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August 06, 2007

Maybe when Diesel makes one?Fashion

denim-saree.jpg

I keed. Despite my erstwhile devotion to all things Italian and denim, I do not think that there is ANYTHING which could persuade me to wear this unfortunate schmata— and that’s not because I’m conservative or unwilling to experiment for the sake of fashion.

Kanjeevaram, my beloved, politically incorrect, guilt-inducing Kanjeevaram, is heavy and inflexible enough; so how on earth does this thing WORK? Even if it is one of those new-fangled, “lazy saris” (as my Mother calls them), which is essentially a wrap-around, pre-pleated bottom with pallu attached, it’s still not easy enough.

I’d feel mummified.

Swaddled.

Slow.

Uncomfortable, and reminded of what it feels like to get x-rays, with that heavy protective blanket on top of me. Except at least when I’m getting x-rayed, I’m perfectly still. GAH. Yes, this is freaking me out, man. Must increase the drugs…

Said one fantastically-named blogher:

After color changing saree, pocket saree, it’s now turn for a Denim Silk Saree.
Sri Kumaran Stores, once a leading name in the garments business now seems desperate for market share. So out comes thinking caps (or is it cowboy hats) and innovation for the sake of it. In contrast to the appealing RMKV’s 50,000 color/ reversible saree, the concept as well as communication is a mild put off!

Incidentally, she has a pic of a very public version of this ad; a billboard which has some serendipitous placement, with regards to local greenery. Wait a second, what the— there’s a reversible sari?

My Mother is a disgrace I tell you. A disgrace. I’m always the last to know about such sartorial innovation. How someone who wears no makeup and has never thought to read a fashion magazine bore me, I have no idea. I’m terrified that whatever it is she has will skip a generation though, and that MY daughter will be a fearsome, dreaded rapscallion of a tomboy. Obviously, my Mother is praying for exactly this, as divine revenge for having to put up with me for 32 girly, glittery, glossy years. But I digress (and I must, for truly, it isn’t a post of mine, if I don’t!).

One final note: how the hell is this suitable for elders? Because they don’t move much? Give me a set sari over this isht, any day.

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Via Maisnon, Lizzie and Yindia Uncut…thanks all. Or, um, in this case, y’all.

anna on August 6, 2007 02:00 PM in Fashion, Humor, Musings · T·r·a·c·k·b·a·c·k address · Direct link · Email post



134 comments

 1 · pingpong on August 6, 2007 02:14 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Is my browser going crazy or am I seeing this post twice? SM Intern, please to help.


 2 · A N N A on August 6, 2007 02:20 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

While that rascal of an intern is nowhere to be found, I got rid of the dupe-- thanks for the heads up. :)


 3 · Pravin on August 6, 2007 02:21 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Goddamit, i Just cut and paste pingpong's comment in the dupe to freak him/her out. Anna must have deleted it just as I posted it because I got an error.


 4 · Nina P on August 6, 2007 02:22 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
so how on earth does this thing WORK?
It says silk saree. So I assume the "denim" is only color/pattern, not texture. It probably drapes like any other silk sari.

The illustration is hilarious, though. Ride 'em, cowgirl! In a sari!


 5 · Pravin on August 6, 2007 02:23 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
Ride 'em, cowgirl! In a sari!

YOu can count on Mira Nair including that in her next movie.


 6 · Runa on August 6, 2007 02:24 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

ANNA,
Agree with you that :
1) I will NEVER wear that chimera
2) Kanjeevaram rocks !
Back in the des,I wore sarees to work all the time. I never gave in to the fashion trends and stuck to good old starched Cotton( Calcutta or Andhra ) in summer and silk ( Kanjeevaram or printed) in winter. Meanwhile the following came ( and went):
- "Shamu" satin( don't ask!)
- The tri-colored saree( yuck!)
- Sarees with matching printed shawls( not bad but tres expensive)
- Nylon sarees in psychedleic colors ( 60s anyone?)
- China silk ( hate it)
- Rayon with mettalic threads ( ugly + horiziontal stripes - never a good idea for the -er- well-endowed )


 7 · Camille on August 6, 2007 02:30 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

That looks awful and uncomfortable :(


 8 · Nina P on August 6, 2007 02:32 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Also, the model is pastier than I am. She clearly hasn't been out ropin' dogies in the American West. That denim ain't foolin' anyone, she's one a them city slickers.


 9 · FearlessRahul on August 6, 2007 02:37 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

I promise all of you that I WILL NOT WEAR THIS at the meetup!


 10 · Puliogre in da USA on August 6, 2007 02:37 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
That denim ain't foolin' anyone, she's one a them city slickers.

yeah...i don think they have non che-che models....


 11 · pingpong on August 6, 2007 02:37 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

While I am sari to say I don't know much about clothes for women of the female persuasion, I should probably mention that Kumaran Stores in Chennai has been doing several gimmicks like these, each more desperately attention-craving than the last. I suppose they have well and truly lost their business to Saravana Stores on pricing ("I got 3 times the clothes at 1/3 of the price") and to Nalli on quality and brag-factor ("My daughter's wedding saree cost 3 times her daughter's wedding saree"). In that uncomfortable squeeze, unwilling to seriously diversify beyond sarees, they seem to embarrass everyone around with cowgirls and reversible sarees. What next? Revers(ibl)e cowgirl?


 12 · bess on August 6, 2007 02:39 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

"To bring jeans-wearers into the fold denim silk sarees were launched, Sri Kumaran Stores partner PJ Ravi informed."
Looks like someone else was feeling sorry for the sari.


 13 · Puliogre in da USA on August 6, 2007 02:40 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
embarrass everyone around with cowgirls and reversible sarees

what about reverse cowgirl in sari? is it related to that?


 14 · FearlessRahul on August 6, 2007 02:42 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
"To bring jeans-wearers into the fold denim silk sarees were launched, Sri Kumaran Stores partner PJ Ravi informed." Looks like someone else was feeling sorry for the sari.

"Brilliant! All of the discomfort of jeans with none of the convenience! We'll sell millions!"


 15 · bess on August 6, 2007 02:43 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
what about reverse cowgirl in sari? is it related to that?
Now look at who needs a cold shower ; )

 16 · Puliogre in da USA on August 6, 2007 02:44 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
Now look at who needs a cold shower ; )

it was out hter...i just couldnt resist!


 17 · pingpong on August 6, 2007 02:45 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
what about reverse cowgirl in sari? is it related to that?
Now look at who needs a cold shower ; )

What now? The saree thread has become a wet saree thread?


 18 · Puliogre in da USA on August 6, 2007 02:46 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
What now? The saree thread has become a wet saree thread?

i can do that to any thread....


 19 · A N N A on August 6, 2007 02:47 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Truly, Puli...that skill should go on your resume. ;)


 20 · Puliogre in da USA on August 6, 2007 02:47 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

now..back to topic. who are they targeting with these things. is denim fasionable in india for grls?


 21 · SFGirl on August 6, 2007 02:47 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
What now? The saree thread has become a wet saree thread?

Imagine a wet denim saree... now that wont be pretty


 22 · A N N A on August 6, 2007 02:49 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

What I want to know is-- is Nina right? Is this actually Tromple l'oiel executed in silk? Or is it actually some sort of denim?? Has anyone seen one IRL?


 23 · pingpong on August 6, 2007 02:52 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
Imagine a wet denim saree... now that wont be pretty

I think there was one of those in this Tamil movie.


 24 · SFGirl on August 6, 2007 02:52 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

 25 · Puliogre in da USA on August 6, 2007 02:53 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

i think conservative saris are prettier than this POS.


 26 · Runa on August 6, 2007 02:53 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
is denim fasionable in india for grls?
Yes.I can't find the link but there was an interesting article in the Times of India a few months agi about how - across classes- kids are opting for jeans . TOI interviewed an auto -rickshaw driver who said that his 10 year old daughter insisted on buying jeans vs traditional garb. I got a gift of a denim"Kurta" from a relative in the des earlier this year .Its quite nice :-)

 27 · Ardy on August 6, 2007 02:54 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Forgive me lord for I have sinned.. but the first thing I thought of was how the eff does one pee while wearing this sari? For that matter am not sure about the peeing technique in any sari but my guess would it it will have to do something with squatting and pulling the darn thing up.

Or for that matter, now I get reminded of those rape scenes in desi movies... particularly, one where the sari is thrown onto a ceiling fan.. with denim sari's, none of that fan base.


 28 · bess on August 6, 2007 02:56 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

I believe denim silk is mostly rayon with some silk, 80/20.


 29 · Runa on August 6, 2007 02:56 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
I think there was one of those in this Tamil movie.
Is it true that the title was a play on "genes"? I thought I read that somewhere

 30 · Puliogre in da USA on August 6, 2007 02:56 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

how does one do a #2?


 31 · pingpong on August 6, 2007 02:56 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
ceiling fan.. with denim sari's, none of that fan base.

If that pun was intentional, it is truly one of the vilest ones that I have encountered. :)


 32 · Runa on August 6, 2007 02:59 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

As to all the scatalogical interest:
Whats so unusual? After all don't women go # 1,# 2 when they wear long skirts?????


 33 · Ardy on August 6, 2007 02:59 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
If that pun was intentional

It was intentional :-D I should just go back to work...


 34 · Camille on August 6, 2007 03:00 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
She clearly hasn't been out ropin' dogies in the American West. That denim ain't foolin' anyone, she's one a them city slickers.

what about reverse cowgirl in sari? is it related to that?

Puli, if the girl can rope dogies in reverse cowgirl, then she deserves a freaking medal. :)
Imagine a wet denim saree... now that wont be pretty
SFGirl, I can feel my skin chafing at the thought of it :)

 35 · Puliogre in da USA on August 6, 2007 03:01 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
As to all the scatalogical interest: Whats so unusual? After all don't women go # 1,# 2 when they wear long skirts?????

a skirt seems much easier to take off, put on...a sari looks like a rubics magic puzzle.

(oddly enough...i did wear a sari once, but i didnt need to go to the bathrooom that hour).


 36 · pingpong on August 6, 2007 03:01 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
how does one do a #2?

Weird question. I thought everybody knew. Anyway, what does this have to do with the denim saree?


 37 · Ardy on August 6, 2007 03:03 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
i did wear a sari once

Dude Puli, aren't you single and looking. Not sure if this will help your cause.


 38 · maisnon on August 6, 2007 03:03 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Picture of pocket sari.


 39 · Camille on August 6, 2007 03:03 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
(oddly enough...i did wear a sari once, but i didnt need to go to the bathrooom that hour).
I feel like I know more than I wanted to about you.

 40 · bess on August 6, 2007 03:03 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
thrown onto a ceiling fan

Was it Hey, Ram?


 41 · Runa on August 6, 2007 03:05 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Bess,

It was just about every 70s Hindi movie ,I think.Have you seen Insaaf ka Taraazu? -Don't!


 42 · pingpong on August 6, 2007 03:06 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
Is it true that the title was a play on "genes"? I thought I read that somewhere

I don't know that, but it was a dumb expensive movie that deserved to be made fun of. Its name with tagline was "Jeans: 0% cotton, 100% love". There was at least one spoof movie poster out there advertising a dirt cheap movie "Chaddi: 100% polyester, 0% love".


 43 · Puliogre in da USA on August 6, 2007 03:07 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
I feel like I know more than I wanted to about you.

HA! nah. it was for a parody of a hindi movie....nothing that messed up.


 44 · pingpong on August 6, 2007 03:07 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
i did wear a sari once,

Puli, did you cut a sari figure?


 45 · Ardy on August 6, 2007 03:08 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
Was it Hey, Ram?

Plenty of movies actually, and for many years... I think the first thing they started showing in Indian movies after they graduated from bees and flowers and spilled milk were broken bangles and sari's on the fan.


 46 · Nina P on August 6, 2007 03:10 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
I believe denim silk is mostly rayon with some silk, 80/20.
Rayon and silk can be very light and drapey. Denim is a heavy cotton twill. The "denim silk" fabric may differ not only in fiber (rayon + silk vs. cotton) but also weave.

Have they tried wool pinstripe saris yet? You know, for offices. A "power sari," worn with a cropped fitted button-down oxford shirt.


 47 · bess on August 6, 2007 03:10 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
Have you seen Insaaf ka Taraazu? -Don't!

I haven't seen it and I'll take you advice, Runa, thanks!


 48 · Pooja on August 6, 2007 03:10 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
Is this actually Tromple l'oiel executed in silk?

I was given "denim" salwaar khameez at least 8 to 10 years ago when, apparently, it was very much in fashion. From what I remember, it was made of a cotton-mix with a "denim" wash. I assume that this sari is the same, and NOT actually denim.


 49 · malathi on August 6, 2007 03:10 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
is denim fasionable in india for grls?

When i visited Chennai about a year ago, my 19-year old sister and her college mates were wearing denim jeans with their long kurtas from the salwar set (i.e., minus the salwar, obviously). Sort of like a weird mix and match. In my opinion, a mix and match of the less comfortable pieces of the T-shirt&jeans / kurta&salwar choices.


 50 · pingpong on August 6, 2007 03:11 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
bees and flowers and spilled milk ... broken bangles and sari's on the fan

Almost sounds like the lyrics to a Weird Al Yankovic song.


 51 · Puliogre in da USA on August 6, 2007 03:13 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
Dude Puli, aren't you single and looking. Not sure if this will help your cause.

gave up on that cause...


 52 · Karthik on August 6, 2007 03:15 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

And if you like to not get lost in a tiruvizha , here is another innovative solution from the same people.


 53 · Camille on August 6, 2007 03:18 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
When i visited Chennai about a year ago, my 19-year old sister and her college mates were wearing denim jeans with their long kurtas from the salwar set (i.e., minus the salwar, obviously). Sort of like a weird mix and match. In my opinion, a mix and match of the less comfortable pieces of the T-shirt&jeans / kurta&salwar choices.
malathi, I do this everytime I'm in Delhi and it's actually super comfy. None of the worry over the nalaa on the salwar, and much warmer in winter than a traditional salwar but still "traditional" enough (and warm enough) to fly among older family.

 54 · Runa on August 6, 2007 03:19 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Karthik,
Thanks for that link though I don't think I can ever persuade the better half to wear a coordinated outfit :-)


 55 · sno on August 6, 2007 03:19 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
And if you like to not get lost in a tiruvizha , here is another innovative solution from the same people.
I cry for all the husbands who are made to wear a matching shirt.

 56 · pingpong on August 6, 2007 03:20 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
Have they tried wool pinstripe saris yet? You know, for offices. A "power sari," worn with a cropped fitted button-down oxford shirt.

Scary image.


 57 · Camille on August 6, 2007 03:21 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Oh, and to follow up, I also saw white girls wearing the opposite in Jaipur white salwar with a tank top/t-shirt, and I can guarantee you it looked MUCH tackier.


 58 · SkepMod on August 6, 2007 03:24 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
a mix and match of the less comfortable pieces of the T-shirt&jeans / kurta&salwar choices

I shudder to think of what a girl would look like in a t-shirt and salwar. Jeans+Kurta may be choosing the less comfortable parts, but considerably more aesthetic!


 59 · ak on August 6, 2007 03:26 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

my mom's in madras - i should tell her to hop on over to kumaran! seriously, though, i am very distressed by this turn in the south indian silk industry. i don't begrudge my fellow south indians their non-south indian-style sarees (see below). but i come from a family who, like kumaran, used to be one of the bigger names in sarees in madras. kanjeevarams were always the standard, and i used to love actually going to kanjeevaram (the place) to see all the different kinds of sarees they make. in the last 15 years or so (and esp. in the last 7-8 years) there has been this wave of trendy saris. i also don't mind that too much - people want the latest styles etc. but what i think is the worst is the modernization of the kanjeevaram - sometimes with the most awful embroidery, designs, and stone work. i think it's hard to take something as old-fashioned, traditional, and luxurious as the kanjeevaram and modernize it well - it just ends up looking tacky and to me, is a waste of silk and zaree, not to mention money and standards. i understand that there's a need for more 'disposable' type sarees, to go with the frequently changing trends, as well as those sarees that cater to a lower price range. my cousin tells me that weavers have started making sarees with silk mix and fake zaree - so be it. i just wish they wouldn't try to approximate traditional, genuine kanjeevaram styles with the fake stuff. (not that i think they are doing it with this denim thing).

I’m always the last to know about such sartorial innovation
break out, ANNA - i did. my family bemoans the fact that i don't wear sarees, and when i do, these days, it's rarely the nice kanjeevaram kind (too puffy). i highly recommend picking up indian elle (here's vogue now, too) or checking out pics from the bombay and delhi fashion shows that are coming up - there is some really lovely stuff out there.

btw would not this saree be hot? the denim does seem somewhat thinned out, but by how much? for madras, i can think of maybe 5 days of the year when it can be worn....


 60 · Ardy on August 6, 2007 03:27 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
I shudder to think of what a girl would look like in a t-shirt and salwar.

'I Dream of Jeannie'esque


 61 · malathi on August 6, 2007 03:27 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
and much warmer in winter than a traditional salwar but still "traditional" enough (and warm enough) to fly among older family

Makes sense except for the facts that Chennai is never cold--it is always hot and humid; also, my sister and her friends can never be put together in the same sentence that contains the word "traditional" :-) (unless she is in her Bharathanatyam costume)


 62 · Shalu on August 6, 2007 03:29 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Nina P wrote:

It says silk saree. So I assume the "denim" is only color/pattern, not texture. It probably drapes like any other silk sari.
If this is true...I would totally wear it! I think it would be cute... *hides*

 63 · Camille on August 6, 2007 03:29 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
'I Dream of Jeannie'esque
Oh no my friend, it is WAY uglier. It is a visual assault.

malathi, that makes sense . I'm thinking of cold-ass Punjab, particularly Amritsar :)


 64 · louiecypher on August 6, 2007 03:31 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

are these white girls you see in ads & movies from modeling agencies, or are they just backpackers pulled from the street ?


 65 · Camille on August 6, 2007 03:32 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

louciecypher, do you mean the woman in the ad, or the women I saw? They were European backpackers.


 66 · Shalu on August 6, 2007 03:33 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

...although I wouldn't do the blue border..something in red/orange would be a better contrast.


 67 · A N N A on August 6, 2007 03:34 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
but what i think is the worst is the modernization of the kanjeevaram - sometimes with the most awful embroidery, designs, and stone work.

PREACH IT.

I'm going to have to hide with Shalu for what I'm about to type, but...I don't like crystals in my kanjeevaram.

*ducks*


 68 · louiecypher on August 6, 2007 03:34 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
louciecypher, do you mean the woman in the ad, or the women I saw? They were European backpackers.

I mean the girls you see in Indian ads like this and dancing in the background in desi movies


 69 · ak on August 6, 2007 03:35 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

malathi, i wear kurtas (or kurtis) with cotton/cargo pants in madras - i still get to wear western-style trousers (of a thinner weight, so they're pretty cool) and the kurta is quite comfortable. plus, it's more flattering than a s-k, in my opinion.


 70 · A N N A on August 6, 2007 03:37 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

I might as well be anti-fashion, when it comes to Kanjeevaram. Make mine a "modest", please. No wonder I ho it up when it comes to vestern gear. ;)


 71 · pingpong on August 6, 2007 03:38 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Something just occurred to me. The reason why denim seems to be so popular in India - is it because Indians actually want to play cowboys?


 72 · bess on August 6, 2007 03:43 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
'I Dream of Jeannie'esque
Here you go Ardy!

 73 · ak on August 6, 2007 03:43 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
is it because Indians actually want to play cowboys?
it's true - and explains the success sholay has enjoyed as india's 'best' movie.

 74 · Ardy on August 6, 2007 03:43 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Pingpong - denims are more popular in the urban relatively younger crowd (think teens to mid 30s). It's popular for the same reasons as it is everywhere else among the younger crowd.


 75 · bess on August 6, 2007 03:49 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
salwar with a tank top/t-shirt, and I can guarantee you it looked MUCH tackier
Camille, did they look like this?

 76 · ak on August 6, 2007 03:50 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
PREACH IT. I'm going to have to hide with Shalu for what I'm about to type, but...I don't like crystals in my kanjeevaram.
yes, i too like my k-vs unadulterated, though i do like crystals (those teeny-tiny ones) on traditional silk sarees i have seen, like ikat. they work best on thread-embroidery sarees (i.e. no zari) - otherwise it bling vs. bling (and nobody wins).
I might as well be anti-fashion, when it comes to Kanjeevaram.
i'm more against it than the rest of my family, who seem to have impeccable taste when it comes t the real thing, and absolutely none when the issue of fusion pops up - i'm sure i will cringe at least once when i see the new additions to my mom's wardrobe - my cousins always send back the 'latest' in fashion.
Make mine a "modest", please. No wonder I ho it up when it comes to vestern gear. ;)
he he. i enjoy less modest non-kv types of indian dress.

 77 · Ardy on August 6, 2007 03:50 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
and explains the success sholay has enjoyed as india's 'best' movie.

hmmm. I think saying Sholay succeeded only because Injuns wanted to play cowboy is too much of an oversimplification. Can't say much about the southern states, but for the Hindi speaking populace it is still one of the best all round masala movie in Indian cinema. Great performances, tight script, great action, wonderful character development, decent songs, great cinematography (for it's time), great editing, plus a great balance of various cinematic elements - action, drama, revenge, comedy, romance, etc etc. It had it's weaknesses but if ever there was a Hindi movie with THE mass appeal, it was Sholay.


 78 · ak on August 6, 2007 03:53 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

ardy, dude, i was just kidding - must remember to include ';)' at the end of all sarcastic statements! even though i haven't even seen sholay, i know all about the legends of jai, veeru, and gabbar singh...


 79 · malathi on August 6, 2007 03:54 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
are these white girls you see in ads & movies from modeling agencies, or are they just backpackers pulled from the street ?
I mean the girls you see in Indian ads like this

They are from my sister's pack :-)

Seriously, there are several home-grown models in Chennai (not necessarily Tamil but from all ethnicities living in Chennai), but once they have a few successful assignments on hand they want to head to Mumbai. According to my sister, one needs only Rs. 10,000 and an attitude (plus the requisite looks, height and weight, I suppose) for a portfolio touched with the marvels of Adobe Photoshop to enter any agency.

If you hadn't pointed out, I would have just thought this was a younger, taller, current generation Rathi of yesteryear. But now that you brought it up, I think I see some white blood--although that means, I will add that she carries her sari well.


 80 · A N N A on August 6, 2007 03:56 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Now I've got Gang Starr stuck in my head, thanks to Ardy. :)


 81 · Ardy on August 6, 2007 03:58 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Doh - sorry!! I guess your aroused some pathos about one of my few fav masala movies. Would urge you to check it out, cant be too boring even if you don't enjoy it as much. And I should correct

masala movie in Indian cinema

to - masala movie in Hindi cinema.

Would be presumptuous to say it's better than regional masala cinema which I have not experienced as much - Masala cinema is too sensibility specific anyways.


 82 · Puliogre in da USA on August 6, 2007 03:58 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
I think I see some white blood

I thought it was just some white chick in a sari...


 83 · Camille on August 6, 2007 04:03 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
Camille, did they look like this?
Bess, they looked tacky, but not that tacky. It's hard to capture the image. Imagine huge Nicole Ritchie sunglasses (and ponytail), oversized white cotton salwar tied sloppily at the waist, and a ratty looking spaghetti-strap tank top and a hole-y, thin, pale pink t-shirt.

 84 · Rahul on August 6, 2007 04:11 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

You guys are worried about bodily functions in this saree? Think about it, people! Have you ever seen Clint Eastwood engage in any such business, even when eating a diet rich in canned beans?

What I wonder about is where her six-shooters, spurs and knee high boots (a natural evolution of the sari with sneakers look that overruns this country during the summers) are? And how does she function in the saddle?


 85 · CoffeeFace on August 6, 2007 04:23 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
I promise all of you that I WILL NOT WEAR THIS at the meetup!

Maybe instead of snuffing someone at a DC meetup (jay) we should make them wear one of these ugly sarees.

I think if I saw an 'elder' wearing this I would lose all respect for them.

Is Kumaran really suffering that much for business?


 86 · Amit on August 6, 2007 04:28 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
Dude Puli, aren't you single and looking. Not sure if this will help your cause.

Puliogre is a dude???


 87 · SFGirl on August 6, 2007 04:29 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
When i visited Chennai about a year ago, my 19-year old sister and her college mates were wearing denim jeans with their long kurtas from the salwar set (i.e., minus the salwar, obviously). Sort of like a weird mix and match. In my opinion, a mix and match of the less comfortable pieces of the T-shirt&jeans / kurta&salwar choices.

That has become very common in India, and as Camille says, it works with the older people (one can be traditional and at the same time, its less fuss). Also in colleges, where wearing western clothes is frowned upon (yes, I have heard of "rules" that forbid the freshmen from wearing anything "western", even in cities like Chennai) thats a good option.

Camille, salwars with tank tops...ewww


 88 · Puliogre in da USA on August 6, 2007 04:31 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
Puliogre is a dude???

note to self....spend more time on SM yammering on about pretty grls. (apparently i havent gotten the point across)


 89 · Rahul on August 6, 2007 04:32 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
yes, I have heard of "rules" that forbid the freshmen from wearing anything "western", even in cities like Chennai

I think that what we've got here is a failure to communicate.


 90 · Amit on August 6, 2007 04:34 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
note to self....spend more time on SM yammering on about pretty grls.

Wouldn't a lesbian do the same? ;) :)


 91 · Puliogre in da USA on August 6, 2007 04:35 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

its probably god that i didnt go to college in india. they would have loathed me...


 92 · Puliogre in da USA on August 6, 2007 04:36 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
Wouldn't a lesbian do the same? ;) :)

yeah...but im far too clueless to be a woman.....dont you know? men are dumb. women are evil...


 93 · Ardy on August 6, 2007 04:38 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
men are dumb. women are evil...

Puli DUDE!! Men are innocent, women are evil...


 94 · Amit on August 6, 2007 04:39 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Puli, it's probably because I haven't spent enough time here on SM (newbie).


 95 · lifelong on August 6, 2007 04:40 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Karthik@52. Thanks for the link to the jodi pattu. now i know what to get all of my relatives on their 20 and 25 wedding anniversaries. :-)


 96 · Puliogre in da USA on August 6, 2007 04:40 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
Puli, it's probably because I haven't spent enough time here on SM (newbie).

sweet...velcome.


 97 · Rahul on August 6, 2007 04:40 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

So, PindaUSA, how did Friday work out? To buy or not to buy a girl a drink? Straightened-hair detritus or curly hair? Flotsam or jetsam?


 98 · Puliogre in da USA on August 6, 2007 04:42 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
So, PindaUSA, how did Friday work out? To buy or not to buy a girl a drink? Straightened-hair detritus or curly hair? Flotsam or jetsam?

ahh....I am SO desi. just as I was about to head out, guess who shows up at my apartment? pulli-amma...


 99 · Amit on August 6, 2007 04:43 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
Bess, they looked tacky, but not that tacky. It's hard to capture the image. Imagine huge Nicole Ritchie sunglasses (and ponytail), oversized white cotton salwar tied sloppily at the waist, and a ratty looking spaghetti-strap tank top and a hole-y, thin, pale pink t-shirt.

Camille, ouch. My brain hurts just imagining that.


 100 · Ardy on August 6, 2007 04:46 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
guess who shows up at my apartment? pulli-amma..

Well, for the sake of silver linings - better she arrive before you left rather than after you returned home with the i-banker chaser.


 101 · Puliogre in da USA on August 6, 2007 04:47 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
Well, for the sake of silver linings - better she arrive before you left rather than after you returned home with the i-banker chaser
.

my mom would start planning the wedding....


 102 · malathi on August 6, 2007 04:48 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
Also in colleges, where wearing western clothes is frowned upon (yes, I have heard of "rules" that forbid the freshmen from wearing anything "western", even in cities like Chennai) thats a good option.

Tell me about it. I was harrassed in Anna University by an engg workshop instructor of all people for wearing jeans to workshop several years ago (but I wore it everywhere else too because my favorite mode of transportation was the humble cycle). I quit in my 2nd year because I couldn't take it any longer (it being the whole engg scene; the harrassment by the instructor just made it easy for me). The rest (of my life) is history. But according to Rahul's link, the dress issue is still not history at Anna U, and after all these years the yare targetting the boys. Why doesn't it surprise me.

But there were no dress code rules those years in liberal arts/science colleges, in general. Only professional colleges, if my memory serves me right. I doubt if there is a dress code in my sister's college right now.


 103 · Puliogre in da USA on August 6, 2007 04:49 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

i dont even follow my dress code at work...


 104 · FearlessRahul on August 6, 2007 04:55 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
Great performances, tight script, great action, wonderful character development, decent songs

Personally I think they're better than decent. Yeh dosti? Harmony in a Hindi film song was so rare, and it was done right. Mehbooba? I don't even need to say anything. Then again I'm an R.D. Burman fanboy. The man's music was featured in a video game preview over 30 years later. That's staying power.


 105 · Puliogre in da USA on August 6, 2007 04:55 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

are FearlessRahul and Rahul 2 different people?


 106 · bess on August 6, 2007 04:56 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
Bess, they looked tacky, but not that tacky.
That's good...I guess?
To buy or not to buy a girl a drink?

Puli, here are some pick-up tips. This guy(Mystery) doesn't recommend buying a drink, rather sneezing is the way to go.


 107 · A N N A on August 6, 2007 04:58 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
are FearlessRahul and Rahul 2 different people?

Yes.


 108 · Puliogre in da USA on August 6, 2007 05:01 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

i think with saris, the more formal it is, the better looking they are....


 109 · pingpong on August 6, 2007 05:11 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
its probably god that i didnt go to college in india. they would have loathed me...

I assure you that it would have been heartily reciprocated.

Here's a primer on the rise of "discipline" in some colleges.
From second-hand horror stories, I can vouch for the following rules that were in place in one college (Sathyabama in Chennai, if you know of it):

* No interaction between students of different academic years (apparently to "prevent" ragging/hazing).
* No interaction between males and females (apparently they talk today and become pregnant tomorrow).
* Everybody uses the college bus system compulsorily, no matter how inefficient. This was so that the student could not take a scenic detour on their way home, to the movies or whatever. The buses would drop the student off within line of sight of their apartment so that he/she would not take off from the bus stop. No riding to college on a motorcycle and bragging about it.
* Absences from classes required a note from parents, or a personal meeting with the parents.
* No food to be brought from home. All food to be eaten in the campus cafeterias at the scheduled lunch hour.
* Males to dress in trousers and full-sleeved shirt (in Chennai, irrespective of the weather). No rolling up the sleeves Rajnikanth-style. We are trying to run an educational institute here. Females to dress in salwar-kameez. No t-shirts, male or female. No jeans, male or female. No figure-hugging clothes. Are you coming to college to study or to display your body? Only black leather shoes. No sneakers. No sandals. No flip-flops. No long hair for males. No beards for males. No half-shaven look for males. Only braids for long-haired females.
* Compulsory hormone injections to keep the student perpetually childlike so that the parents never have to see them grow old.
* OK, maybe I made the last one up.

Having read all that, I am indeed surprised that Sathyabama has not had a violent mass killing spree so far.

The most blood-curdling part of this was that some parents I knew (including some ghastly aunts of mine) actually liked this system. Bunch of control freaks I suppose.


 110 · FearlessRahul on August 6, 2007 05:18 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
Compulsory hormone injections to keep the student perpetually childlike so that the parents never have to see them grow old.

Ha! I believed it up until "perpetually childlike." (cause you used the word "compulsory").


 111 · SFGirl on August 6, 2007 05:21 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

I also heard from the young sister of a friend, that when she was in high school, in a college in TN, she had to wear her hair in braids and fold them over like this. The school logic was, if you wore your hair open, or in a regular braid/ponytail then you are trying to attract the boys...hahah


 112 · pingpong on August 6, 2007 05:22 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Quoting Malathi,

But there were no dress code rules those years in liberal arts/science colleges, in general. Only professional colleges, if my memory serves me right. I doubt if there is a dress code in my sister's college right now.

I had not thought of this before, but it certainly seems true. I cannot think of many engineering and medical colleges where I grew up that did not behave like control freaks. The liberal arts thing is true too - in fact I know it was used as a negative statement by the control freaks. I suppose that I had a lucky time, going to college in sneakers or flip-flops, usually in jeans and a t-shirt, with a perpetually lazy half-shaved look. But then, my college didn't care what students did outside the classroom.

Come to think of it, I have watched some quaint 1980s Indian movies that showed "college girls" dressed in sarees. I cannot for the life of me imagine any of that happening today.


 113 · Runa on August 6, 2007 05:23 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

When I was in engineering college ,on Tuesdays we girls had to wear salwar kameez ( white) while the guys wore pants and shirt ( in blue).When a group of us girls complained to a female teacher that the salwar kameez was not suitable for the workshop and lab, she told us to be thankful for small mercies.Evidently, the Director of the college originally wanted to mandate sarees for girls on one day of the week.The female teachers convinced him that this was totally impractical. Gads!!

All across India ,though on campuses dress 'codes' vary. Some urban colleges were "famous" coz the girls wore fashionable, western clothes whereas others in smaller cities would have teh feamle population dressed very conservatively.


 114 · FearlessRahul on August 6, 2007 05:23 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

PindaUSA wrote:

are FearlessRahul and Rahul 2 different people?

Hehe, you must have been SOOOO confused getting slightly different advice from the same person.

Bess wrote:

Puli, here are some pick-up tips. This guy(Mystery) doesn't recommend buying a drink, rather sneezing is the way to go.

Rather than reading someone write about Mystery (who's probably not the first person you should read anyway), email me and I'll give you better resources. nospam4rahul at gmail dot com


 115 · Karthik on August 6, 2007 05:24 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
Here's a primer on the rise of "discipline" in some colleges. From second-hand horror stories, I can vouch for the following rules that were in place in one college (Sathyabama in Chennai, if you know of it):

Some places require you to wear a dark shirt and this is what happens when you do not.


 116 · pingpong on August 6, 2007 05:26 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Quoting SFGirl,

I also heard from the young sister of a friend, that when she was in high school, in a college in TN, she had to wear her hair in braids and fold them over like this. The school logic was, if you wore your hair open, or in a regular braid/ponytail then you are trying to attract the boys...hahah

Excellent logic from the school. I suppose that it's better now since it will only attract the pseudo-pedophile boys who like grown women dressed as little girls. :-D


 117 · bess on August 6, 2007 05:33 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
(who's probably not the first person you should read anyway),
Yeah, I was joking about taking advice from some guy who does magic tricks and wears guyliner.

 118 · Camille on August 6, 2007 05:43 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
... salwars with tank tops...ewww ...ouch. My brain hurts just imagining that.
I assure you, seeing it in person was so much worse. There was an element of "going native" in the whole shtick, as well, which also made it somehow uglier.
ahh....I am SO desi. just as I was about to head out, guess who shows up at my apartment? pulli-amma...
Puli, that is sad on many levels.
i think with saris, the more formal it is, the better looking they are....
The same could be said of guys and formal suits/tuxes, yes? :)

 119 · Runa on August 6, 2007 05:45 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
just as I was about to head out, guess who shows up at my apartment? pulli-amma...

Puli,
Do you think Puli-amma being there was a coincidence? Or did the mommy radar kick in and did she appear to save you from a fate worse than death ?
I am kidding


 120 · pingpong on August 6, 2007 05:51 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
Or did the mommy radar kick in

The lay-dar that kicks in when an offspring is in imminent danger of getting laid?

and did she appear to save you from a fate worse than death ?

Or was she saving him from a date worse than death?


 121 · Runa on August 6, 2007 05:53 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
The lay-dar
HA! Lay-dar Gay-dar How many more of those around?

 122 · pingpong on August 6, 2007 06:02 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
HA! Lay-dar Gay-dar How many more of those around?

Does it count if I say "objet d'art"?


 123 · Runa on August 6, 2007 06:21 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

How 'bout:
pay-dar : that invisible thing that attracts all friends, relatives and hangers-on to you when you just received your paycheck?


 124 · desishiksa on August 6, 2007 06:34 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

I would totally wear that sari, whether it's made out of denim or silk (although silk would be highly preferable). I'm with you Anna and others who don't like crystals in their kanjeevaram; I'm a purist when it comes to traditional sarees. But, I do like sarees made out of unconventional fabrics like jute and bamboo, so denim I think would be fun.


 125 · Maitri on August 6, 2007 06:35 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

I like the comment on Aishwarya Rao's post which asked, in Tamil, "What's next, a denim veshti?" Yeah, wear that to temple and get your ass kicked by a snakeskin chappal.


 126 · Shaad on August 6, 2007 06:53 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

So they have pre-pleated saris now? Wouldn't buying a pre-pleated sari require size measurements (particularly of the waist) to ensure that there is the appropriate amount left over for the anchal (pallu)?


 127 · moreMirchi on August 6, 2007 07:16 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

The more I stare at the saree...i can see a future for it (not in it yet). My first reaction was similar to seeing Kanjeevaram silk slippers (holy yuck...no way!) but y'know it could work on the denim saree. It may even find its way into Rohit Bal's denim-inpired couture collection


 128 · rob on August 6, 2007 07:51 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

98 · Puliogre in da USA
ahh....I am SO desi. just as I was about to head out, guess who shows up at my apartment? pulli-amma...
________________________________

:-(

Do you have classes every week-night--can be better than weekends....


 129 · tara on August 6, 2007 11:23 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

okay, i am a DBD who went to college in india-- i wore jeans everyday in medical school without any problems and without anyone looking at me twice and this was way back in the late 80s, no one draped a sari actually (cant have those pallus flying around in dissection lab) --so if you are in a cosmopolitan city, its all cool
but i agree, this is a desecration of the saree --some things should just not be messed with


 130 · Sunny on August 7, 2007 06:46 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

Check out our saree blog; http://www.sareedreams.com

I just wrote about Digital Sarees (sarees designed for your digital avatar on second life and sim city).


 131 · ria on August 7, 2007 07:53 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
I just wrote about Digital Sarees (sarees designed for your digital avatar on second life and sim city).

actually Yahoo Avatars does have a few indian outfits including saris, salwar kamiz and sharara. i think they also hav the kurta-jeans combi.


 132 · SM Intern on August 7, 2007 08:03 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
Check out our saree blog; http://www.sareedreams.com

Normally, we don't allow that, but since you added this:

I just wrote about Digital Sarees (sarees designed for your digital avatar on second life and sim city).

You're fine. I point that out only so someone doesn't ask later, about why one "Check out our blog" comment didn't get nuked, when the other thousand did.


 133 · gm on August 7, 2007 09:26 AM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)

This (denim sari) is just a novelty and most likely will not become a trend. I think it looks okay but is not practical and the majority of Indians would not consider adding this to their wardrobe.


 134 · Areem on August 7, 2007 04:40 PM · Direct link · “Quote”(?)
This (denim sari) is just a novelty and most likely will not become a trend.
I would totally buy one if they were made with cruelty free fibers (why do so many pretty things have to me made with silk?) I would love it if they could really approximate the texture and durability of a very lightweight stretch denim in a sari; one of my biggest frustrations with saris is how easily they snag and pull. Also, many have very little 'give' in the fabric and can be quite binding -- blend in a touch of spandex, please! A true 'denim sari' would make a durable outfit for those days when one has to help out doing hard work 'behind the scenes' at a community event, but still wants to look publically presentable.

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