September 13, 2007
But what will the community think?!Humor
Ah, Padma.
Padma, Padma, Padma.
Potentially Mallu (I thought you were TamBrahm!) beauty, accomplished author and Television ish-tar, you speak so uniquely and that takes some talent. What sort of talent, I haven’t a clue, but I’ll credit you anyway, because I’m fond of you like that.
A few years ago, you made every Desi man’s heart beat a little bit faster, from the joy of the improbable occurring; if a supermodel would marry an award-winning, uber-protective, “distinguished”-looking author, then everyone had hope (as long as they did something extraordinary. Or had a looooot of paisa). It was the ultimate Revenge fantasy and that’s exactly what it was, because the dream, it died. You and the man who defended your intellect, who insisted that you were being shortchanged by the focus on your outsides, you are…kaput.
So, what to do, except to follow the well-established mores of our culture. You don’t recall? I am happy to remind. Now comes the time when you cast your eyes downwards, marinate in the somber reality of failure and wait an appropriate time before you are back on the scene, the ultimate “Innocent Divorcee, no issue”. It is imperative that you be seen alone, that you not be photographed with strange men touching you, because if a potential groom from Madras or Bangalore sees that, chee, vat he vill think?
So it is paining me, Padma-akka (chechi?!) to see you emulate the controversial example of that Sarita Denzel Masala of Mississippi, especially since you chose to do that in the front row of the Marc Jacobs show, where everyone could see you! Aiyo! What’s the one thing your Amma told you, edi?
“Don’ bring home a Kala or Muslim.”
Stop lying, you aren’t special, she totally said that. [Aside: whenever I hear that oft-repeated phrase, I wonder what would happen if one chose to bring home a KALA MUSLIM, but I digress]. I’m well aware that all of our parents ignorantly shouted this rather nonsensical order at us, in an attempt to be helpful (though I’m sure for our Muslim friends it was “Don bring home a Kala or a Hindu!”, since the hate goes both vays).
So, what are you doing? Yes, this Russell, he is healthy, wealthy, wise. He does yoga. He is a vegan (unlike you! Naughty, naughty omnivore!) and he seems kind. BUT. He has two children! And his ex-wife will smear Vaseline on her face, take her bamboo earrings (at least two pair) off, hand them to her assistant and then CUT YOUR ASS UP. Have you not seen Life in the Fab Lane, starring Kimora Lee Simmons? Put down the bong and pay attention: you should be terrified!
Worst of all, when I was watching the Today show this morning, I saw your “friend” Russell. He was wearing his “uniform” of baseball cap, sweater, shirt, jeans, sneakers. Ek tiny problem: there was an OM symbol on his jeans pocket. Now I am both Christian and a quondam lover of status denim (Diesel, Blue Cult, James et al), so I am just slightly, less offended than half of those who are sure to comment AND I get that the kundi pockets must have some elaborate design on them, to show people you have rs.5500+ to burn on a pair of pants which was once worn by the working class…to WORK, but I was taken aback when I saw that, much as I was when I viewed this commercial. Someone who is so entranced with our culture should know better than to put a sacred image on a back pocket!
Om on pocket? Home with two kids, and a fiercely mean ex-? Far too friendly hand on your leg? What are you thinking? Who will want you, if you continue with such shenanigans? They will burn you in effigy, I tell you. Or worse. They will call for strikes. The sweatshops in Bangladesh will stop stitching Phat Farm and Baby Phat crap! There will be chaos!
I only say all of this to be nice. I am concerned for you! If you ask me, you should try to be more homely and make sure you fast on Fridays for a good husband; perhaps your kinda-boring cooking show can tape on other days? Vatewer. I care, so I advise. I am like this only. You should be, too. Hangari!
Photo via NYT. A big, juicy “thank you” to Rumor Monger, for the tip. :)
anna on September 13, 2007 01:41 PM in Humor, Identity, Issues, Musings · T·r·a·c·k·b·a·c·k address · Direct link · Email post
Or as Saleem Sinai would say, funtoosh (what he actually meant to say was khallas, but that is another story).
Oh Padma,
Please, please tell us that the secret to attracting succesful,rich men has to do with intelligence and not your Victoria Secret body.
- Your deluded sister (handicapped by not having your amazing looks)
Aren't you married?! :D
Anna,
So what?I can dream can't I ? :-)
- Married NOT dead !
Being unoriginal here, but she's married, not dead. ;)
Ha. Now I'm just thinking about the looks on the male Top Chef contestants' faces when Padma pulled them out of bed on last night's episode!
BTW, am I wrong or does every single contestant mispronounce her name?
Getting my popcorn, this is gonna be good...
Where are all the necrophiliacs at?
- DEAD, not married.
What? Why does every desi sister have to advise Padma (who's in no way my sister).
-NotDead NotMarried
Apologies to everybody for this totally unrelated comment : since i'm currently listening to this music...this video is for Padma
Saleembhai called his Padma goddess of dung. Presciently dissing future ex?
Runa, I posted my comment before reading yours! :)
I just remembered it from someone's comment (yours?) a while ago on SM.
Duh, didya miss this?
;)
At least Russell is staying true to his interview--and sticking with dating models (or ex-models):
You're known for dating models. What do they offer besides flawless skin?
They’re better than actresses. Actresses are kind of a little crazy.
source: 4/29/07 New York Times magazine interview
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/29/magazine/29wwlnQ4.t.html?ex=1189828800&en=d7b2a3b0163a97fc&ei=5070
since padma seems to like the 30 year age gap in general, maybe i have a chance once she is a few years older. i too can have surgery to reopen my eyelids. and i am nice hindu boy. parents should be happy, no?
- "dead, not married".
Padma should go after Ben Kingsley next. He just got married to his 4th 20 to 30 something bride. So he is due for a divorce in a couple of years. Ben even started a production company for his young Brazilian wannabe actress wife.
oh no, you didn't!! now the masala butter chicken tandoori comes out..
Anna, I counted 14 links in your post. What are you trying to do? Cause ADHD among your readers? :D
(j/k)
I can't help it! I used to watch every ep...then I faithfully caught up via "marathon" weekends...now I'm all..."eh...well, if there's nothing else on...".
Now that Piven has hit big with Entourage, maybe he can have a semichance with her. She seemed to toy with him during his DiscoveryHD channel travelogue to India.
Padma, you give older men so much hope...Russell hash to bes atleasts 55
Piven got Mrs. Gold, that women makes little hairs on the back of my neck standup!
Pravin wrote:
Mmmm...Ari.. =)Bah-humbug, these models are a dime a dozen--if you drift around Soho to/from a late lunch, you see them (most look Slavic, to tie into Abhi's post!), swan-like (presumbably just having arisen from a blow-fueled binge), drifting the streets without makeout or hair done. The main criteria of selection for the catwalk seem to be only two--1) height and 2) thin. Makeup artists and hairsylists seem to be the real pro's.
Nothing especially wrong with celebrity culture (as Razib could tell us, we're hard-wired for gossip). Just don't be too impressed about Padma--other than her choice in men. ;-)
I'd do Padma over Pamela Anderson any day. It is mindboggling KidRock and Tommy Lee are still fighting over this ugly plastic overly madeup bimbo with HepC, especially Kid Rock who is younger than Tommy Lee and has no kids with her.
They could get hotter disease free chicks with fresher faces and natural tits. Why fight over a used up hag?
By the way, Piven would not fall for the marriage trap with her. He would do her and then he would do someone else.
More wit, less misogyny. Thanks.
She was already a little too plasticy by the time Baywatch showed up. I am sure Kid Rock can do better than that.
Thank you!
And may I just point out that Kid Rock and Tommy Lee are no prizes themselves...
Desis in the entertainment world don't care about race or religion.
Russell appears to have been a busy man at that show.
maybe Padma is looking to open up another branch, desi khet
SBM said:
Glad to see it starting somewhere. =)Desis in the entertainment world don't care about race or religion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rimi_Sen
Glamsham.com interviewed Sen in July 2006 about her work in the movie Golmaal. In the interview Sen said, "I play a sweet and beautiful girl in the film. The best thing that I like about the film is that though it has four heroes, I am the only heroine. Rohit Shetty is amazing as a director. He can make even a black African look pretty."
some races aren't an issue. the lisa ray polish type races.
I had to look twice to see where his hand really was!
another macaque goes outside the tribe.
Shalu:
What?? : )
Dude Chet Snicker,
That is true Rima Sen said that, and was conduct unbecoming.
However,
Anju Mahendru (a starlet who was one involved with Rajesh Khanna) was also once engaged to a West Indian cricketer, Sir Gary Sobers. I think Gary Sober eventually married another Indian.
Neena Gupta, another actress claims that her daughter is fathered by no other than West Indian cricket legend, Vivian Richards.
Now, to religion. Cross religion pairings.
Should I start with
Raj Kapoor - Nargis
Dev Anand - Suriya
Dharmendra - Meena Kumari
Nargis - Sunil Dutt
Shah Rukh Khan and his wife
Aamir Khan and his wives #.1 and #.2
Kishore Kumar - Madhubala
The list never ends.
I do not know all this......or just a broken record stuck at one sentence.
Correction: I do not you know all this......or just sounding like a broken record stuck at one sentence.
sir,
i do not dispute the relative ubiquity of inter-religious pairings, that is manifestly clear from simple inspection. but would you deny that there is an asymmetry to the racial openness in the south asian entertainment industry? e.g., on the previous thread about slavs it was noted that some of them work in bollywood (yana gupta). and yet how plausible would an african actress be? unlikely i would hazard to guess!
yours truly,
c.v. snicker
and yet how plausible would an african actress be?
as if, hollywood is full of them where the country's population is close to 25% african origin.
FYI: Neena Gupta and Vivian Richard's daughter name is Masaba. She is all grown up now.
Trivia:Raj kapoor never married his reel and real life love interest Nargis, but married Krishna Malhotra .Suraiya remained unmarried all her life as her grandmother opposed her relationship with Dev Anand.......
Just in case we need another fair and lovely twist from the Malayalee male---
(I'm not sure if this has been posted before, but what the hey, it's funny and you've got a lazy Malu dad in his sleeveless undershirt and munde)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Is-9F4kPJk
Trivia:Raj kapoor never married his reel and real life love interest Nargis, but married Krishna Malhotra .Suraiya remained unmarried all her life as her grandmother opposed her relationship with Dev Anand.......
Yes, they didn't but a lot of others did.
Sir,
That is because the India public, the hoi polloi, is not ready for black actresses. I thought that much would be obvious: movies are business decisions.
No one ever accused Bollywood of a social conscience.
More trivia:
Evidently, Mani Ratnam's Bombay was the first time a mainstream Hindi film portrayed a Hindu Muslim couple - India Today did an article on the "novelty " of it ...
Though: Amar Akbar Anthony did show Akbar played by Rishi Kapoor ( born a Hindu brought up a Muslim)and his Muslim love interest.I also spotted a Hindu-Muslim couple in Gulzar's "Lekin" .Can't think of any others...
Sukka-Dukka
You're known for dating models. What do they offer besides flawless skin?
They’re better than actresses. Actresses are kind of a little crazy.
source: 4/29/07 New York Times magazine interview
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/29/magazine/29wwlnQ4.t.html?ex=1189828800&en=d7b2a3b0163a97fc&ei=5070
Flawless Skin?
So Russell staying true to his interview?
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/89/242034928_659512389c.jpg
I enjoyed the bamboo earring reference myself.
as if, hollywood is full of them where the country's population is close to 25% african origin.
12.4% of americans are black, not 25%
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/ACSSAFFFacts?_submenuId=factsheet_1&_sse=on
Runa#49,
I think you are right, the only other movies I can think of are Coolie where Amitabh's character was Muslim and Muqaddar Ka Sikander where Rekha's character Zohrabai was Muslim.
There are many Dahek, Julie etc
Max,
I think she mean't pre Bombay which is pre 1995, and Julie had a Christian Hindu pairing.
12.4% of americans are black, not 25%
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/ACSSAFFFacts?_submenuId=factsheet_1&_sse=on
Sir Razib, I know that. That 12.4% is of those who self-identify as African Americans in the census
Now, let us to start including the Creoles (the ones who do not identify as African Americans, some do), and all the mixing that went for 300 years or so. Part African is more than it is acknowledged in USA.
25% is number I read (I said Afircan origin in my comment, not African American), and I am busy with work to cite.
Kamalhassan had a Fair skinned Tamil Brahmin - Dark Telugu Non Brahmin pairing with Sarita in MaroCharitra. In India, that could be even more drastic of a pairing. The brahmin father freaks out at the possibility is son would consider marrying a meat eating non Brahmin. A lot of "aiyyyoooo"s were uttered by the character.
sorry, my bad....
However the most recent hindu boy-muslim girl-unsupportive parents-movie is Salaam-e-ishq. It also featured an american girl-meets-anpad taxidriver angle.
Now, let us to start including the Creoles (the ones who do not identify as African Americans, some do), and all the mixing that went for 300 years or so. Part African is more than it is acknowledged in USA.
the genetics is pretty well studied now thanks to companies like ancestrybyDNA.
about 80% of the ancestry of african americans is "african" (20% european)
about 1% of the ancestry of non-hispanic whites is "african"
puerto ricans are about 30-60% african depending on your sample (the balance is european and amerindian)
cubans are in the same range
(though the typical american cuban is whiter and american puerto rican blacker in terms of the ranges above because of specific migration patterns)
mexican americans are probably on the range of 5% if mexico can serve as a model
so no, you don't get anywhere close to 25%
Max,
I think there are many examples in the recent times, including Veer Zaara
I am a huge fan of Padma. (Not just because she's a smokin' hot Mallu gal either.) Her first cookbook sold very well. Initially, the first model-hostess of Top Chef sucked. That's why she wasn't called back after Season 1 of Top Chef. For Season 2, she was replaced by Padma, who was called back for Season 3! I love Padma's look she wears very little makeup. She has an amazing body too. And, you can tell she has not had any work done - unlike a lot of people in Hollywood & Bollywood. She doesn't wear the cheesy colored-contacts that many desi actresses do. I've met her in person at events, street and Kalyustan's (she has an apt. in Midtown East). She looks so beautiful.
About her attraction to older men... Maybe it's because her father had no part in her life. Her parents were divorced when she was just an infant and she was raised by her mother. I've her that girls who have an absent father tend to get attracted to older men.
This Russel guy is a total yoga nut. He has all these Indian artifacts in his house and is always talking about hinduism and yoga, but then again I would be looking for a way to clear my head to if I sold records to kids telling them how they should never report crimes and should sell drugs and kill in order to get some ass.
Basically he sells poison to young black minds.
yea brown, I was just stating the most recent movie and hence the reference to SEI. I do however acknowledge that there have been many cross-cultural love stories since Mani Ratnam's Bombay....
I beg to be differing. I've totally heard that or variations thereof..."BITCH! I. WILL. CUT. YOU." etc ad slanginum. ;) Besides, think of how old both of these vomen are...and then it seems that is current enough. Everyone over 30 dwells in the past anyway, since hiphop and everything else musical was better 15 years ago. :D
this may be (although I don't understand how the puerto rican number depends on the sample but the number for the US as a whole does not).
my problem with bandying about the 12.4% number is that it implies a uniformity of distribution that is not there. iowa and georgia are completely different things. DC and Detroit versus, say, Simi Valley (just an example) are two completely different things. the peaks in that distribution, as well as the troughs ought to be acknowledged, by qualifying such numbers with some minimal geographical tag.
i know this is a bit OT.
Max,
I think we are on the same page, I apologize if it comes across as otherwise and I am definitely not trying to be an ass, back to Padma now:)
Her wikipedia entry says she was born into a tambrahm (iyer family), does anyone else know if she is Malyali?
yes, what IS she?
although I don't understand how the puerto rican number depends on the sample but the number for the US as a whole does not
the puerto rican migration to the USA was supposedly slight biased toward more lower class individuals. the prosperous "white" puerto ricans tended to stay put. the cuban exile community is biased toward the upper & middle class refugees, who were disproportionately white. so if i draw upon a study from admixture analysis for cuba or puerto rico for the case of the USA i would use the prior knowledge of the migration pattern to bias my range.
the peaks in that distribution, as well as the troughs ought to be acknowledged, by qualifying such numbers with some minimal geographical tag.
this is the reason given for why most americans overestimate the number of jews and blacks in the general population; they're overrepresented in the LA-NYC based media.
does she keep the title 'lady rushdie' forever? wiki still has that.
so i wonder what would be more objectionable: a muslim white? or a hindu black?
That's my guess.
How about palakkad iyer? that satisfies both sides of the equation(mallu, tambram)
Based on my personal experience I think Muslim White will be more abjectionable too.
Ok.. I haven't seen Top Chef in a couple of weeks but somebody please blog about Sara, the brown hope in TC.. Is she still around in the competition?
H O T
Actually, I'm pretty sure Kimora doesn't give a shit, considering.
anna, everything else
musicalwas better 15 years ago.P.S. This:
wins major points. Not that it's a competition or anything. ;)
Now I just need to find that Fendi bag...
What an absurd illogical conclusion.
“Don’ bring home a Kala or Muslim.”
Padma could easily pass for a Somali or Ethiopian from east Africa; and she and Russel look the same color. Personally I think Russel is downgrading here. Kimora looks far more attractive.....and self-confident.
Padma could easily pass for a Somali or Ethiopian from east Africa; and she and Russel look the same color.
kinda was thinking the same thing.
just checked with my folks...black still trumps muslim ;)
Perhaps I shouldn't have sugarcoated shit. I just felt bad for Rushdie, who got sick of the "Beauty and the Beast"-refs, and tried to tread as gently as possible. It wasn't my conclusion, btw...
iz rushdy fugly? i always thought he looked a bit sinister with the eyebrows, but i thought chix dig the bad boys....
Am I the only one that finds Padma a bit of a minger (harsh, I know)? Her body is overrated, imo. Give me Katrina Kaif, Penelope Cruz, Monica Bellucci, Paz Vega, Giselle Bunchden, any Victoria's Secret bird!
I remember listening to one auntyji saying this to her daughter as she prepared to send her off to America for college. I went home fervently praying that the girl would come back with a black Muslim...no such luck. The daughter remains single in the city.
Hmmm. Fair, fair, fair, fair, fair w/o spray tan, fair w/o spray tan..
To each their own.
K...
Halle Berry/Tyra Banks/Beyonce/Nandita Das > Padma
nandita das?
Anna #86,
You are absolutely right.
Not to hate on the pasties but I personally prefer people with Padma's color, the color for me is more pleasent to look at and I have always been attracted to browner skin tones, I am not saying this well but there is a nice attitude with color. Think Carol Gracias, Djimon Hounsou etc.
I had an uncle who, in his own inoccuous way, would try to tease my mom that once I went to college, I would be bringing home a black girl to marry. I didn't find it funny as I saw nothing wrong with dating a black woman. Funny thing happened. His daughter confessed to me recently that she had a two month fling with a black guy just to see what it was like . HA HA HA HA! I guess she told me because she felt I wouldnt judge her. I do not think her parents know about it yet. I hope she tells them one day.
His daughter confessed to me recently that she had a two month fling with a black guy just to see what it was like
what exactly does that mean?... ;-)
Speaking of well-sexy black grls - that b*tch (Rihana?) who sang that bollox, overplayed song "under my arm braella eh eh" got a fit body. [remainder deleted]
i had a friend who went off to brown u in providence and dated a succession of black guys (that was her preference). when she went home she put her hijab back on. it was pretty hilarious (one of her boyfriends was even a stripper).
toned down version but still supports her fathers sentiments in a way. The fling I guess was just in rebellion or a case of forbidden-things-are-more-attractive......
She's fit, mate. Nice facial features and a well-proportioned body.
she looks very nice and statuesque, but i was unimpressed with her when she spoke at an event, did not find her as smart and articulate as i had imagined her to be based on her choice of movies. seriously dented my crush on her (of course, i'm sure she is still curled up in a ball crying her eyes out about this tragic turn of events).
yesssssssssssssss Nandita anytime over any of the women mentioned in this thread ...
I keep thinking about this.
I wonder if she might just give one, based on what I've seen of her. I could imagine her being irrationally jealous (i.e. human), even as she gets down with my favorite actor from Gladiator. :) After all...that's her BabyDaddy we're discussing. :D
Two months to get flung?! What, did she reach orbit or something?
But more seriously:
Really curious to know - does "Kala" here apply to generic dark-skinned people of any race or does it specifically apply to people of African origin? I have NOT been given this advice (yet?), and I'd also like to know if this is advice given only to daughters or to everyone.
The latter. Most definitely.
Can anyone think of a desi dude (famous or otherwise) who dated/is dating a black girl? Seems to me that desi girls "go black" in higher numbers. Why?
this.
skep, ben kingsley's brazilian wife seems to have some african admixture looking at her (most brazilian "whites" do actually).
Some more inter-religious pairings (some married, some not) connected to Bollywood (and to cricket too)
Sharmilla Tagore and Mansur Ali Khan Pataudi
Sangeeta Biljani and Mohammed Azaruddin
Shekhar Kapoor - Shahbana Azmi (They never married)
Hirtik Roshan - Suzanne Khan
Nagma - Sourav Gangouly
Praveen Babi - Amitabh Bachachan (A very strong rumor)
Praveen Babi - Mahesh Bhatt
Aishwaryia Rai - Salman Khan
It is a never ending list.........
"Indian men usually have arranged marriages. Don't bother."
Oh, its given to everyone. I got it too. My brother used to promise our parents a bride who was "a divorced muslim black girl with two kids", if they didn't stop bothering him about getting married.
Runa, how about Mughal-e-Azam (Akbar and Rani Jodhabai)? ;)
http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial2.shtml
for 1.5 & 2nd gen american asian indians
percentage of asian indians who have black husbands: 1.7
percentage of asian indians who have black wives: 2.5
I followed your link...and found an unbelievable amount of suck. Can't believe the stuff people think.
Runa, how about Mughal-e-Azam (Akbar and Rani Jodhabai)? ;)
Runa,
A lot of mughal period movies (they were really Indian film industry staple diet in 1950s) showed Hindu-Muslim pairings, since quite a few Mughal rulers married Rajput princesses in real life.
It is true, that Mani Ratnam's Bombay was more realistic, and present-day story of inter-religious pairing. Then you have Mr. and Mrs. Iyer by Aparna Sen.
yes. thank that almighty old guy with the white beard for the internet and its power to effortlessly waft ignorance and bigotry far and wide.
Razib, thanks for that link. So, my hypothesis was pretty wrong.
Also interesting, desis are more likely to marry black than any other asian ethnicity included in that study. (except for philipino men)
Also interesting, desis are more likely to marry black than any other asian ethnicity included in that study. (except for philipino men)
well, the difference is minimal. i don't know what the N's were so 1.7 vs. 2.5 might not mean much. second, the marriage patterns of browns are very different from other asians; not the sex balance in outmarriage.
Razib, I followed that link, and I think based on the accompanying text that the numbers should be flipped around. The text for instance says "Korean women are most likely to have a white spouse...nearly 50%" while the table lists "48%". The table terminology was confusing at first .
There were some things further down that made interesting reading. In particular, black males who have Asian spouses are most likely to have an Indian spouse and least likely to have a Korean spouse. Indian males were *LEAST LIKELY* to be the spouses of Whites, Latinos and Other Asians.
(These figures are only for US-raised Asians).
"But, I will say one positve thing about indian men.. They have PHD's in the science of passion.." (p. 17) LOL. Perhaps she is refering to a Jatt/Punjabi bloke? ;)
If you play your cards right (with a Jatt bloke), you will never go back to ____ blokes. ;)
Padma is hot, but it's that model kind of heat that looks good but feels cold. Also she sounds like she's smokin the doobie all the time. Has anyone actually followed her recipes?
If I'm looking for food porn, my eyes have a hard time wandering further than Nigella.
Razib, I followed that link, and I think based on the accompanying text that the numbers should be flipped around. The text for instance says "Korean women are most likely to have a white spouse...nearly 50%" while the table lists "48%". The table terminology was confusing at first .
my bad, invert it!
Heresy! How can you say such things on SM?! Have you *read* Anna's descriptions of an SM meetup? :P
In particular, black males who have Asian spouses are most likely to have an Indian spouse and least likely to have a Korean spouse. Indian males were *LEAST LIKELY* to be the spouses of Whites, Latinos and Other Asians.
the last is key, look at the us-born or raised...and the % of the 'other asians' is rather high for the other groups vis-a-vis indians.
That is true. I now think I may have screwed up the *second* paragraph of my comment #114 (flip husbands and wives to get the correct picture). My apologies.
Would you know where I could find a complete matrix of who has been marrying whom in the US?
Yes, you are both right.
I remember being amazed when Bombay came out and that article came out in India Today that Mani 's movie was literally the first time that the lead pair in a mainstream movie were Hindu Muslim.My amazement was that it took so long considering that I myself know plenty of Hindu Muslim couples
Of course, after that the "taboo" was lifted and many movies now show Hindu Muslim couples....
I have no recollection at this moment of something written in regards to food porn at a previous meet-up. The one I attended the topic of food porn didn't come up while I was there.
However, I will admit to the guilty pleasure that is Nigella.
I also like milk chocolate sometimes of dark Belgium chocolate. Just yesterday I stopped at the store just to get myself a big Hersey's chocolate bar. Ahh, just like it says, Hershey's happiness. =)
Of course, my standard assortment of chocolates for the ladies comes from my favorite place in VA, Artisan Confections.
Obviously, sweets are on my mind at the moment.
I just scrolled through here, but what about Damon Dash/Rachel Roy?
Actually, this was the Meetup Writeup I had in mind, especially that photo of the luscious beauty and the effect it had on the first several commenters. A very delectable photograph, showing the juicy parts glistening softly in the light, just begging to be eaten.
But for interracial food porn, there should be a perfect photograph of a paneer dosa with ketchup.
http://www.census.gov/population/cen2000/phc-t19/tab01.pdf has interracial/ethnic marriage. the numbers above were constructed from census 2000 long form data sets, those aren't in this.
Well, I'm sure few black women would want to be involved with Indian men regardless of the potential for a good relationship. What kind of psycho wants to have anything to do with a culture that hates their skin color (no apologists please LOL)! I'm a black woman and it's never gonna happen. The Indian Bollywood thing/the casual racial slurs/casual colorism disgusts me overall, I would be flipping out on the guy 24/7 for not condemning every single slight I heard which would obviously result in a horrendous relationship!! I date white guys, because believe it or not, racist though their reputation is, they love dark skin on average more than any other race of men, of course not all of them are like that, but a lot of them are, especially Europeans. Also, the average non-racist white guy honestly has no skin color preference; the same cannot be said of other races of men (the non-racists that is).
Indians make no sense to me with their racism towards African Americans - many AAs can easily pass for Indian, if not white. From Wesley Snipes to Wentworth Miller, AAs can look like anything, and are often anti-racists (what with being labeled black and everything that comes with it), so some random Indian with tanned skin and East Indian features would easily be at loggerheads with a blue-eyed/European looking Wentworth Miller who is extremely sensitive to racism.
ooooh. this thread's getting even better. getting my bourban.
I respect your experience. However, as a person of color, I am sure you yourself have heard unfair generalizations about AA culture and it must have hurt.How come you are making the same generalizations about another culture?
Racism of any kind: Indians towards AA ,AA towards Indian, Indians towards whites, Whites towards Indians etc etc - none of it makes any sense to me .Yet there are examples of each - so should I just give up on the human race?
to paraphrase an eloquent savant:
i like imnotbeingfunnybut
and i can not lie
RE: indian guy/black woman pairings
I've found that the Indo-Caribbean community is more ok with kids dating black people, and I've seen a few examples of brown guys and black girls going out (but more the other way around). I know one Guyanese girl whose father is Indian and whose mother is black and who participates in lots of different brown cultural stuff... and we all accept her.
I think that American media in general doesn't depict black women in a favorable (meaning attractive) way, leading to black men dating out their race more often than black women (regardless of who the other half of the interracial pairing is), which might be why we all perceive more indian girl-black guy couples than black girl-indian guy couples. e.g. Norbit, Big Momma's House, fucking Tyler Perry (ok he's not as bad, but I just don't like him very much)... and then there's the bizarre phenomenon of Asian women being represented in larger numbers in mainstream porn than black women, even though there are so many more black women in the country (of course there is a market for the 'ebony' lovers, but I'm talking mainstream here).
imnotbeingfunnybut, i'm sorry you've had such a bad experience with the indian community that you've completely ruled out dating indian guys. but just so you know, there are lots of great indian guys out there who don't give a $hit about your race (the only thing they'll care about as far as your looks go is that you're hot). (my brother is one of them)
also, nitpick.. but wentworth miller is extremely mixed. most people who don't see people of different races on a daily basis probably wouldn't even guess that he's anything but white. i think he himself would object to being completely 'claimed' by the black community.
you sound so sweet and non-judgmental. thank goodness the "aa rap thing" does not have any casual slurs or anything else that's disgusting. otherwise, i'd never be able to be with a black woman, be it venus williams or alicia keys.
I think that American media in general doesn't depict black women in a favorable (meaning attractive) way, leading to black men dating out their race more often than black women
in the USA media might be a factor, but i think there's a generalized contempt for the kala kuffar with juju-only culture. that is, brown people perceive black africans to be without any native high cultural product (while in places like trinidad and guyana the blacks view indians as heathens for their non-christianity). i recal reading once that in the early 1960s the local black muslims in zanzibar rebelled against their omani arab rulers. for several days militiamen raped the daughters of the arab and indian population. the point was that there was no argument that blacks were not good enough for their daughters anymore and it established who was now in charge.
imnotbeingfunnybut's were strong and with little nuance, but reading SM you get a sense that black-indian couples have it harder. i recall seeing recently one poster talking about how her mother had disowned her for having become engaged to a black man. but her mother herself had married a white man and been disowned!
color-consciousness is pretty universal among people of color. look at mexican television, or read up on color issues in brazil, or the idealization of mestizo beauty in the phillipines. and it is also exists in spades in the black community. remember "middle class brown" muhammad ali declaring dark skinned joe fraser a gorilla? that being said, american blacks are at one extreme in disavowing the elite promotion of these biases, even if they still play out in day to day life and personal choices (e.g., the pairing up of successful dark skinned men with light skinned black women). i think south asian culture should be subject to some critique until a more thorough "black is beautiful" movement does emerge which at least serves as a nominal counterpoint to beauty ideals which are out of the reach of 90% of indian women (bipasha basu is the dark skinned woman in bollywood, but she seems a bit lighter than the average brown if you ask me). [i know about the dravidian movement, but i don't think it has affected beauty ideals as much as it might have]
ImNotBeingFunny, for someone who lectures Indians on a color complex, would you care to lecture AA women on all the straighteners , weaves and extensions when they can be black and proud. What is wrong with those 70s Afros? And I did watch School Daze. Maybe I should generalize the entire race of light skin vs dark skin AA differences based on that movie. No race is perfect. Don't come in lecturing us if you are really an AA woman and not someone else pretending to be one.
i agree, but i doubt that the phrasing will ever come under the term 'black is beautiful' (if in english). maybe 'dark is beautiful,' but i don't think even the darkest indians think of themselves as 'black.' i'm ok with that actually, because i don't think desis (IN south asia) think of light-skinned desis as 'white,' they think of them as 'light,' so i think it would make sense for people to consider 'dark' beautiful as well. (then again, in my experience, light skin has only been used as an unquestioned sign of beauty... no one i know in real life has ever actually tried to 'distinguish' themselves fro