If he'd only done his homework he would have known that Condi's heart belongs to another.

She is so ugly ! And not there aren't hot black chics, there are, she is just not one of them..

what's her skin colour got to do with it?

I am willing to give the PM a benefit of doubt. Moving on, I have seen far too many distinguished desi playas doing their smooth routine. One word. Cringe. Who the hell falls for that shit?

Sadaiyappan @ 2: Much as I dislike the entire G. Bizzle posse, that was uncalled for.

Way to go ...
Comment # 2 and we are already dragging a woman's looks into the discussion

Bah!

Well the post is about him conquering and charming her so I thought her looks were relevant..

But did either of them drink pineapple juice?

Her looks are not relevant because he is presumably trying to charm her to gain political leverage. Not because he actually has the hots for her, fer chrissake!

Well the post is about him conquering and charming her so I thought her looks were relevant..

I think sadaiyappan has a valid point with respect to this situation.

ugly has nothing to do with skin colour

let me rephrase - the ugly part could be valid, but nix the reference to the ethnicity.

Ahem.

Guys, do not go there.

Don't bring in racial stereotypes (one way or the other). And there's no point in judging her looks, they're irrelevant in this circumstance. Please? I don't want to check the site at some point over the weekend and find a troll convention has broken out.

Why is an article on Aziz being a luckless, oily charmer degenerating into one about Condi's looks? He tried to get it on with her and she rebuffed him. Surely we should be questioning his looks? Which, going by the pic, aren't much to write home about.

can we judge his looks? uncle needs to hit the gym ewwww

I wonder what his two minutes skills are.

I wonder what his two minutes skills are.

Maybe there's a reason he's known as "Shortcut Aziz"

why you can’t spell aphrodisiac without desi.

Or why you can't spell aphrodisiac with desi either. ;>)

Maybe if Aziz applied some of that boot polish General Musharraf uses in his hair, he make more headway . . .

Well the post is about him conquering and charming her so I thought her looks were relevant..

Since you are judging how she looks, it is only fair you put your picture here so we can judge how you look.

have seen far too many distinguished desi playas doing their smooth routine.

Why is an article on Aziz being a luckless, oily charmer

i'm offended by the anti smooth ibanker/ladies man sentiment on this thread. you'd all be down on the farm if it weren't for our tribe. aziz ain't the first guy unable to crack the condi nut, but at least he was man enough to step to the plate and go down swinging. clinton only goes after powerless women using borderline sexual harassment techniques.

if i ever see segolene royal, katrina vanden heuvel, or shodan at my local watering hole, i'd give it a shot, unlike clinton, kennedy, ennis, democrats, liberals, and wealth redristriubutionists, who obviously only go for weaker women. sheesh.

Maybe there's a reason he's known as "Shortcut Aziz"

Damn you Manju, I would give it a shot too on the left flank. Specially for Katrina vanden Heuvel. Lotharios of the world unite!

...And in this corner we have two-minute-skills guy. In the opposite corner we have no-fixed-time-for-withdrawal guy. Sisters, which would you choose?

*Bow chicka bow wow*

**Seriously, can't you just imagine the soundtrack?

***I always wonder about the veracity of these stories.

****Having a single, attractive (you are allowed to mention looks if you are complimentary - it's the rules of the internet), fairly youngish female Secretary of state has led to some interesting stories. The media is always having articles about how she has 'conquered' this politician or that politician - Bush, Jack Straw, some Canadian dude, even Quaddafi, I think? Was it him? Oh, who can even remember all the stories what with the USWeekly-ification of general news stories. It's as if the media can't figure out how to cover a single female in such a powerful position.

*****When Hillary is our new overlord, the stories should be very interesting.....how do we discuss a female president?
*****Interesting.

It’s the oily charmer bit that’s cringe worthy. I’ve got no beef w/ money-people. In fact my Pakistani peeps say very good things about Show Cat Aziz. He did much good work as finance minister.

if i ever see segolene royal, katrina vanden heuvel, or shodan at my local watering hole, i’d give it a shot,

Oh, too bad the other thread got closed down (razib, prema!). I was gonna respond to the questions posed @ md :(

i think jack straw started wearing contacts after meeting condi.

Condi can look quite attractive in some pictures, such as this one. In fact, she may be the prettiest Secretary of State ever. :-)

It's her politics that I can't stand.

She is so ugly ! And not there aren't hot black chics, there are, she is just not one of them..

Actually her complexion is a shade or two lighter than the stereotypical desi skin tone. Colin Powell the other black Secretary of State OTOH, is practically white by desi standards.

Condi can look quite attractive in some pictures, such as this one. In fact, she may be the prettiest Secretary of State ever. :-)

A back-handed compliment that; since her only competition is Madeliene Albright.....

i think ol shortcut used Sex Panther

not sure if it worked,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7015vhthPkQ

BTW, I am a guy. But being a degenerate liberal, I fully stand behind (no pun intended) you getting it on w/ other guys

o crap. crying game moment.

I wonder if he tried his 2-minute routine when Jolie was in town?

But its ok I'd try my 11-minute routine (Paulo Coelho anyone) on either one of them :P

Actually her complexion is a shade or two lighter than the stereotypical desi skin tone.

prema: you seem a bit pre-occupied with this topic? what's the story? just curious.

Seriously, what is UP with talking about Condi's skin color or attractiveness? That's so typically goddamn brown neurotic.

But ah, I love spring. It's when SM's thoughts turn to fornication (secondhand, of course...time to send Condi a gallon of pineapple juice with a note linking to this thread, just so she knows).

Bunkerdudes, maybe a less frothily hormonal post next? I think it's getting to the audience; they're starting to dry-hump each other next to the lockers and make out in the hallways. Can we get a chaperone in here? Rajni?

(Maybe it's a post-trollery-brings-an-onset-of-reproductive-instincts thing, like the Baby Boom after WWII?)

can we judge his looks? uncle needs to hit the gym ewwww

I doubt he plans on joining Condi for one of her daily 4:30 am gym workouts ...

There was this news report about how Natwar Singh (Minister for External Affairs at that time) charmed Condi with his..well..charm. It was noted that he made her laugh etc. Can't remember the source. Someone else here might. This was before that whole Iraq scandal-bag fell on his head.

All it takes is for a woman to show up and all these charmers start their charming. Never mind that she's your counterpart in an extremely important position. Similar thing when Bush wanted to give Angela Merkel a shoulder rub. Remember?

I am flattered Majnu, er, Manju. BTW, I am a guy.

hahaha

Manju, don't fight it, embrace that side of you.

Shodan it's quite a compliment though, eh?

;)

wow. the majority of comments are about looks rather than what's written. the idea that he would "dare" to brag about his sexual prowress to western aka mostly white diplomats, the face that most (male) politicians still view women (whether in power or not) primarily as sexual objects and the idea that he, as the native brownie that he is, wouldn't possibly know how to pick up on a western woman with his bkward native ways...those are the things i found interesting. not whether condi is hot or uncle's gotta hit the gym

wow. the majority of comments are about looks rather than what's written. the idea that he would "dare" to brag about his sexual prowress to western aka mostly white diplomats, the face that most (male) politicians still view women (whether in power or not) primarily as sexual objects

and the idea that he, as the native brownie that he is, wouldn't possibly know how to pick up on a western woman with his bkward native ways...those

are the things i found interesting. not whether condi is hot or uncle's gotta hit the gym

Maybe he was able to pick up on a whole host of women but Condi was there for a very specific purpose and was not beat for all that. She's a focused and powerful woman. What good would a very publicised fling do her or her career?

I believe Rice's exact words were: Brownie, you're doin' a heck of a job.

whats interesting is that no matter where you are in your career it seems a woman can't do her job without some clown trying to get some play

prema: you seem a bit pre-occupied with this topic? what's the story? just curious.

Who are you kidding? Desis in general are pathologically obsessed with this topic; as can be seen by the posts here including that obnoxious one by sadaiyappan. I respond to such sick, delusional creatures with a reality check. You got a problem with reality checks it seems.

There was this test of wills where he was trying to use all his charms on her as a woman, and she just basically stared him down … By the end of the meeting, he was babbling. The Pakistanis were shifting uncomfortably. And his voice visibly changed

Damn, that cracked me up. Many a desi playboy has been reduced to a babbling buffoon by the harsh realities of the western dating scene...

bidi said:

the idea that he, as the native brownie that he is, wouldn't possibly know how to pick up on a western woman with his bkward native ways.

I wrote:

Aziz was not some wide eyed naïf when it came to the ways of the West. He was a former ibanker, a VP at Citibank who had worked in London, Athens and New York. He may have had good reason to consider himself an experienced ladies man, a master of international affairs as it were, but he clearly met his match

bidi - doesn't seem as if your comment is about "what's written" either. Why not try to make your point fairly instead of misrepresenting my post?

Damn, that cracked me up. Many a desi playboy has been reduced to a babbling buffoon by the harsh realities of the western dating scene...

What about that question, "in your country there is free sex, no?" Um, correct. NO. On the contrary, a full night with a prostitute could cost you an arm and a leg.

I guess these sorts think the second they land on American soil a bevy of Pams are lined up outside the airport just dying to throw themselves at them.

And what about the, "in your country there is only sex, but in India there is love"?

Okay.

Many a desi playboy has been reduced to a babbling buffoon by the harsh realities of the western dating scene...

somehow prema, this statement strikes me as the real answer to my question. kinda like when psychologists hear: "a friend of mine is thinking about sucide."

Maybe Prema's onto something?

I'm sorry but this just cracks me up - the boasting about being able to conquer any woman is such a Panju male thing (I say this as a Panju) - particularly Delhi Panju :) And it's not about whether she's a bombshell or not, it's the fact that she's the US Secretary of State that makes her a particularly important notch on his, er, bedpost. It's all about being able to boast to your buddies that you had this powerful American women cooing over you. I've seen it with uncles at weddings in desh too, trying to chat up the token Amriki woman guest and impress her with their commentary on American politics, and the preferred style is dramatic blanket statements and suggestions of Great Knowledge and Experience of the West (even if one has only visited the homes of relatives in the US). Sorry, but this is just really funny and familiar. I don't care if he's an ex-Citibank VP, he's an uncle :) And the Pakistani foreign ministry response about talking to women "gently and decently" is even more typical in its combination of old-fashioned courtliness and condescension.

Mumblings inside Obama circles is that Samantha Power would be the front runner for the State job. If, of course, certain things happen.

Samantha Power?! That would be great! I had heard talk of Fareed Zakaria...now there's a Brown Angle (TM)

On Power, her work has been interpreted as wanting the job, in a Democratic administration, for some time:

When I look at Samantha Power's book on genocide -- and I admire Samantha Power; I know her, she is a friend, I admire her -- I feel this is the writing of someone who wants to be Secretary of State one day. It's a campaign document as well as a very brilliant book. I don't happen to agree with it, but I think it's an absolutely brilliant book. But I also think it's a campaign document. It's a document of someone who wants a seat at the table.[link}

I've yet to read her book but philosophically, the humanitarian interventionist view scares the pants off me. If you read the whole interview, Rieff has the same reaction.

Manju, I don't think it's hate for i-bankers, I think it's hate for smarm? Nothing more unattractive (for me, anyway), than a guy who thinks he can replace social grace and good manners by flashing his high-earning job, power, status, whatever, whatever, whatever.

There's not much I particularly like about Condi, but it must be such a pain in the ass to deal with all these smarmy [male] politician types who are used to being all "I am powerful and amazing" and getting tail. I can just imagine her giving him her patented STANK EYE(tm). Not hating on the guys, just saying, if Condi is shooting down sexist bullshit, then goooo Condi!

Bunkerdudes, maybe a less frothily hormonal post next? I think it's getting to the audience; they're starting to dry-hump each other next to the lockers and make out in the hallways.

another anti-pakistani article for sepia, keep on keepin on you guys!!!

If anyone of you have had any interactions at all with black women, you'd find most of them are pretty tough cookies! Most of them have had to claw their way up in society against all sorts of prejudices, so the usual chat up lines or flattery doesnt hold any water...of course,western women get plenty of attention from males from a early stage,so most of them know how to handle any slimy lotharios.

If anyone of you have had any interaction at all with black women, you'd find most of them are pretty tough cookies! Most of them have had to claw their way up in society against all sorts of prejudices, so the usual chat up lines or flattery doesnt hold any water...of course,western women get plenty of attention from males from a early stage,so most of them know how to handle any slimy lotharios.

I'm sorry but this just cracks me up - the boasting about being able to conquer any woman is such a Panju male thing (I say this as a Panju) - particularly Delhi Panju :) And it's not about whether she's a bombshell or not, it's the fact that she's the US Secretary of State that makes her a particularly important notch on his, er, bedpost.

SP sweepong generalizations don't prove a damn thing- except maybe how shallow your analyses tend to get. I like the way you attempt to link a (somewhat unsubstantiated) attempt at being flirtatious by a Pakistani politician with the behavior of Delhi "uncles". After 50 years, there are major and I mean major differences in culture, language and attitudes between Indian punjabis and their brethren in Pakistan.

DesiDawg, have you had much interaction with Delhi Punjabis and Pakistani Punjabis?

As for "analysis," well I'm flattered that you took my little observation as such.

No von Mises, I guess you're right in that someone who is as committed to human rights as Samantha Powers might not go down so well after the discrediting of the Bushies' interventionism, but I do admire her for at least being consistent and honest, unlike the Clintonian pragmatists who talked the talk without really delivering when it was most necessary (then again, I think their behaviour was understandable and even necessary given the lack of public support for their position in what is, after all, a democracy).

This is the Usage Police visiting re

DesiDawg, have you had much interaction with Delhi Punjabis and Pakistani Punjabis?

WTF is deal with the proliferation of the word "interaction" among professionals these days ? Wouldn't "DesiDawg, are you very familiar with Desi Punjabis and Pakistani Punjabis ?" be more effective and less MBAesque ? Forgive the digression: but every banking-sector call-centre executive in India these days ends a phone-call with, "Were you completely satisfied with this interaction ?" This would've wanted to make me scream, except that one day, a rookie ended a call with "Sir, were you completely satisfied with this intercourse ?" (End of digression.)

More seriously: SP, I'll have to go with DesiDawg (although I see that your observations @ #51 are meant in jest). What you say in #51 is accurate re Defence-Colony Panju uncles; or re a certain type of Punjabi-Bagh uncle. But none of the Rana-Pratap-Bagh or Kirti-Nagar Panju uncles I know fit your "sweeping generalization" :-)

GB - hehe, I am not an MBA and am very sorry if I sounded like one ;) I thought "interaction" would be more specific and less vague than "familiarity." But yes, I was referring to a certain variety of Punjabi uncle and I see you are familiar with the species too...Shaukat Aziz just sounds like a lot of my uncles and like some of the Pakistani Punjabi boys I knew in college. A very dear, familiar, but still hilarious species. End of "sweepong generalization."

I'm amazed that no one has questioned whether the incident actually took place as described? What's up with his voice "visibly" changing? So he used his baritone voice on her -- as opposed to his soprano voice? It's written in a sleazy journalistic style intended to create controversy out of nothing and sell a book. It obviously struck a chord in a tabloidish way. The anti-pakistani sentiment is "visibly" apparent.

Tend to agree with Rajiv ... the entire scene looks straight out of some B-grade chick flick where the 'hot young lady' says some cheesy retort and tosses her hair in the face of an over-eager admirer ... :) .

Whatever the scene was in reality, it has served it's purpose - to publicize her upcoming book.

Rajiv Vij: Uh, actually, I question the veracity of this incident in #24.

It's not anti-Pakistani; honestly, how insecure are some of you that all you can see is anti- this and anti- that?

They are public figures. Condi was made fun of for calling Bush, "my husband." Her clothes, her former relationships, her current relationships are all fodder for the rumor mill, which is always the case with a high-profile politico; her case is interesting because she is a woman of color.

Good grief. Anti- this and anti- that.

Old article on Aziz.

Aziz...LIGHT!!!

You know, you have to wonder - who let out this bit of information into an authorized biography? Particularly at a delicate time in US-Pakistan relations? Dips are usually pretty, um, diplomatic and wouldn't let out information like this lightly. It's got to be quite embarrassing for Shortcut. Hard to imagine it would have got out there if Condi ruled against it.

It's got to be quite embarrassing for Shortcut. Hard to imagine it would have got out there if Condi ruled against it.

Both Shuakat and Condi are still in office, so yes, it's slightly un-precedented for a book from Newsweek's chief correspondent to come out with innuendos like this, especially if he values his (and his media chain's) access to official Washington. Then again, if you look at the literal content of what has appeared in the press - (and it looks like the 'juicy bits' are all out, trying to sell the book) - there is almost nothing there. He tried his 'gigolo charm'? And she 'stared him down'? What's the big deal here?

Are we seriously contemplating the possibility that the Pakistani PM would, ahem, get it on - with the US Secretary of State? Under any circumstances? Come on. I mean, he does have a wife and three kids, it's not as if he was Imran Khan back when, or anything!

Reads to me like a journalistic hit job on the brown man. File this with "desis have small penises" articles and all the desis featured on "To Catch A Predator".

Cultural misunderstanding is unlikely. Both had plenty of opportunities to observe the multi-culti ways of international business at their previous jobs. One of them is lying. We may never find out. I'm sure both their bosses want to avoid a pissing contest.

Condi can look quite attractive in some pictures, such as this one. In fact, she may be the prettiest Secretary of State ever. :-)

It's her politics that I can't stand.

Yup, so true, when this and this are the competition. Something tells me Shaukat Aziz wouldn't so much have put the moves on Madeleine Albright, not that I could stand her politics either.

By this point she has done far more damage (to the world) than the first person linked, but she still has some ways to go to catch up with the notorious k-man. And yes, the piece reads like yellow journalism...and rather silly.

Do not forget George Shultz in the looks sweepstakes. He helped bring down more than one wall, you know.

I don't think Aziz gave it his all. He should have told her tales about the bravery of his Scytho-Punjabi ancestors and how they beat up the proto-pointdexters of Taxila University and gave them swirlies using 3000 year old IVC flush toilets

Damn Scythians get all the babes....

Punjabi men bleh.

Louiecypher - LMAO!

I don't think Shortcut ever thought he'd get it on with Condi, for a lot of folks who pride themselves on their powers of seduction it's more about being able to say "she was really taken with me."

"wow. the majority of comments are about looks rather than what's written. the idea that he would "dare" to brag about his sexual prowress to western aka mostly white diplomats, the face that most (male) politicians still view women (whether in power or not) primarily as sexual objects and the idea that he, as the native brownie that he is, wouldn't possibly know how to pick up on a western woman with his bkward native ways...those are the things i found interesting. not whether condi is hot or uncle's gotta hit the gym"

Couldn't agree more. I would have imagined that the newsworthy bit in the story is (as pointed out) the subtext - the undertone of condescension ("he bragged to Western diplomats, no less ") towards the Pakistani politician, the rather tired framing of the East-West encounter as a seduction (I yawned at "strange bedfellows").

Some of the assumptions in the post - Aziz may have had good reasons to consider himself an experienced ladies man - are completely vacant of justification.

Oh surprise surprise, I am going to get called a troll for stating my disagreement with this post. And don't forget to trot out the old cliche about how this is a personal blog and the bloggers are entitled to their own (unsubstantiated) opinions.

Zhirinovsky would say that Aziz is not man enough for Condi.

"aphrodisiac without desi"............hahahahahahahahahahahahaha...........i guess the desi definition of aphrodisiac involves parents, "shame shame", prostitutes, romance/severe emotional instability, other such wonderful qualities

"desis have small penises"

that article was about indians specifically, don't get it twisted...

another anti-pakistani article for sepia, keep on keepin on you guys!!!

So, the Sepia Mutiny undercover agenda has been rumbled! The game is up guys. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Good work, noo york --- Pakistanis can sleep safely now.

tried this Savile Row-suited gigolo kind of charm

The sad thing is that this startegy works with quite a few women --- walk around any rich city and you'll see it. London, Geneva, Paris, Coventry (OK, maybe not Coventry). 'Savile Row' 50 and 60 year olds greasy men with attractive women in their twenties hanging on their every word. These men only exist because some women let them exist.

Aziz should not feel too bad. Waxman can't get a date either in spite of trying the time-tested love letter route and managing to forget and forgive the aluminium tube episode.

Noo York: You are so fortunate with your Scytho-Kambhoja-Greco patrilineal descent to have escaped the curse that afflicts us peninsular men. I have said it once and I'll say it again "Damn you Scythians and the mojo you have over our women !". I mean your luck seems to have no bounds...it's like the ISI has captured a Leprechaun and is forcing him under duress to bestow riches upon the glorious land of your birth.

To all the Pakistanis who seem upset by this, Imran Khan's macking skillz make up for Aziz's ineptness. I mean, home boy talked a London society girl into a burkha ! Damn Scythians....

To address Ennis' comment quickly and late:

I'm sorry if I wasn't articulate/clear enough. What I was attempting to reference were bits about Aziz's voice changing and his inability to be "successful" with ms rice being tied to cultural/native machismo issues. I intended to agree with the tone of your post and express frustration at the words of those you quoted. I was motivated by the point you made about his experience, education and thus knowledge of western culture rather than the bumbling man these journalists attempt to paint him as.

"Couldn't agree more. I would have imagined that the newsworthy bit in the story is (as pointed out) the subtext - the undertone of condescension ("he bragged to Western diplomats, no less ") towards the Pakistani politician,".

Nice reframe, May. I agree 100%.

punjabi paki cheeseballs are the world's greatest players

Seriously dude, they're not, I've seen the aftermath of punjabi paki cheeseballs making plays on friend girls of mine, and it is very greasy and comedic! But hey, sleazy Indian 'pimps' are no different, the Don Quixote's of the romance world. As I said there are some women who fall for their charms and short of a mental illness inspection, we can only appreciate their success with ladies as being analogous with the natural world's phenomenon of certain flies alighting helplessly on shit.

Aziz should have known that Condi is into younger guys, like Peter McKay, Canada's Foreign Minister....and also that this rumored romance has done nothing for Canada/US softwood lumber disputes.

Softwood lumber disputes, eh? Hmmm.... ;)

Here's something that unites Indians and Pakistani's...would partition not have happened if these horny souls had found what they were searching for online in the real world?

http://www.google.com/trends?q=sex&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

SP @ 51 and Red Snapper@ 88,
Next time you’re in Mumbai, be sure to check the rainbow coalition of Punjabi, Sindhi, Gujarathi, Marathi and yes, Amreeki uncles in action. Don’t miss the growing ranks of sugar aunties too. Sort of toxic spin on equality, that.
As an uncle in trainee wheels I take umbrage. They’re bringing us down. Sob!
Also, what does it say about a woman who falls for this two-minute noodle approach to wooing?

Delhiite Post #91: You've unleashed a terrible addiction on me.

Just one gem of many:

#1 language result indicates that there may be truth to some stereotypes:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=anal+sex&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

I guess it really does stay in Vegas

http://www.google.com/trends?q=swallow+cum&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

I can't seem to get past the "his voice visibly changed."

His voice...visibly...changed? Visibly?

But...how? That's a hell of a change, since presumably it was invisible before the change.

she is an "auntie" and he is an "uncle". Made for each other.
She called him "brownie". Should he have called her "Kaali" or is "Nigger" a better word ? Is one racist insult better than another?

Uh, Melbourne Desi, are you on crack? I'm fairly certain that Condi did not actually call him "brownie." So your eager leap to the n-word can step back, jack. You're way off base.

Perhaps melbourne is mixing up Dubya's nickname for his former FEMA head.

Or going off of this comment.

Yo, check this out

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/images/2006/11/19/20061119_b1.jpg

And to think you were making fun of such a noble, sensitive individual!! For shame!!

wishful thinking condi!! shes wishes he was hittin on her

Condi looks like a black dick....but Aziz is such an idiot fucking asshole he lost all his respect and the right to be a man...he def need some lessons before doing any attemp like that...at the end I appreciate Condi she did a good job sorry condi for calling you that in the start..