the other no-talent-but-need-attention hollywood women vagina accidents. Do you really believe there are this many "Oops I forgot to wear underwear with this really short skirt when I know there are lots of cameras present" accidents happening?

My thing was called Vellachee. It was the word and honestly till date I do not know what the real word in Tamil is.

Shame Shame was what we were told when we sat with our legs splayed all over the place. Just a way to get little girls to sit properly. Never did I think it was meant to get us to feel ashamed about any of our body parts. It just felt like just another one of those millions of things which we were told not to do. To the extent there's a suggestion here that there's something wrong with Indian attitudes, I would think that the general rate of the relevant psychoses in this part of the world suggests that there couldn't be that healthy of an attitude towards body parts here either. Attack against the auties is hence unwarranted.

I would think that the general rate of the relevant psychoses in this part of the world suggests that there couldn't be that healthy of an attitude towards body parts here either.

Divya, despite the line in my post which teases desis about shame, I do think you are right. It's stupid how we Americans have issues with sex but not violence/gore. Any place that could see breastfeeding as tawdry is guilty of not having a healthy attitude.

Attack against the auties is hence unwarranted.

Awww, come on. ;) My "Silly-auntie" deserves an attack and then some, for calling a vag a "shame shame" and so much more. :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamita_Shetty#_note-0

check out the one reference!

I'm curious. How long do you suppose someone waited to get this picture? Do you think Shetty deliberately showed or she was just adjusting her outfit, and paparazi captured it; I'm amazed so many people are judging her because she didn't wear underwear and some ahole violated her privacy.

brownout, I spent a non-trivial number of minutes staring at Shamita's picture and pulling down the skirt of the sundress I was wearing at the time in an attempt to study what my hands looked like as I was tugging my skirt...and despite my wanting to believe she was just adjusting a garment, I couldn't, though I'm no expert on such strange things and I don't claim to be.

I wanted to defend her, because I'll be honest, when I first read this story tip, I was vaguely irritated...I think whether or not someone chooses to wear underwear is their business and not something criminal. This post would have turned out differently if I did think some ahole was invading her privacy...since I couldn't figure out what the hell was going on, but I wanted a "fun Friday" post, I wrote what I did above.

There isn't a girl who comments on here who hasn't had a situation where they were in some dress or skirt where even the tiniest bit o' foundation garment displayed visible panty lines in a mirror's reflection, after which they threw their hands up in the air and went commando...or came thisclose to doing it. We've all been there. Some of us end up having a very breezy evening, others just give up on the outfit in question and change...so I'm not trying to be some prude who is all, "oooooh, she doesn't wear knickers! the horror!".

I think what everyone is "judging" is the idea that she didn't mind...the attention? That it might have been a deliberate photo op, hence my referencing Basic Instinct? :) Well, all that and for the umpteenth time, I really thought this post would either turn out a thread about childhood nomenclature for genitalia or conjecture regarding the fate/legacy of Bel Biv Devoe. ;)

All I know about BBD was that "Poison" was the song me and my boys used to blast on our Walkmans (remember tapes anyone?) while wearing our skidz and getting lines cut into our hair... 3 on each side. Ah, those were the days. Just remember boys and girls "never trust a big brother's smile"!

Man, when I hear BBD, I remember Jodeci, Levis Silvertab baggy jeans cuz momma wouldn't let have me have Girbaud baggy jeans and wearing my make-believe pager inside out cuz momma wouldn't let me have a pager either. Not that I needed one then cuz girls had cooties in those days. Ah memories....

Come and talk to me
I really wanna meet you
can I talk to you
I really to know you.......

Damn! I forgot about New Edition's If It Isnt Love!! I think I asked out my very first girl I had a crush on to that song. And it wasn't a dance. It was recess and I gave her my Walkman and told her to listen to that song. I don't know what I asked her after she listened to the song but it couldn't have been smoothe cuz she turned me down!

Allison Byrd, wherever you are, you were the most beautiful girl in all of 6th grade.

Damn! I forgot about New Edition's If It Isnt Love!!

That song made me feel funny in my tummy. :D I loved it. I had a crush it "went with", too. Ah, good times.

Are you sincerely comparing my rape to some Bollywood starlet forgetting to put her panties on and then lifting her dress for photographers?

Sobal, seriously shut up before you display more of your ignorance.

I had a crush it "went with", too. Ah, good times.

Hella good times, from one norcal superstar to another.

Does anyone remember pager code? 143, 823, 1*177155*400, 6000*171647, etc.

Oh brother =) I'm such a dork.

I usually don't comment a lot and I am a new reader of Sepia Mutiny but I am seriously sick of the trolls that show up at ANNA's posts to insult her writing, personal life or attitude. People with philistine views, please do not comment unless you have constructive criticism to give. You don't insult the person whose house you are staying in.

Dear Anna,

You are amazing! The person you marry (or have married) will be very lucky. You are a good writer, expressive and honest and best of all, don't take yourself too seriously. I'm sorry for what happened and it takes courage to talk about it, this I know. I'll pray for you with all my heart so that all the others will know never to be scared again. Being female doesn't put us at a disadvantage and noone should be able to violate us for any reason whatsoever.Take care.

P.S - I love you for being so brave!!

Candy Girl

was watching this best of 80s or when they were young show the other day and this song came up. when they are going down the stairs cracks me up, i may start doing that every time i walk down the stairs. i wish i heard this song when i was a wee lad. the first school party i went i to, i went up to the girl i liked and asked her to dance, to my great delight she agreed. now looking back i think it was for two reasons, 1) she was a kind hearted soul, and 2) she was a jungle mentalist and our British Asian brethren was banging on the stereo

UK Apache & Shy Fx - Original Nuttah

now great as this song is, its not the one where you try it on with a girl though. she did look good on the dance floor! ;)

back to the topic in hand, my faiba has been using the term "ladies business" for some time to describe well, ladies business. but i realised she uses the term like Al Pachino using "forget about it" in Donnie Brasco!

"went to the doctors today, yep ladies business"

"went to the bakery today, yep ladies business"

"no you cannot have some penda, its for ladies business"

multiple meanings. easily confused :)

I have been MIA for a bit but this sure was an interesting post to come back to...

ANNA, hilarious post. Made me pull down my tee shirt..over my jeans!

I wonder if the guy sitting next to her was thinking, 'how did I miss that?'. :) I also wonder if the people who made a big deal about the gere-kiss will serve Shamita for indecent exposure?

Fashion Smashion..why go commando when a thong could fix the problem?

Any chance that this was a product of computer imagineering/ photoshop? if not, I've been out of India for a long time (as someone said earlier) and more importantly, I was born ten years too early :-)

I think she may be ISI agent and this was a message for anti-national espionage sleeper agents, expect to see some subversion as a result.

I have delegated some patriots including respected posters on this blog to do close inspection of the landing pad for any possible subversive message in the zone in question, possibly code in folicle arrangements, growth etc etc

Coming close to CIA/Tibetan rape on stage of her sister by Abrahamic/Dalai Lama nexus, who is actually Chinese Commie double agent in Himachal Pradesh, situation is grave.

Beware, Assertive Nation, of panty-less girls. They want to destroy us and activate sleeper cells with camel toe espionage!

Hail Mogambo!

I wonder if the guy sitting next to her was thinking, 'how did I miss that?'

The guy sitting next to Shamita S. is Mahesh Bhatt

I wonder if the guy sitting next to her was thinking, 'how did I miss that?'. :)

The guy to her right is Film Director Mahesh Bhatt, father of Pooja. He could be thinking what you think he's thinking, or he could also be thinking - 'look what I'm not missing'. OK, that was a joke, no reference to ID'd persons is meant :) And really, it's not so much that he is sitting next to her, but that she is sitting next to him! The question I have is - a) Why b) Who's the mustachio-ed dude in the picture directly behind SS ? He seems familiar, like maybe he's an actor or something, but I can't place him.

Sorry for being pedantic and off-topic: but shouldn't the "ch" in A N N A's caption "Chee! Vhere your..." be the aspirated form of the consonant ? "Chchee!" or "Chhee!" is a mild exclamation of disgust, while Chee is, I believe, a Mandarin name as, for example, in "Chee Thong Pugilistic and Health Society" (no, I did not make this up; it actually exists).

I'm starting to wonder if Spoorlam is actually Abhi in disguise/under cover.

I am still thinking of what made Shamita move out without her chuddies! I mean, isnt it something one does, wear undergarments...like brush your teeth, eat, crap etc? Or is it that its the latest in thing in the bombay elite who are more Noo Yawk than the New Yawkers themselves? Hi Honey, papoo picked me up in his beemer hain naa, to show me his new Ipod, so doll I tell you, hain? Aur why are you wearing undies yaar, it is so mufassil town yaar, so third world yaar.."...please save us from the Indian Paris and Britneys!!!

I'm starting to wonder if Spoorlam is actually Abhi in disguise/under cover.

I wish. Spoorlam lives! :)

Spoorlam....your comments sounds like a good screen play script for B-grade horror movies in Bollywood ;-).

I want to know how the hell does one 'forget' to wear chuddies? I mean your clothes don't sit right on your or feel right when you go commando, nevermind the cold factor or the discomfort wetness factor etc.

I'm not being a prude but this was obviously deliberate. There are places to go commando and get attention I suppose when you are a nobody celebrity like a club or something but at a function where you are required to sit and will be photographed? Come on, are you telling me this girl wasn't raised with the basic common sense of how to sit when in public?

I still feel my grandma alive and slapping the back of my head screaming "Sit properly" if I ever slouch or my skirt rides above my knees and she's been dead 22 years. You can sell me the Brooklyn Bridge before I'll believe that this wasn't a total deliberate attempt to get in the news.

Also on the theme of Bel, Biv, Devoe, I remembered my favorite scene from "Srubs"

God, I love that Scrubs clip. I have it saved on my computer for the days I'm feeling blue. I used to dance to that song in T-head's bedroom back in the day, making an ass of myself, as usual.

p.s. Thanks for the shout-out :)

My parents/relatives call it the "post office."

Is it only me who thinks that the unedited version is fake ? This appeared long back, and the reason there was no effigy burning was simply 'cos the photo was doctored. Mid Day was the tabloid that first published the censored part. But then it was carried by several other blogs and most of them concluded that it was fake. If you look closely (ok..I admit, I did look closely) it seems to be somone has placed a nice triangle in to fit the photo, but the skin shade near the "shame shame" part is a tad fairer compared to the inner thighs. This does not seem right.

you know, i'm just remembering ... my cousins in india never wore underwear growing up ... and i'm pretty sure that my aunts didn't wear any for a long time. i feel fairly certain that underwear did not become a required garment in their lives until the late 90s. i remember complaining to my mom about the fact that my boy cousins wouldn't wear underwear (unpleasant sight during squatting/sitting cross-legged). we even bought them some underwear one year and they refused to wear it! nowadays, i don't think anyone would be caught dead without underwear and it seems odd to imagine the old commando days. perhaps shamita-shame-shame was feeling nostalgic.

@100 and 101:

The triangle reference took me back about 30 years when the "Nirodh" condoms were advertised with a 'lal trikon" jingle.....does it ring a bell to anyone.......maybe not? not many here on the wrong side of 40.

I do have to agree that underwear was a novelty item when I was growing up. did not wear one till I was 13 or 14. Sorry, don't mean to gross any one out!!. Life was tough those days...you know :-) the choice was between 2 square meals a day and other trivial things like underwear :-).

This picture has been circulating for a while and appears doctored. But a great conversation piece though!!

Cliff,
Remember those “Sukhi waiwaahic jeevan bla bla” commercials on Doordarshan? Totally awkward moments on Sunday movie evenings. Kids intently looking at ceiling. Parents staring at kids.

I think it is photoshoped (I am talking about the one from adultsport.co.uk). Anyways I am not complaining.

…her happy-no-no place.

Milli and Cliff (# 101 & 102)

Please,please tell me you are kidding ....No underwear till the 90s? where are you from -Jhumri talaiya*?

Every time I start feeling comfortable at Sepia Mutiny ,someone throws in a comment about India that makes me want to weep ,moan and gnash my teeth all at once.

*- No disrespect intended to anyone who is from Jhumri Talaiya

Actually, Runa, if you must know, my cousins are from large towns (not villages) in Karnataka and Tamil Nadu as well as Madras and Bangalore. What do you want me to say, underwear was just not a priority for a) young kids or b) adults who had grown up poor and unaccustomed to undergarments. What exactly is your point here? I'm not sure I like what it implies regarding my veracity or my family. Please clarify.

you know, i'm just remembering ... my cousins in india never wore underwear growing up ... and i'm pretty sure that my aunts didn't wear any for a long time. i feel fairly certain that underwear did not become a required garment in their lives until the late 90s. i remember complaining to my mom about the fact that my boy cousins wouldn't wear underwear (unpleasant sight during squatting/sitting cross-legged). we even bought them some underwear one year and they refused to wear it! nowadays, i don't think anyone would be caught dead without underwear and it seems odd to imagine the old commando days. perhaps shamita-shame-shame was feeling nostalgic.

Most of the women I knew in India also did not wear undies under their saris. Most of them did wear bras though, and those who did not wore really tight cholies (saris blouses).

I also got in the habit of going freestyle (bottom only) for a while.

I don't even know if lack of undergarments has to do with inability to afford them. I think that, in some contexts, it's just not practical to have undies on. For example, if you live in India, and your house has one of those Indian-style toilets, and you have to lift up your garments to pee, why add another layer of complexity to all that?

Milli,

I definitely did not mean to imply anything negative about your family.I actually thought you were kidding.I apologize for any offence caused.

Just to see comments here about underwear in India not being used till the 90s absolutely threw me .Because I spent almost all of my adult life in India and do not know ANYONE who did not use underwear irrespective of economic background .And yes,I am including the "poor" or ecomically disadvantaged, the older generation etc in that count. And yes,I have lived in smaller towns across India and it still threw me.

My parents/relatives call it the "post office."

because that's where the male gets lost?

Runa, thanks for the clarification. I didn't meant to be so testy (ok, well yes I did, but I see where you are coming from now). When I was travelling in smaller towns and villages this past summer, I saw plenty of young girls (up to maybe age 10?) who were not wearing shirts in public. They were not homeless or poor. I remember when it wasn't uncommon to see similar sights in even the larger towns in the south. I have seen the evolution of the undergarment in my family -- first underwear for adults, then the bra for women, then underwear for all ages! I think, as Hema said, it was a combo of money and convenience. I know for a fact that my grandmother never owned a pair of underwear; she also wore a 9 yd. sari for most of her life, so I'm not sure if that had anything to do with it. The underwear the wear, by the way, is hideous. What passes for a bra is shocking. I wonder when comfortable and/or stylish undergarments will ever take hold in my family.

My parents/relatives call it the "post office."

because that's where the male gets lost?

*chuckling* oh, well said!

Euphemisms I grew up referred more to the body's elimination functions, versus sex functions. They were never referred to as chhee for any other reason other than "that's dirty (from urine, or feces), you shouldn't touch there." Interesting, that my mom (and even my grandmom) provided that explanation for chhee at all, and didn't make a shame shame of it. Actually, I'm amazed at how positively and calmly they handled things!

I have travelled quite a bit of India, have/ and still spend lot of time there. Part of my education and growing up was there.

I have worked in villages in 80s. I know villages in western UP, and Rajasthan quite well.

I have yet to see someone without underwear.

In fact, in sikh religion (dominant demographics of Punjab), a clean underwear is one of the 5Ks that goes back to hundred of years.

There are many local words for underwear - kachha, jangia , langoti, etc.

In fact, white and blue stripped boxer underwear is seen every where - in rural india, across the railway tracks in mornings.

Sure, I have seen some women without bra, and poor kids without any clothes.

This is not to say there are pockets in India where underwear was not common practice. Sure, why not.

However, generalization presented here is a gross misappropriation. I agree with Runa.

Kush,

first of all, I have specifically indicated that I am talking about use of underwear in my own family -- that is not a generalization, that is a description of a few specific people. Second, I also specifically indicated where I have seen this: Karnataka and Tamil Nadu, which do not have large Sikh populations. I spent several summers as a child in India, playing with boys and girls who were not wearing underwear. I did not simply dream this up; getting flashes of my playmates' "post office" was, quite frankly, an uncomfortable part of my reality while staying there. I really can't speak for underwear use amongst adult males -- and I haven't tried to in any of my comments. I talked to my mother about this tonight and she said that she, her sisters, and her friends did not grow up wearing underwear. I remember talking with my girl cousins about what they used to do when they got their period, and it wasn't pretty. I talked to another Kannadiga friend tonight who had similar stories about his cousins growing up. I hope that you are not suggesting that I think that only poor people or villagers don't/didn't use underwear; again, I specifically said that my relatives are from cities or large towns. I don't see how you can say that my comments are a generalization or misappropriation and quite frankly, I can't believe I even have to defend something I've seen with my very own eyes. I'm sure what you've observed in UP and Rajasthan is true; is it so incredible to think that what I've observed in South India -- and more specifically, in my own family -- could also be true? This whole thread and my original comment were supposed to be humorous, but the insinuation that somehow what I'm saying is untrue or insulting is just rude. Is there some sort of universal belief that underwear use = civilized and lack of underwear = savage? Because I certainly didn't suggest it; hell, I go commando as often as its comfortable. Hmm. Maybe it's genetic.

Is there some sort of universal belief that underwear use = civilized and lack of underwear = savage?

No, not at all.

milli, look what I wrote (comment #.113) "This is not to say there are pockets in India where underwear was not common practice. Sure, why not". I have no problem with your observations, and inferences for parts of India. Not at all. I did not target anyone in comments. However, if you insist, then please read your original and PG's comments again. I am even believe PG's comment in part, but not as a generalization.

However, the implication that underwear was not common or recent (90s) is as untrue as it gets. I do not know any religion other than Sikh religion that mandates a clean underwear of a certain modest style, going back to hundred of years.

There a figure of speech in India, common in Hindi/ Urdu/ Hindustani - "langotia/ langotia yaar" which means as close as your underwear. I am sure this did not originate in 90s because I have not lived in India since 80s for a extended period of time at once. Probably, that figure of speech is hundred of years old.

Again, again, I insist I believe your account but it cannot/ should not be extrapolated. There is nothing wrong with it. I have no judgement on underwear/ no underwear - just no broad brush implications.

"langotia/ langotia yaar" which means as close as your underwear.

The way I understood 'langotia yaar' was to mean friends from the time they wore langotis (from childhood). Langoti is just a plain rectangular cloth going from front to back through the legs. Poor kids wear langotis because they can't afford any thing else and modest enough for kids. I never heard your explanation but it is interesting.

circus in jungle,

langoti = underwear or very modest, loose brief/ loincloth (even according to Kamat Potpourri).

That is one of the reason Sikh/ Punjabi warriors chose a more formal brief over loose langoti as a garrison wear.

Now to your point, poor small children when infants only wear underwear (lioncloth) as their only cloth, so you, you can also use it for someone who knew you (was your friend) since you both only wore underwear from childhood.

howevever, langoti yaar is also used for someone very close - as close as...., it has many meanings depending on the context.

i think undergarments became an art form in mughal court too.

Well, I concur with milli. I'm a little surprised at the shock expressed by some people, at the fact that there might be quite a few people who don't wear any underwear in India. I grew up in the south and i know many who'd do it freestyle.
Sometimes it's just a preference.

@105:

Heyyyy....don't be dissing my peeps. Jhumri Taliaya is a fine place. No, I am not from there but grew up pretty close from there.......Bhopal. I was born in Kerala, in the middle of sixties and spent first five years of my life there. My first school was "Aasante kallari" where an old man who is the self appointed village teacher would teach little kids to write in palm leaves with an iron nail (naarayam). My grandpa and I would walk around the village wearing just a loin cloth (konakam). Like I said, underwear was not a necessity till one reached the teens....you know what I mean ;-)

And...calm down.......no need to get your undies all in a bunch :-)......India and Indians are doing fine with or without it.

Cheers

My young daughter calls that part a "virginia".

"no need to get your undies all in a bunch :-)......"

ROTFL

My parents (Delhi folk, although they grew up in the South) refuse to wear undies to date ... something I never quite got used to, although I thank my stars that they did not impose this preference (or lack thereof)on me.

Delicious: a Tamilian friend of mine would insist that in her circle it was common to refer to a woman's "idlis" as in "he really loves her. she must have great idlis" :D!
Now surely you can't beat that for sheer fun factor...not to mention a certain indefinable appropo-ness!

So, you are all going to just take it for granted that a picture appearing on the cover of a British tabloid is the Vedic Truth now?

There is this computer software called photoshop. Look into it. It can do many things that to older generations would look like magic.

Shame shame indeed.

less clothing, less shopping, less laundry,less baggage to carry,
less thing to worry,
and if everyone follow, this will be norm in no time.

i don't think is the great issue for the celebrety not to wear the underwear or any thing else as they are in the glamour world so the can have the right to do anything they want .being showing fanny is not a big deal ha.if she want she show if she don't want she won't show.but she is so sexy

i think she has forgotten and where the sitting there the work is important but problem is there,some sharam (shyness) is there on her face and cryness also it means she has not done any bad and she has love.where she is sitting there people who were sitting we have to ask she is crying or not.if she is crying sheis not in fault but fault is only that is she is in love.

sanjay rawal