August 06, 2007
Maybe when Diesel makes one?Fashion

I keed. Despite my erstwhile devotion to all things Italian and denim, I do not think that there is ANYTHING which could persuade me to wear this unfortunate schmata— and that’s not because I’m conservative or unwilling to experiment for the sake of fashion.
Kanjeevaram, my beloved, politically incorrect, guilt-inducing Kanjeevaram, is heavy and inflexible enough; so how on earth does this thing WORK? Even if it is one of those new-fangled, “lazy saris” (as my Mother calls them), which is essentially a wrap-around, pre-pleated bottom with pallu attached, it’s still not easy enough.
I’d feel mummified.
Swaddled.
Slow.
Uncomfortable, and reminded of what it feels like to get x-rays, with that heavy protective blanket on top of me. Except at least when I’m getting x-rayed, I’m perfectly still. GAH. Yes, this is freaking me out, man. Must increase the drugs…
Said one fantastically-named blogher:
After color changing saree, pocket saree, it’s now turn for a Denim Silk Saree.
Sri Kumaran Stores, once a leading name in the garments business now seems desperate for market share. So out comes thinking caps (or is it cowboy hats) and innovation for the sake of it. In contrast to the appealing RMKV’s 50,000 color/ reversible saree, the concept as well as communication is a mild put off!
Incidentally, she has a pic of a very public version of this ad; a billboard which has some serendipitous placement, with regards to local greenery. Wait a second, what the— there’s a reversible sari?
My Mother is a disgrace I tell you. A disgrace. I’m always the last to know about such sartorial innovation. How someone who wears no makeup and has never thought to read a fashion magazine bore me, I have no idea. I’m terrified that whatever it is she has will skip a generation though, and that MY daughter will be a fearsome, dreaded rapscallion of a tomboy. Obviously, my Mother is praying for exactly this, as divine revenge for having to put up with me for 32 girly, glittery, glossy years. But I digress (and I must, for truly, it isn’t a post of mine, if I don’t!).
One final note: how the hell is this suitable for elders? Because they don’t move much? Give me a set sari over this isht, any day.
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Via Maisnon, Lizzie and Yindia Uncut…thanks all. Or, um, in this case, y’all.
anna on August 6, 2007 02:00 PM in Fashion, Humor, Musings · T·r·a·c·k·b·a·c·k address · Direct link · Email post




Is my browser going crazy or am I seeing this post twice? SM Intern, please to help.
While that rascal of an intern is nowhere to be found, I got rid of the dupe-- thanks for the heads up. :)
Goddamit, i Just cut and paste pingpong's comment in the dupe to freak him/her out. Anna must have deleted it just as I posted it because I got an error.
The illustration is hilarious, though. Ride 'em, cowgirl! In a sari!
YOu can count on Mira Nair including that in her next movie.
ANNA,
Agree with you that :
1) I will NEVER wear that chimera
2) Kanjeevaram rocks !
Back in the des,I wore sarees to work all the time. I never gave in to the fashion trends and stuck to good old starched Cotton( Calcutta or Andhra ) in summer and silk ( Kanjeevaram or printed) in winter. Meanwhile the following came ( and went):
- "Shamu" satin( don't ask!)
- The tri-colored saree( yuck!)
- Sarees with matching printed shawls( not bad but tres expensive)
- Nylon sarees in psychedleic colors ( 60s anyone?)
- China silk ( hate it)
- Rayon with mettalic threads ( ugly + horiziontal stripes - never a good idea for the -er- well-endowed )
That looks awful and uncomfortable :(
Also, the model is pastier than I am. She clearly hasn't been out ropin' dogies in the American West. That denim ain't foolin' anyone, she's one a them city slickers.
I promise all of you that I WILL NOT WEAR THIS at the meetup!
yeah...i don think they have non che-che models....
While I am sari to say I don't know much about clothes for women of the female persuasion, I should probably mention that Kumaran Stores in Chennai has been doing several gimmicks like these, each more desperately attention-craving than the last. I suppose they have well and truly lost their business to Saravana Stores on pricing ("I got 3 times the clothes at 1/3 of the price") and to Nalli on quality and brag-factor ("My daughter's wedding saree cost 3 times her daughter's wedding saree"). In that uncomfortable squeeze, unwilling to seriously diversify beyond sarees, they seem to embarrass everyone around with cowgirls and reversible sarees. What next? Revers(ibl)e cowgirl?
"To bring jeans-wearers into the fold denim silk sarees were launched, Sri Kumaran Stores partner PJ Ravi informed."
Looks like someone else was feeling sorry for the sari.
what about reverse cowgirl in sari? is it related to that?
"Brilliant! All of the discomfort of jeans with none of the convenience! We'll sell millions!"
it was out hter...i just couldnt resist!
What now? The saree thread has become a wet saree thread?
i can do that to any thread....
Truly, Puli...that skill should go on your resume. ;)
now..back to topic. who are they targeting with these things. is denim fasionable in india for grls?
Imagine a wet denim saree... now that wont be pretty
What I want to know is-- is Nina right? Is this actually Tromple l'oiel executed in silk? Or is it actually some sort of denim?? Has anyone seen one IRL?
I think there was one of those in this Tamil movie.
The 25-year-old earning youth are targeted. About 400 saree-with-pockets priced between Rs 4,000 and Rs 6,000 and over 500 Maya sarees in the Rs 4,500 to Rs 10,000 range have already been sold, he added.
haha.. people actually bought em!
i think conservative saris are prettier than this POS.
Forgive me lord for I have sinned.. but the first thing I thought of was how the eff does one pee while wearing this sari? For that matter am not sure about the peeing technique in any sari but my guess would it it will have to do something with squatting and pulling the darn thing up.
Or for that matter, now I get reminded of those rape scenes in desi movies... particularly, one where the sari is thrown onto a ceiling fan.. with denim sari's, none of that fan base.
I believe denim silk is mostly rayon with some silk, 80/20.
how does one do a #2?
If that pun was intentional, it is truly one of the vilest ones that I have encountered. :)
As to all the scatalogical interest:
Whats so unusual? After all don't women go # 1,# 2 when they wear long skirts?????
It was intentional :-D I should just go back to work...
a skirt seems much easier to take off, put on...a sari looks like a rubics magic puzzle.
(oddly enough...i did wear a sari once, but i didnt need to go to the bathrooom that hour).
Weird question. I thought everybody knew. Anyway, what does this have to do with the denim saree?
Dude Puli, aren't you single and looking. Not sure if this will help your cause.
Picture of pocket sari.
Was it Hey, Ram?
Bess,
It was just about every 70s Hindi movie ,I think.Have you seen Insaaf ka Taraazu? -Don't!
I don't know that, but it was a dumb expensive movie that deserved to be made fun of. Its name with tagline was "Jeans: 0% cotton, 100% love". There was at least one spoof movie poster out there advertising a dirt cheap movie "Chaddi: 100% polyester, 0% love".
HA! nah. it was for a parody of a hindi movie....nothing that messed up.
Puli, did you cut a sari figure?
Plenty of movies actually, and for many years... I think the first thing they started showing in Indian movies after they graduated from bees and flowers and spilled milk were broken bangles and sari's on the fan.
Have they tried wool pinstripe saris yet? You know, for offices. A "power sari," worn with a cropped fitted button-down oxford shirt.
I haven't seen it and I'll take you advice, Runa, thanks!
I was given "denim" salwaar khameez at least 8 to 10 years ago when, apparently, it was very much in fashion. From what I remember, it was made of a cotton-mix with a "denim" wash. I assume that this sari is the same, and NOT actually denim.
When i visited Chennai about a year ago, my 19-year old sister and her college mates were wearing denim jeans with their long kurtas from the salwar set (i.e., minus the salwar, obviously). Sort of like a weird mix and match. In my opinion, a mix and match of the less comfortable pieces of the T-shirt&jeans / kurta&salwar choices.
Almost sounds like the lyrics to a Weird Al Yankovic song.
gave up on that cause...
And if you like to not get lost in a tiruvizha , here is another innovative solution from the same people.
Karthik,
Thanks for that link though I don't think I can ever persuade the better half to wear a coordinated outfit :-)
Scary image.
Oh, and to follow up, I also saw white girls wearing the opposite in Jaipur white salwar with a tank top/t-shirt, and I can guarantee you it looked MUCH tackier.
I shudder to think of what a girl would look like in a t-shirt and salwar. Jeans+Kurta may be choosing the less comfortable parts, but considerably more aesthetic!
my mom's in madras - i should tell her to hop on over to kumaran! seriously, though, i am very distressed by this turn in the south indian silk industry. i don't begrudge my fellow south indians their non-south indian-style sarees (see below). but i come from a family who, like kumaran, used to be one of the bigger names in sarees in madras. kanjeevarams were always the standard, and i used to love actually going to kanjeevaram (the place) to see all the different kinds of sarees they make. in the last 15 years or so (and esp. in the last 7-8 years) there has been this wave of trendy saris. i also don't mind that too much - people want the latest styles etc. but what i think is the worst is the modernization of the kanjeevaram - sometimes with the most awful embroidery, designs, and stone work. i think it's hard to take something as old-fashioned, traditional, and luxurious as the kanjeevaram and modernize it well - it just ends up looking tacky and to me, is a waste of silk and zaree, not to mention money and standards. i understand that there's a need for more 'disposable' type sarees, to go with the frequently changing trends, as well as those sarees that cater to a lower price range. my cousin tells me that weavers have started making sarees with silk mix and fake zaree - so be it. i just wish they wouldn't try to approximate traditional, genuine kanjeevaram styles with the fake stuff. (not that i think they are doing it with this denim thing).
break out, ANNA - i did. my family bemoans the fact that i don't wear sarees, and when i do, these days, it's rarely the nice kanjeevaram kind (too puffy). i highly recommend picking up indian elle (here's vogue now, too) or checking out pics from the bombay and delhi fashion shows that are coming up - there is some really lovely stuff out there.btw would not this saree be hot? the denim does seem somewhat thinned out, but by how much? for madras, i can think of maybe 5 days of the year when it can be worn....
'I Dream of Jeannie'esque
Makes sense except for the facts that Chennai is never cold--it is always hot and humid; also, my sister and her friends can never be put together in the same sentence that contains the word "traditional" :-) (unless she is in her Bharathanatyam costume)
Nina P wrote:
If this is true...I would totally wear it! I think it would be cute... *hides*malathi, that makes sense . I'm thinking of cold-ass Punjab, particularly Amritsar :)
are these white girls you see in ads & movies from modeling agencies, or are they just backpackers pulled from the street ?
louciecypher, do you mean the woman in the ad, or the women I saw? They were European backpackers.
...although I wouldn't do the blue border..something in red/orange would be a better contrast.
PREACH IT.
I'm going to have to hide with Shalu for what I'm about to type, but...I don't like crystals in my kanjeevaram.
*ducks*
I mean the girls you see in Indian ads like this and dancing in the background in desi movies
malathi, i wear kurtas (or kurtis) with cotton/cargo pants in madras - i still get to wear western-style trousers (of a thinner weight, so they're pretty cool) and the kurta is quite comfortable. plus, it's more flattering than a s-k, in my opinion.
I might as well be anti-fashion, when it comes to Kanjeevaram. Make mine a "modest", please. No wonder I ho it up when it comes to vestern gear. ;)
Something just occurred to me. The reason why denim seems to be so popular in India - is it because Indians actually want to play cowboys?
Pingpong - denims are more popular in the urban relatively younger crowd (think teens to mid 30s). It's popular for the same reasons as it is everywhere else among the younger crowd.
hmmm. I think saying Sholay succeeded only because Injuns wanted to play cowboy is too much of an oversimplification. Can't say much about the southern states, but for the Hindi speaking populace it is still one of the best all round masala movie in Indian cinema. Great performances, tight script, great action, wonderful character development, decent songs, great cinematography (for it's time), great editing, plus a great balance of various cinematic elements - action, drama, revenge, comedy, romance, etc etc. It had it's weaknesses but if ever there was a Hindi movie with THE mass appeal, it was Sholay.
ardy, dude, i was just kidding - must remember to include ';)' at the end of all sarcastic statements! even though i haven't even seen sholay, i know all about the legends of jai, veeru, and gabbar singh...
They are from my sister's pack :-)
Seriously, there are several home-grown models in Chennai (not necessarily Tamil but from all ethnicities living in Chennai), but once they have a few successful assignments on hand they want to head to Mumbai. According to my sister, one needs only Rs. 10,000 and an attitude (plus the requisite looks, height and weight, I suppose) for a portfolio touched with the marvels of Adobe Photoshop to enter any agency.
If you hadn't pointed out, I would have just thought this was a younger, taller, current generation Rathi of yesteryear. But now that you brought it up, I think I see some white blood--although that means, I will add that she carries her sari well.
Now I've got Gang Starr stuck in my head, thanks to Ardy. :)
Doh - sorry!! I guess your aroused some pathos about one of my few fav masala movies. Would urge you to check it out, cant be too boring even if you don't enjoy it as much. And I should correct
to - masala movie in Hindi cinema.
Would be presumptuous to say it's better than regional masala cinema which I have not experienced as much - Masala cinema is too sensibility specific anyways.
I thought it was just some white chick in a sari...
You guys are worried about bodily functions in this saree? Think about it, people! Have you ever seen Clint Eastwood engage in any such business, even when eating a diet rich in canned beans?
What I wonder about is where her six-shooters, spurs and knee high boots (a natural evolution of the sari with sneakers look that overruns this country during the summers) are? And how does she function in the saddle?
Maybe instead of snuffing someone at a DC meetup (jay) we should make them wear one of these ugly sarees.
I think if I saw an 'elder' wearing this I would lose all respect for them.
Is Kumaran really suffering that much for business?
Puliogre is a dude???
That has become very common in India, and as Camille says, it works with the older people (one can be traditional and at the same time, its less fuss). Also in colleges, where wearing western clothes is frowned upon (yes, I have heard of "rules" that forbid the freshmen from wearing anything "western", even in cities like Chennai) thats a good option.
Camille, salwars with tank tops...ewww
note to self....spend more time on SM yammering on about pretty grls. (apparently i havent gotten the point across)
I think that what we've got here is a failure to communicate.
Wouldn't a lesbian do the same? ;) :)
its probably god that i didnt go to college in india. they would have loathed me...
yeah...but im far too clueless to be a woman.....dont you know? men are dumb. women are evil...
Puli DUDE!! Men are innocent, women are evil...
Puli, it's probably because I haven't spent enough time here on SM (newbie).
Karthik@52. Thanks for the link to the jodi pattu. now i know what to get all of my relatives on their 20 and 25 wedding anniversaries. :-)
sweet...velcome.
So, PindaUSA, how did Friday work out? To buy or not to buy a girl a drink? Straightened-hair detritus or curly hair? Flotsam or jetsam?
ahh....I am SO desi. just as I was about to head out, guess who shows up at my apartment? pulli-amma...
Camille, ouch. My brain hurts just imagining that.
Well, for the sake of silver linings - better she arrive before you left rather than after you returned home with the i-banker chaser.
my mom would start planning the wedding....
Tell me about it. I was harrassed in Anna University by an engg workshop instructor of all people for wearing jeans to workshop several years ago (but I wore it everywhere else too because my favorite mode of transportation was the humble cycle). I quit in my 2nd year because I couldn't take it any longer (it being the whole engg scene; the harrassment by the instructor just made it easy for me). The rest (of my life) is history. But according to Rahul's link, the dress issue is still not history at Anna U, and after all these years the yare targetting the boys. Why doesn't it surprise me.
But there were no dress code rules those years in liberal arts/science colleges, in general. Only professional colleges, if my memory serves me right. I doubt if there is a dress code in my sister's college right now.
i dont even follow my dress code at work...
Personally I think they're better than decent. Yeh dosti? Harmony in a Hindi film song was so rare, and it was done right. Mehbooba? I don't even need to say anything. Then again I'm an R.D. Burman fanboy. The man's music was featured in a video game preview over 30 years later. That's staying power.
are FearlessRahul and Rahul 2 different people?
Puli, here are some pick-up tips. This guy(Mystery) doesn't recommend buying a drink, rather sneezing is the way to go.
Yes.
i think with saris, the more formal it is, the better looking they are....
I assure you that it would have been heartily reciprocated.
Here's a primer on the rise of "discipline" in some colleges.
From second-hand horror stories, I can vouch for the following rules that were in place in one college (Sathyabama in Chennai, if you know of it):
* No interaction between students of different academic years (apparently to "prevent" ragging/hazing).
* No interaction between males and females (apparently they talk today and become pregnant tomorrow).
* Everybody uses the college bus system compulsorily, no matter how inefficient. This was so that the student could not take a scenic detour on their way home, to the movies or whatever. The buses would drop the student off within line of sight of their apartment so that he/she would not take off from the bus stop. No riding to college on a motorcycle and bragging about it.
* Absences from classes required a note from parents, or a personal meeting with the parents.
* No food to be brought from home. All food to be eaten in the campus cafeterias at the scheduled lunch hour.
* Males to dress in trousers and full-sleeved shirt (in Chennai, irrespective of the weather). No rolling up the sleeves Rajnikanth-style. We are trying to run an educational institute here. Females to dress in salwar-kameez. No t-shirts, male or female. No jeans, male or female. No figure-hugging clothes. Are you coming to college to study or to display your body? Only black leather shoes. No sneakers. No sandals. No flip-flops. No long hair for males. No beards for males. No half-shaven look for males. Only braids for long-haired females.
* Compulsory hormone injections to keep the student perpetually childlike so that the parents never have to see them grow old.
* OK, maybe I made the last one up.
Having read all that, I am indeed surprised that Sathyabama has not had a violent mass killing spree so far.
The most blood-curdling part of this was that some parents I knew (including some ghastly aunts of mine) actually liked this system. Bunch of control freaks I suppose.
Ha! I believed it up until "perpetually childlike." (cause you used the word "compulsory").
I also heard from the young sister of a friend, that when she was in high school, in a college in TN, she had to wear her hair in braids and fold them over like this. The school logic was, if you wore your hair open, or in a regular braid/ponytail then you are trying to attract the boys...hahah
Quoting Malathi,
I had not thought of this before, but it certainly seems true. I cannot think of many engineering and medical colleges where I grew up that did not behave like control freaks. The liberal arts thing is true too - in fact I know it was used as a negative statement by the control freaks. I suppose that I had a lucky time, going to college in sneakers or flip-flops, usually in jeans and a t-shirt, with a perpetually lazy half-shaved look. But then, my college didn't care what students did outside the classroom.
Come to think of it, I have watched some quaint 1980s Indian movies that showed "college girls" dressed in sarees. I cannot for the life of me imagine any of that happening today.
When I was in engineering college ,on Tuesdays we girls had to wear salwar kameez ( white) while the guys wore pants and shirt ( in blue).When a group of us girls complained to a female teacher that the salwar kameez was not suitable for the workshop and lab, she told us to be thankful for small mercies.Evidently, the Director of the college originally wanted to mandate sarees for girls on one day of the week.The female teachers convinced him that this was totally impractical. Gads!!
All across India ,though on campuses dress 'codes' vary. Some urban colleges were "famous" coz the girls wore fashionable, western clothes whereas others in smaller cities would have teh feamle population dressed very conservatively.
PindaUSA wrote:
Hehe, you must have been SOOOO confused getting slightly different advice from the same person.
Bess wrote:
Rather than reading someone write about Mystery (who's probably not the first person you should read anyway), email me and I'll give you better resources. nospam4rahul at gmail dot com
Some places require you to wear a dark shirt and this is what happens when you do not.
Quoting SFGirl,
Excellent logic from the school. I suppose that it's better now since it will only attract the pseudo-pedophile boys who like grown women dressed as little girls. :-D
Puli,
Do you think Puli-amma being there was a coincidence? Or did the mommy radar kick in and did she appear to save you from a fate worse than death ?
I am kidding
The lay-dar that kicks in when an offspring is in imminent danger of getting laid?
Or was she saving him from a date worse than death?
Does it count if I say "objet d'art"?
How 'bout:
pay-dar : that invisible thing that attracts all friends, relatives and hangers-on to you when you just received your paycheck?
I would totally wear that sari, whether it's made out of denim or silk (although silk would be highly preferable). I'm with you Anna and others who don't like crystals in their kanjeevaram; I'm a purist when it comes to traditional sarees. But, I do like sarees made out of unconventional fabrics like jute and bamboo, so denim I think would be fun.
I like the comment on Aishwarya Rao's post which asked, in Tamil, "What's next, a denim veshti?" Yeah, wear that to temple and get your ass kicked by a snakeskin chappal.
So they have pre-pleated saris now? Wouldn't buying a pre-pleated sari require size measurements (particularly of the waist) to ensure that there is the appropriate amount left over for the anchal (pallu)?
The more I stare at the saree...i can see a future for it (not in it yet). My first reaction was similar to seeing Kanjeevaram silk slippers (holy yuck...no way!) but y'know it could work on the denim saree. It may even find its way into Rohit Bal's denim-inpired couture collection
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ahh....I am SO desi. just as I was about to head out, guess who shows up at my apartment? pulli-amma...
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Do you have classes every week-night--can be better than weekends....
okay, i am a DBD who went to college in india-- i wore jeans everyday in medical school without any problems and without anyone looking at me twice and this was way back in the late 80s, no one draped a sari actually (cant have those pallus flying around in dissection lab) --so if you are in a cosmopolitan city, its all cool
but i agree, this is a desecration of the saree --some things should just not be messed with
Check out our saree blog; http://www.sareedreams.com
I just wrote about Digital Sarees (sarees designed for your digital avatar on second life and sim city).
actually Yahoo Avatars does have a few indian outfits including saris, salwar kamiz and sharara. i think they also hav the kurta-jeans combi.
Normally, we don't allow that, but since you added this:
You're fine. I point that out only so someone doesn't ask later, about why one "Check out our blog" comment didn't get nuked, when the other thousand did.
This (denim sari) is just a novelty and most likely will not become a trend. I think it looks okay but is not practical and the majority of Indians would not consider adding this to their wardrobe.