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June 24, 2007

Summer is finally here. We're going fishing.Blog

…but we promise to throw back the fish and not hurt them for real.

Folks, we have been writing on this blog and ruining your work-day productivity for almost three years now. We’ve had over 8 million visits, 4500 posts, and 143000 comments (all moderated by a single intern who is just not looking too good these days). Most of us are totally and completely burned out. We have been cooped up in our North Dakota bunker for so long now that we don’t even know what an i-Phone is. This is no way to live. It isn’t even fit for our monkeys. Some of us really need to take a break and get out and see some action once in a while (errrr…by which I mean play sports and go on vacation or something).

You may have noticed that the number of posts on SM have decreased in frequency over the past couple of months as everyone takes a bit of time out for themselves. This slow burn will continue through the end of the summer. We might bring in some new faces and lose some old ones but the Mutiny is not dead. Our new site admins are also working on more community-based features and on ways to make the News Tab more interactive by allowing commenting and ranking of stories there.

Enjoy your summer and please say hello if you see any of us outside of North Dakota on our walkabouts.

abhi on June 24, 2007 09:33 PM in Blog · T·r·a·c·k·b·a·c·k address · Direct link · Email post



82 comments

 1 · phishing on June 24, 2007 09:51 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Being in the bunkers in North Dakota, surely you are used to ice fishing, by poking holes in your floor to the lake at the bottom? So with all that fish from the winter why go fishing in summer as well?


 2 · ovaltine on June 24, 2007 10:27 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

how about a summer meetup in NYC?


 3 · PS on June 24, 2007 10:32 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Thanks for all the hard work you guys do to make this great site!


 4 · lax on June 24, 2007 10:49 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

hey guys........i've been a regular reader of this site for close to 3 yrs now and i really appreciate all the work u guys have put in...therez not been a single week where i haven't checked out the mutiny...blessed be thou all....n shamefully this is my first post in all these yrs...but i need to know...i really need to know...
are ny of u guys really situated in north dakota?......i've only seen it ever in fargo...
n whats it like for desis out there???
n do they really speak like the way the movie portrays(indulge me on that one)?


 5 · chachaji on June 24, 2007 11:24 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Hey Guys, (and Girls!)
Have a fun summer. Relax, recuperate and regenerate! As it happens, today is exactly five months since I first came to SM. I've always felt that we who enjoy reading and interacting here do not thank you enough for all the hard work you put in - writing posts, researching issues and moderating this blog, and so freely sharing your sensibility, for what are ultimately rather intangible returns. I know it's something you love doing, but still, the least we can do is salute SM's vision, and express our appreciation to all the Mutineers, individually and collectively. So here's another BIG THANK YOU from me.

I noticed the drop-off in the post frequency myself, but even more, there has also been a noticeable drop-off in the comment quality. Last week was certainly not one of the best in SM's commenting history. Of course, you're too nice to tell us this, but it really is the case that many of us on this side also need some time off, if only to hone our skills in analysis and repartee. Many others will be taking scheduled vacations anyway, or are already taking them. So this was just the right time to hang out the official 'Gone Fishing (for a while)' sign at SM!

Thanks all, and have a great summer!


 6 · Puliogre in da USA on June 24, 2007 11:25 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

how does one become an intern? what does the intern do?


 7 · CurryBear on June 24, 2007 11:28 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

You guys should hire bears to work there instead of monkeys...we never burn out...we do require hibernation tho...and hunny..lots of hunny.


 8 · priyavadan on June 25, 2007 12:00 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

It's summer time, how about the next Texas meet up?


 9 · nidhi on June 25, 2007 12:07 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

we'll miss your witty and on-point posts, but...
*everyone* needs to get some action sometime.


 10 · Amrita on June 25, 2007 12:15 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
how about a summer meetup in NYC?

Oh yes, please!
Youse guys are fabulous-- how else would I have got through last winter?
Here's to you getting some action Abhi!
Biggest monkey hugs to SM Intern!

Anna, don't go away completely-- The Papaya's about to go on tour.....


 11 · Blue on June 25, 2007 12:35 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

A well-deserved break, to be sure. Although I wouldn't worry about catching up to the iPhone. ^__^

And there are 140,000 commenters who need somewhere to go, eh?

Perhaps we could split them up between all of us...


 12 · razib on June 25, 2007 12:37 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

enjoy our vacation ;-)


 13 · HMF on June 25, 2007 12:50 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

my 5 year old nephew couldn't pronounce the word vacation, so he said, "decashun", so. enjoy your decashun.


 14 · Taz on June 25, 2007 12:57 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

What does this all mean!?!?!?


 15 · A N N A on June 25, 2007 01:09 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
What does this all mean!?!?!?

It means, "don't yell at us if there's only one post a day". ;)

Fret not. It means that it's summer and it's time to be lazy: R+R, umbrella drinks, hammocks, mango lemonade, sundresses, aping corona ads, retiring the blowdryer, ice cream, meetups, lots o' naps...ah, I love summer.

We all need and deserve to recharge and have some fun, if only to prepare for the "What I did during my summer decashun"-55Friday which will be here before you know it. :D


 16 · Rahul on June 25, 2007 01:36 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Abhi, your post made me curl up in a fetal position, hugging my monitor in a corner of the server room. Thankfully, my insistent browser refresh popped up A N N A's comment, which was like meth to a heroin addict. Now, I can listen to this song again without being wracked with chills and shivers!


 17 · SM Intern on June 25, 2007 01:58 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Since there is still confusion, despite Abhi's post:

You may have noticed that the number of posts on SM have decreased in frequency over the past couple of months as everyone takes a bit of time out for themselves. This slow burn will continue through the end of the summer. We might bring in some new faces and lose some old ones but the Mutiny is not dead.

Cranky = intern needs a break, too!


 18 · Rahul on June 25, 2007 02:01 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

What are the monkeys doing? Surely feces-hurling gets tiring after a while? Get them each a keyboard, and get 'em working for their bananas, goddammit!


 19 · SM Intern on June 25, 2007 02:22 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Calling me a bitch gets you nowhere. It's also abusive and a personal attack, which makes it a violation of the comment policy. That's why your comment got deleted.

Worst of all, you put intern in quotes...like there's something wrong with slaving away underground for three years, for no financial compensation! Oh...wait...

Please stop trying to cause drama where there isn't any. Abhi is just letting us know that things will be much slower at SM as we all take a break. There may be a post one day, there may not be one the next. That's all.


 20 · Rahul on June 25, 2007 02:36 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
but even more, there has also been a noticeable drop-off in the comment quality.

chacaji, ur mean. lol.


 21 · Ravi the Lurker on June 25, 2007 03:08 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Looking forward to what we get! =)


 22 · No von Mises on June 25, 2007 08:01 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

You can't fish in North Dakota. Liar, liar, chuddies on fire.


 23 · rudie_c on June 25, 2007 08:14 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Much love and respect to you all, a much deserved break, sing, dance, think, wink, rap, run, walk, sleep, do what you want and need to do. This world is getting a bit too barmy and not in a good way,

“the sun came up with no conclusions,
flowers sleeping in their beds,
the city cemetery’s humming,
I’M WIDE AWAKE ITS MORNING!!”

recharge and come screaming back


 24 · Msichana on June 25, 2007 09:26 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
recharge and come screaming back

Amen to that...Mutiny 'bhailog!'.



 25 · Sonia Kaur on June 25, 2007 09:32 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

I feel like you're ... breaking up with me ...

I need ice cream and a big spoon.


 26 · desihorn on June 25, 2007 09:51 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Let me find that bottle of Johnnie Walker..

Thanks for all the great work. The last time I was this hooked to a site was when Al first invented the internet.


 27 · Amitabh on June 25, 2007 10:04 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Enjoy your summer you guys.


 28 · Jeet on June 25, 2007 10:25 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Jagjit Singh is so appropriate right now.
Tum nahin
Gham nahin
sharab nahin
Aisi Tanhayee ka jawab nahi...

yenjoy!!!!


 29 · Cliff on June 25, 2007 10:32 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Hang loose mutineers.....capri pants...tank tops....lungis..........and optional chuddies.


 30 · Shalu on June 25, 2007 10:47 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Enjoy your break folks!


 31 · Seahawks fan on June 25, 2007 10:47 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

I noticed the slow burn. But not to worry, I've made arrangements to put pics of Siddhartha and Naina on the back of milk cartons. If you two are reading this, please come home. We miss you.


 32 · DynaMix on June 25, 2007 10:53 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

This is a wonderful site, and we all wish you a speedy "recovery." Thanks again!


 33 · glass houses on June 25, 2007 11:00 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)


and above all remember.... pot hurts :)


 34 · mayur on June 25, 2007 11:16 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

since 1st discovering SM back in Oct '04, i've stopped by at least twice a week, posted once a month, and gone to half of the meetups in my town (anna - feel free to verify the attendance roster).
your guys' time off is long overdue.. enjoy yourselves on my behalf, b/c i'm low on vacation days and will therefore be stuck working all summer, reading only theonion.com for all my news gathering purposes in lieu of this exalted blog.


 35 · ak on June 25, 2007 11:35 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

so sad, mutineers! my downtime coincides with yours, and i just discovered this blog. the crash is going to come hard and fast, but what to do? enjoy the summer!

how about a summer meetup in NYC?
i would be interested!

 36 · gulti girl on June 25, 2007 11:46 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
enjoy our vacation ;-)

Seriously! Please come back and show us your awesome tan and share fun stories, while we slog away at our computers (or at least pretend like we do).


 37 · P.G. Wodehouse on June 25, 2007 12:13 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Happy hols!


 38 · begtodiffer on June 25, 2007 12:14 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

It's an extremely well deserved break. I always have trouble imagining how you guys keep this site going and live anything akin to normal lives at the same time. You have even take the time to respond to personal emails. I am in awe and feel most unworthy. Go get some fresh air, have adventures but do come back some time and share your wonderful insights.


 39 · BrooklynBrown on June 25, 2007 12:19 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

sounds like a great plan! may you all have fun, warm and exciting summers!


 40 · Shankar on June 25, 2007 12:20 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Enjoy your summer! And don't worry about the fish. Aquaman will protect.


 41 · ak on June 25, 2007 12:21 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

ANNA, what does this mean for the book club?


 42 · A N N A on June 25, 2007 12:32 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
ANNA, what does this mean for the book club?

Nothing. :) We're slowing down, not shutting down.

So, get your cute kundi situated comfortably, because you'll need to finish Maximum City by July 9. Section 1 (there are three, total) will be discussed on Monday, July 2. I'll try to put a post up outlining more.


 43 · dev on June 25, 2007 12:41 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

You know what the first sign of a dying blog is, right? Putting up a "no, we're not dead!" post. It's a total cliche by now, please don't conform to the pattern. You're not sleeping, you're just resting your eyes for a little bit, so remember to wake back up. =)


 44 · CR on June 25, 2007 12:46 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
You know what the first sign of a dying blog is, right? Putting up a "no, we're not dead!" post. It's a total cliche by now, please don't conform to the pattern.

Beyond the fact that this is not a "no, we're not dead"-post, I'm curious-- what do you think they should have done? Left people in the dark about why things were slowing down? That's what a "stronger" blog would do?


 45 · MadGuru on June 25, 2007 01:18 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Have a great break!


 46 · Rahul on June 25, 2007 02:03 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Also, not to be alarmist or anything, but please be careful. If it could happen to Sandra Bullock, it could happen to you.

Angela Bennett's a software engineer type who works from home and has few friends outside of cyberspace. Taking her first vacation in years she becomes embroiled in a web (sic) of computer espionage.


 47 · Neale on June 25, 2007 02:09 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

In the absence of posts, how about a Rahul-ticker at the bottom of our screens ;-)

Enjoy your summer, everyone, esp Anna-Abhi-Amardeep-Vinod-Siddarth-Cicatrix-Naina-Ennis...


 48 · The Jolly Bengali on June 25, 2007 02:11 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Sepia Mutiny is my primary link to the desi diaspora from right here in Buenos Aires. Without you guys, I wouldn't even know about the happenings in the South Asian American community, especially Kashif Memon and Sanjaya Malakar. ¡Muchas gracias!


 49 · Shwetha on June 25, 2007 02:57 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

I've been a long-time lurker here since forever. I love this blog - and clearly you guys put in heaps of effort to making it such a fantastic read. Have a great summer and here's hoping you come back super-recharged and refreshed!


 50 · Amardeep on June 25, 2007 02:58 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

You know what the first sign of a dying blog is, right?

Hey, we're neither dead nor dying. Just last week we were quoted in the Statesman (India), the Chicago Sun-Times, and Reason Magazine. And we were linked to by the one and only Instapundit. And one of us (Anna) was on WNYC this morning as part of the follow up to the Obama Campaign's infamous memo... Stuff is happening...


 51 · Anokha on June 25, 2007 03:01 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Oh oh, is there a link to the WNYC stuff from this morning?


 52 · Fukijama on June 25, 2007 03:14 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
Oh oh, is there a link to the WNYC stuff from this morning?

You can download it here.


 53 · Floridian on June 25, 2007 03:17 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

C'mon desi bachhon! Vat summer vacation? Summer is meant for enrichment courses in math or language arts, learning Java or SQL, or if you must goof off, visiting the Smithsonion for three straight days and turning in a report to Mom and Dad.

Slackers!

Now where is my fishing rod?


 54 · Puliogre in da USA on June 25, 2007 03:19 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

you forgot about doing spelling bees...


 55 · Runa on June 25, 2007 03:30 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

To all the Mutineers:

Have a great summer break but please, please come back. I am a recent visitor to the blog but its one bright spot in my day .Thank you for all the incredible effort you put in !


 56 · ak on June 25, 2007 03:34 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
you forgot about doing spelling bees...

and science camp...and studying for the SAT (I and II)...readng a book every week, each complete with a book report (it's not just for museums, floridian!)


 57 · A N N A on June 25, 2007 03:37 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
readng a book every week, each complete with a book report (it's not just for museums, floridian!)

HELLO???! [cough]Maximum City[cough]


 58 · Rahul on June 25, 2007 03:37 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
C'mon desi bachhon! Vat summer vacation? Summer is meant for enrichment courses in math or language arts, learning Java or SQL, or if you must goof off, visiting the Smithsonion for three straight days and turning in a report to Mom and Dad.

Floridian, we're just following our elders' advice.

... cultures are evolutionary by nature, and controlling their destiny is like putting the finger in the dyke. Enjoy ..., and leave the reminiscing to us old fogeys.


 59 · Global Sanskrit on June 25, 2007 03:47 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Sepia Mutiny was also mentioned on Salon re: Obamagate.


 60 · Al_Chutiya_for_debauchery on June 25, 2007 03:52 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Hope you have a great break!


 61 · sarah on June 25, 2007 03:57 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Well deserved... you all do a great job. I hope you enjoy the R&R!


 62 · Sin on June 25, 2007 04:11 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

*throws a drink in your face*

It's over you bitches, it's over!

I didn't mean it.

Come back! Come back!


 63 · RC on June 25, 2007 04:35 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Have a great summer break, guys!!!
I am always amazed at the fact that you all are doing all these work on top of your regular jobs. !!!


 64 · Rahul on June 25, 2007 04:44 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Ok, since nobody has said it, I will.

Summer is finally here. We're going fishing.

Is that what the kids are calling it these days?


 65 · hema on June 25, 2007 04:46 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Let me just say that the fishing in North Dakota sucks (probably), so I fully expect you SM'ers to show up at my door in Minnesota, for proper fishing and such.

Have a good summer, kids..and Akka, of course. :)


 66 · Rahul on June 25, 2007 05:02 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
how does one become an intern? what does the intern do?

One needs to graduate from the Indian Institute of Technology and demonstrate brilliance in order to become an intern.


 67 · razib on June 25, 2007 05:04 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

One needs to graduate from the Indian Institute of Technology and demonstrate brilliance in order to become an intern.

not IIT, MIT or cal tech.


 68 · Rahul on June 25, 2007 05:11 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
not IIT, MIT or cal tech.

Naah, they're too busy pranking each other to be productive.


 69 · Legionary Pullo on June 25, 2007 05:41 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)


Enjoy the summer. I'm willing to wager that you wont be able to stay away. Not while there is stuff like this to talk about.


 70 · Yo Dad on June 25, 2007 05:50 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Abhi: Finally my dream is coming true. Does this mean you will have, and devote more time to do real "Fishing"? Good luck and God Speed to your whole gang in whatever they are after during this summer. I can't wait for Labor Day when summer will be officially over and we will have some intellectual and otherwise dialog on this blog.


 71 · Floridian on June 25, 2007 05:50 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

#69 " Not while there is stuff like this to talk about."

Or this...

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Parents_of_teen_surgeon_held/articleshow/2148748.cms

(Can't SM have a Blogging for Dummies button or something to help people with links and stuff like that?)


 72 · ak on June 25, 2007 06:07 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
readng a book every week, each complete with a book report (it's not just for museums, floridian!) HELLO???! [cough]Maximum City[cough]

ANNA, you shall be sorely disappointed if you think my SM book club comments will come anywhere near resembling a book report. i cannot even promise proper sentence structure! and since i probably won't have finished nearly enough by the due dates, there will be lavish amounts of bullshitting, a la notting hill :

ak: what bits did you like the best?
ANNA: you tell me which bits you liked the best, and i'll tell what i thought of them.
ak: how about the bits that took place in bombay?
ANNA: i'm sorry, ak, i'm going to have to give you a D- for this 'book report' (though points for knowing it has to do with bombay)


 73 · Ardy on June 25, 2007 08:06 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

In case this has not been linked yet, here is Anna's interview on WNYC that Amardeep referred to. Good stuff Anna!


 74 · Salil Maniktahla on June 25, 2007 10:31 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

God knows, y'all need the break. Take it easy, kids. The world will wait for you to regroup and recoup.

So here's wishing you calm waters, smooth sailing, and clear skies. It's summer, even in North Dakota. Climb out of the missile silo! Look, the sun's out and the fish are finally thawing. Remember to wear your Off! and hang your food from a tree so the bears don't eat you.

And also...the first one with a story that incorporates the phrase "And it was THIS BIG!" as a double entendre for anything besides fishing wins a free overhead halogen lighting for the bunker.*

*this contest only available to SM staff, interns, and commenters who are not ANNA or Rahul, and who can hit the refresh button at a frequency of 5Hz or greater.


 75 · Amrita on June 26, 2007 12:30 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

I was sort of hoping Naina going to say something about Lisa Ling's documentary 'Slave Girls of India' and Betty Nguyen too...


 76 · Rahul (pretending I'm not) on June 26, 2007 01:54 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

So, the other day I was at a bar when this annoying party of bachelorettes walked in, flaunting their gaudy decorations. One of them was displaying her tiara and how shiny and new and fancy it was. Another one was sashaying in her summer dress, and couldn't stop talking about how pretty she was in it. The folks at the bar were clearly getting irritated, but how do you tell off a bunch of girls on their night out without seeming like a boor? Finally, this tranny couldn't take it any longer, and quitened them by whipping out his boa. It far outstripped any of the fancy fittings of the girls. And it was THIS BIG!

So, that wasn't the greatest story, but since Salil preemptively abrogated my first amendment rights, it will have to do.


 77 · alybaba on June 26, 2007 09:52 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

I've been passively reading SM for almost 2 years now, and it's about time you guys deserved a break. I love the idea of being able to comment on news stories. I was hoping SM would take it one step further and have some sort of discussion board, so we can ask discuss t topics that don't get reported or blogged about or just inane questions in general.

And yes, do plan a NYC summer meetup - I wanted to stop by the last time when Talvin Singh was in Central Park, but the fairer(sic) sex ruined my plans.

Oh and one inane request - I really need a DVD or downloaded/ripped copy (decent quality of course) of Patwardhan's Jang Aur Aman. I've been wanting to show it my Indian friends for months now, and I don't feel like paying $450 for a VHS from First Run/Icarus. I live in Manhattan, so if someone could mail it or I can meet you somewhere and buy you a drink to thank you.


 78 · Diggablez on June 26, 2007 10:41 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

(Sunday's) Summer's to relax... Summer's to relax... Some Summa season drama is callin up my desi mama


 79 · Camille on June 26, 2007 10:59 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

You all deserve a break! It has seemed that things have slowed, but to be fair, you told us all that that was happening. Wasn't there a post ages ago about trying to find folks who maintain their own blogs to help pull them in to help ease the post-load? At any rate, you all are fabulous, summer is awesome. Here's wishing you amazing sangrias on sunny front stoops and porches, or mint juleps if you're in the South :)

Also, I'm so excited for the SM book club. Perhaps we can just substitute posts with book club discussion for summer-only? ;)


 80 · Shodan on June 26, 2007 11:19 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Enjoy your time away from trolls, chill w/ umbrellaed drinks. Don’t go away for too long though. Soon India may have a woman as the supreme commander of the armed forces. A sardar backed by a nation of chicken tikka fanciers will take on India. So many stories begging to be SMed.


 81 · Shankar on June 26, 2007 12:35 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

A sardar backed by a nation of chicken tikka fanciers will take on India. So many stories begging to be SMed.
Perhaps we can have an open thread on the cricket matches, especially the one-dayers. The first Test starts on July 19th at Lord's, btw.

I dub thee in the Name of the Mutiny the "Chicken Tikka" Series. Be cool, be chummy like. Rise, Sir C.T.!


 82 · HMF on June 26, 2007 01:24 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Adjust the base and let the alpine blast, pop in my cd and let me run a rhyme, and put your car on cruise and lay back cause this is summertime.


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