October 09, 2007
Facebook Stalker -- Penn MasalaMusic
The following video has already been viewed 3.2 million times on YouTube, so it hardly needs a link from me. But what the hell, it’s funny:
Penn Masala have a new CD out, and they were recently featured on NPR. But why do I have the feeling that they will now be best known — and beloved — by college students everywhere for “The Facebook Skit”?
amardeep on October 9, 2007 11:13 AM in Music · T·r·a·c·k·b·a·c·k address · Direct link · Email post
Thanks for the link, Amardeep! Haha its so true, I searched my university facebook groups for "perfect 10's" "The A-list" "Hottest girls at __ university"...hoping I would bump into one of those chicks on campus or in class (it never happened). I began poking and messaging these random hot girls, when I saw some of them on campus (I was recognized due to my profile picture and low student population of brown guys), I got cold stares and weird looks from 90% of them. I had to deactivate my facebook account and keep on the downlow for a while.
Regarding Penn Masala, this is the first time I've heard from them in a long, long time (2003?). Perhaps someone can inform me about their latest ongoings?
Nevermind, they have a new CD.
This is funny. :)
Is it just me, or does the singer lose his Apu-like accent a quarter of a way through the song? Accent training needed, indeed!
Anyone have news on Raagapella? I've heard from friends from Cali that they are even better!
...are you for real? what upsets me most about this is that you've taken on the handle 'Jason Bourne.' The real Jason Bourne wouldn't resort to such lowly, creepy tactics.
Jason Bourne, I have to say, I find your comment a bit troubling. This video is a joke about stalking -- but you sound like you've actually done a little stalking; I'm not surprised you got cold stares from women you tried to meet this way.
In some ways I'm glad I went to college before the social networking era. I've been having fun with Facebook Apps like Scrabulous, but I still prefer having a real social life when it comes down to it.
the other thing about 'Jason Bourne' is - on the thread about The Compulsive Confessor, he said that he wouldn't be proud to have a sister or daughter like eM. well, 'Jason Bourne,' I'd be ashamed to have a creepy stalker like you in my family.
Yes, it is true, but a lot of guys I know do the same thing. My friends are worse than me. One of my friends (Patel) looks up random girl's dorm/apt address on facebook and stalks/visits them : o . Its not our fault that our university is 62% male and 37% female.
Jason Bourne is my inspiration to change : ( .
what is this facebook where one meets women? do they make good martinis there?
umm wtf. just because there are more men than women at your university is not an invitation to literally STALK them. nor does the fact that your friends are 'worse' than you make it ok.
... and so it's ok to do it. The brown theory of relativity!
One of my other favorite PennMasala gems is "Show Me the Meaning of Being Desi". I was looking for a video, but couldn't find a good one with them in it. :(
I was at the concert they gave for the release of their 2nd album. At it, they did a brilliant "Behind the Music" spoof that they showed in parts throughout the concert. I've been looking for clips of that ever since then, but to no avail.
this is funny and yet strangely disturbing too....
I agree i preferred being at uni before all these networks were around... i keep my profile v limited on facebook and the best thing was it helped me reconnect with old friends but i hardly spend anytime on there.
Real friends are way more fun that x number of online friends.
They say stalking is the sincerest form of flattery.
and are the women really hot on facebook? i mean as hot as katarina van den heuvel? as smart as jenna jameson?
I wonder if you will hold this opinion after the restraining order.
I wonder if you will hold this opinion after the restraining order.
Restraining order is dispositive evidence of flattery.
I love that song as well. "I'm a fob just look at me....how to party I don't know....clothes that match don't interest me baby" :D
mean as hot as katarina van den heuvel?
I bet she was pretty cute when she was at Princeton.
aaaah! an optimist and a sincere fan. flattery indeed. :D
On a related note, some opinion pieces about online social-network sites:
From NYT: The Fakebook Generation
From WSJ: More, But Not Merrier
What I find most intriguing is summed up in this quote (from the WSJ article): "Sites such as MySpace or Facebook don't allow users to distinguish among various types of personal relationships: your lover, your best friend, your work colleague and your mother are all "friends" in this world and are all categorized in the same way online."
Now that is creepy.
This is hilarious, very very good.
what Katrina Van Den Heuvel is not preety?? I think she is the preetiest amongst pundits.
Poking and messaging girls on facebook makes me a stalker? I've never stalked a girl in my life. My friends have, I have not.
Are you an undergrad in college? To reiterate, I have never stalked a girl in my life. I poked and messaged girls on facebook, thats it.
Amardeep & Nala, if you're not an undergrad in college, do you have younger undergrad siblings/cousins in college? Ask them.
That's pretty creepy, but I have to ask: who puts their physical address on Facebook? Seriously, that's just stupid!
Jason Bourne - yes, I'm an undergrad in college. maybe it depends on the type of school you go to, but at my school, it's kind of thought of as weird if a stranger randomly messages you and pokes you without even adding you as a facebook friend. regardless of whether your behavior is literally 'stalker' behavior or not, it's still messed up (and will NOT get you laid), which you realized when you deactivated your facebook account to lay low for a while, as you said.
Sarah - some people put their dorm and room number. assuming that you're part of a university network and only people in that network can see your profile, they'd probably have access to that information anyway, through the school, so i don't think it's that dangerous...
The video was hilarious. I do think that women/men need to take precautions on these i-net social networking things. You never know who's a weirdo. I ened up making a great girlfriend back out East circa 2004. She messaged me and said something like, "I just moved back from Cali. You seem super cool. I'm looking for girlfriends." I kept thinking she was some creepy dude trying to lure me to a bar and then would nab me (this is after I talked to her on the phone). I was totally wrong, she was just one cool chick but I brought my friends to be safe on our first "date"!
forgot to add - until now. but i guess i don't have to worry, b/c i go to a school where there are slightly more women than men!
Since we're on this thread of hollering via facebook, can anyone please explain to me why desi brothers in cali and india friend me on facebook when I'm clearly located in NY? And in a relationship? I purposely put a picture of me and my boyfriend in my profile at all times to deter this type of contact, but to no avail. I get poked and messaged quite a bit and usually decline away. I also find it particularly odd that I get attention since I'm the most unphotogenic person I know, and the end of the day, how can you determine that you're attracted to someone after looking at a photo that's as big as a thumbprint?
But honestly, I think time is better spent on a dating site like Match or even a post on Craig's List, Jason Bourne. After living in a city as crowded and (potentially) lonely like NYC, I understand why it's easier for people to meet online. But at least on a dating site everyone's intentions are known and you're not making any unwanted approaches.
Nala - fair enough. It is weird to poke and message random girls -- but, hey, I'm a weird guy.
Sona - this is why I restrict privacy settings so that strangers who are not in my school networks can't see my profile pic. (well, that, and i'm intensely private to begin with)
On a related note, check out this video. Tamil song with English subtitles (as heard, not the real meaning).
Freshmen.
I'm not into dating sites, but thanks for the info. I love white girls but can't get any cute ones in the good ol' USA. You know what's creepy? When "washed up" White women in their 30's and 40's hit on you : ( . It happens frequently whenever I hit up a club or bar...I wish they would leave me alone.
@31: how is this related?
lol! tell them to poke you on facebook instead.
out of curiosity, where do you get them? are you getting them in another country?
" mean as hot as katarina van den heuvel?"
"I bet she was pretty cute when she was at Princeton."
heh :-) John McEnroe writes about his infatuation with her during his school days, in his autobio.
'Jason Bourne' - again, are you for real? I'd recommend double-checking what you write before your post... the misogyny in your posts is ridiculous. Gee, maybe there's a reason you can't 'get' girls, of any race?
LOL!
chaitain: @31: how is this related?
Desi + music + funny connection. Tenuous, i know. :-)
White girls? No, I don't get them from another country. Asian girls are into me for some odd reason, so I occasionally date them.
You're a funny guy!
Jay-B,
Not all women in their 30s and 40s are washed up. Watch your language, boy.
This seems to be a ripoff (or imitation, at least) of "MySpace: The Movie," the short film posted to YouTube more than a year and a half ago. The kid responsible got a lot of press (NPR, NYT, 20/20, etc) and had some possible production deals? I don't remember all the details, but there's probably more here and here.
*shakes head* I will stop commenting in this thread. The economics one looks interesting...
Sorry, Hot Old Mama.
the whole 'poke' thing really creeps me out. Facebook is intensely populated by people who should know better.
mr. cicatrix - my math teacher senior year of high school (the year that facebook opened up to high school students) was on facebook, and he/his profile was known for 'poking' students who had just joined facebook. um, no one has still figured out if it's really him or an anonymous student playing a joke.
i was in high school before the age of face book. my high school band teacher just skipped the technology and spent all day b*nging under@ged grls. went to pr!son 4 it.
A friend explained the whole "poke" thing to me the other day. She knows someone who works for facebook. Apparently when you poke someone, they can see your limited profile for a week, to see if they like you and maybe want to poke back or be friends or something..or whatever...
now, when you poke someone on facebook, does that mean you want to be friends, or "friends"
that my friend (no quotes) is your and the pokee's call!
what happens if it's a girl poking a girl...maybe all they want is friendship but the whole idea of 'poking' online is strange. i'm sure it's slang for shagging (uk slang)
pre-emptive bubble burst. nice.
lesssbianism, its a san fransisco treat
Poking is more than likely a evolution of the old 'fingering' command on Unix systems which would allow you to see when a user had been last on the system. People used to write little tags with their identities, etc... and you could read them. It was fun back in the late 80s and earlier 90s to finger people because you might also 'chat' with them if they were online. Also you could see if people had gotten online to read their email, if you had sent them one. Back in those days, people didn't check email for weeks at a time!
This social networks are exhibiting interesting behavior as they become more complex.
Also I find the exchange between Nala and Jason Bourne to be very revealing how different the college social scene is for male and female desi(s).
Sona, these are people who don't know you?
I actually am not bothered by the lack of distinction among "friends" online -- if you're my "real" friend I probably email/call you on a regular basis. If you're a facebook friend I don't. Nothing complicated.
I love the Masala boys. I took my parents to go see them in CA a few years ago, and they were charmed. I definitely got a, "Beta, where are the singing boys like this at your school?" :)
yes, it was fun. i went to get popcorn to settle in and read some more, but apparently Jason Bourne has left the thread. pch! somebody else please say something outrageous so we can disagree with you ... ha ha, ok, just kidding. back to work.
Sona you are cute as a button, but regardless - some people online will poke/message/etc. you regardless. It's what my friend calls "playing the coefficient". Contact enough people, whether you think you have a chance or not, and one of them should pan out. It's like on the matrimonials websites, when you get messaged by someone who doesn't match what you've explicitly stated you are looking for. "I'm only looking for men in the NJ/NY area." "Hi, I live in Yaddayaddanagar in Texas."
And no, I'm not a Sona-stalker. She's my friend in real life.
I however am a Fuerza stalker. As are half the boys on the East Coast ;).
Playing the coefficient. I love it and may have to use it again and again.
And to answer Camille, they definitely don't know me. I tend to get confused though and think they may have been a family friend or someone I knew from Sikh camp (yes, like band camp) and then I look at their profile and voila....they are not.
Has Sepia ever looked at networking pattnerns of desis on facebook or myspace? How many desi pride groups there are or other cultural afficionado based sites? That might be interesting, though I have a feeling there would be less Tagore and more Shah Rukh Khan.
Sona that is annoying as sin. Usually when random people friend me I'm related to them in some way, but I don't recognize them because it's been so long since we've seen each other!
As or the stalking component, I remember being at college and a family friend was in the same class as me. We hadn't seen each other for a few years, but were spending a lot of time together since the class. She was like a kid sister to me. One day she told me about this note that had been left on her car window. This Indian guy had written how he had seen her on campus and was too shy to approach her, but wanted to take her out. We discussed it and I said if she was curious she should meet him in a public place, etc... they ended up getting married and having 3 kids. The entire time at their reception at some Indian restaurant in Fairfax about 12 years ago, couldn't stop grinning cause it was so funny when people would ask in conversation if anyone knew how they met.
LOL! Oh Jason Bourne, you're so odd and creepy yet you feel misunderstood. Will you be my facebook friend?
I'm joking, so don't get your manties in a twist. Really, though, I found it hilarious that yours was the the first post on this thread and instead of laughing at the joke you could actually relate. Of course we all get that the concept of these friendstermyspacefacebook sites is slightly stalkerish in itself since you can be 'viewing' a person at any given moment in the day while people are doing the same to you.
And why is the fact that your lonely male friend is a Patel relevant? You can accuse a Patel of a lot of things, but 'stalker' doesn't ring any bells.
its like some combination of Patel Motel and Norman Bates..
Join the Sepia Mutiny group on facebook if you haven't already :0)
LOL! Let's get the admins to add the facebook link next to the friendster link. hehe. that way more innocent sepia/facebook users can be poked by Jason and come to this post to complain. hehhehehe. ok, may be that's lame.
hi i am sweet indian guy wid lots of hobbies like dancing, partying 4 fun. wanna make frenship wid me???
OMG, Puli, my high school band teacher too. That's really weird.
(There were also public incidents involving the gym teacher and the journalism teacher... yeah, it was quite a school.)
wow...a lot of messed up band practice....
its like some combination of Patel Motel and Norman Bates..
Damn you, Puliogre! You always have to find a connection, don't you? Guess I walked right into that Six Degrees of Patel Motel trap...
yeah...everything is connected to gujju motel owners.
is stalking inherently creepy? why should j-bourne be criticized for being mesmerized by a pretty face? back in college i was stalked. it didn't really bother me and i actually wouldve liked it if the girl was cute.
Are all botanists stalkers?
are all those who appreciate natural beauty, botanists?
what is the sound of one hand....err..never mind.
Never heard of Penn Masala. But amusing. BTW, salon has linked to sepiamutiny on this.
salon link to sepiamutiny
Serious posts about the political crisis in Pakistan ==> very few comments
Funny YouTube videos ==> link from Andrew Leonard at Salon.com
Oh well. Guess that's how the Internet works.
I havent had a chance to watch the video, but I wanted to share my 2 cents on this so called stalking.
I get invites from people who I might or not have known to add as a friend. Given my hotness factor, I am not used to any kind of unwarranted attention. One fine day I figured out that, these people send mass invites to all their contacts or something - gmail is a real culprit. It was so funny, when a girl who literally looked through me one evening added me as a friend the same night. It happened with both orkut and facebook, so I figured its just bad requetiquette.
facebook is too ...complicated. i wonder how the amrikans manage to run thru it! peanut butter stuck on the roof of the mouth freaks them out and this doesn't :P
this side of the world (GMT + 5:30) ..yea in the 'motherland' orkut rules. And it's an even bigger disaster when it comes to privacy. any Jason Bourne can check out any Nala's profile. numerous cases of cyber-stalking thru orkut in the media!
orkut shows the last 5 people to visit your profile ...which is most often a motley group of potential stalkers and any Rahul, Suresh or HotRod4U can write on your scrapbook with a fraaandship request!!
facebook's catching up in india too primarily b'coz the cool amrikan friends/ex-classmates/cousins are on fb and not orkut. but then as a friend had this gyaan-ful lesson as his status msg - "fb sux! u can't browse profiles of random chicks ...bah!"
as for Jason's case, y'all are treating him like an outcast for speaking out his mind. what he says is normal behavior among guys ..in US and more so in India. girlies, if that freaks u out, hear this - there is a very distinct possibility that ur dear bhaiya or lovey-dovey bf/hubby has done the same at some point of time. Yes - the level of poking varies from person to person.
get real!
another brown theory of relative standards. i'm not as bad as the guy who is worse than me. so it must be ok.
stop scaring me!
I know it was written way up there, but Re: Raagapella. My brother is in that group and they recently had a couple concerts with A. R. Rahman and Sukhwinder Singh, so they're doing all right. As far as them vs. Penn Masala, I haven't heard too much of Penn Masala so I can't compare them, but I think Raagapella does a pretty good job. Some of their stuff is on youtube so you can check that out
Arjun - joint concerts with A.R. Rahman and Sukhwinder Singh?! goddamn...
not really. i've met a lot of my brown male friends at college (including my boyfriend), and none of them are stalkers. they're normal. i guess this does depend on where you go to school and where the general student body is from/where the desis are from though. but only slightly so.
get real!
um, no. i'm aware that lots of people look at strangers' profiles, walls, pictures, etc. - but i have never known anyone pathetic enough to 1) look up facebook groups to find out who the supposedly hottest girls on campus were (instead of using his own eyes and/or dick), 2) message and poke complete strangers, or 3) literally stalk girls (as in the case of Jason Bourne's friends.)
umm, agreed with Camille... I think you seriously misunderstand what 'stalking' is, and how scary it can really be. Good on you for being able to shrug off your own 'stalker,' but um, again, I think you really don't understand it if you're hoping that the girl had been cute instead.
you're right, why do i bother... oh right, because i'm home for break and bored out of my mind. maybe i should be spending more time on facebook instead.
Amardeep, why not invite LeftyProf? I'm sure you two will have a very interesting conversation. :p :D I doubt if it's the Internet. It's us humans and what (we think) touches us more directly.
Qualification: Internet does play some part in the direction taken by a "conversation."
Related: here is my favourite facebook-stalking joke.
Yes Nala exactly you're proving a point to me which I didn't actually articulate in the earlier comment. There are cliques of different levels of social hierarchy in the desi college scene.
15 years ago, people of brown color were given the benefit of the doubt in meeting, something I mentioned in this thread during another post. Further back, I remember my parents getting excited about meeting other Indians when we first moved to DC Metro area in 1980.
Of course, you're referring to the act of un-solicited attention from males on Facebook. It's still interesting that it's beginning to exhibit the more complex nature of person to person social interactions with sub-divisions into smaller groups.
As for your boyfriend and male friends, I'm sure they don't masturbate either. :)
umm, agreed with Camille... I think you seriously misunderstand what 'stalking' is, and how scary it can really be.
I just think he had used the wrong word.
Lion, they don't masturbate for the fear of losing their eyes :)
Also I think 'facebook stalking' kinda waters down what stalking really is
I think we were pretty harsh on Jason here, some people like to meet new people in life , some don't.
Thats the case with social networks as well. I frequently scrap strangers on Orkut if i like a
good photo they've put , or something funny they've written in their profile. Though it helps
to find a statement such as 'like to make friends' in their profile.Also my scraps are genuine
messages of appreciation/questions rather than just friend requests.
This i don't consider stalking. Going on & googling about them would be stalking ?
This i don't consider stalking. Going on & googling about them would be stalking
Stalking implies contact, whether through emails, letters, verbal, etc... these "pokes" or whatever, are borderline. Everything else is surely wasted effort, but not stalking.
HMF:
Are you sure about that? :)
once, someone used google to find out who "puli" was, and got in touch with me off line...
Hilarious!
Sad thing is, that is really the TRUE FACE of modern day youth.
It's happening people. Aren't you glad you're past 30?
hey, HEY! no hating on 20 something, and something teen mutaneers.
People, I don't think Jason Bourne is "stalking" in the traditional creepy sense. He and his friend just checked out people on Facebook and attempted to see them in real life. What is the difference between that and seeing some cute guy you like in class or wherever and then following him discreetly for a few minutes to see where he hangs out so that you can "accidently" bump into him at some later point in time and hopefully strike up a conversation to get to know him more?
What is Facebook for if not for meeting people?
That being said, I'm still glad I'm in my 30's.
masturbation is normal. messaging girls you have no connection to through facebook or standing outside their place of residence watching them--why, hoping that they'll fall at your feet and fawn all over you?--is not.
though i have to admit, my first reaction when we see the vaseline bit in the linked video was, "ew!" that was the merging of normal and creepy. :P
To keep in touch with people you already know. If you want to meet people for romantic interests, I'd recommend match.com or shaadi.com.
and I don't think you should underestimate Facebook/youth. I get like 5 million invitations to various political-themed events/groups every day (e.g. the show your solidarity with the Jena Six by wearing black day, the show your solidarity with the monks in Burma by wearing red day, etc.). And the Posted Items and Messaging features make it pretty easy to get a message out, and the Events feature makes it easier to organize protests or whatevs.
If Facebook is only for keeping in touch with people you already know and for informing each other of noble events, then why the "A-list" for hotties and such?
Sorry, I don't buy it. Like most internet connects, the underlying theme is "hooking up" with someone.
Well considering that you're in your 30s and I'm in college (the demographic that Facebook was originally created for), I apparently have some explaining to do...
The hotties list that Jason Bourne mentions are facebook groups found within most school networks, stuff like '10s of '10' or some shit like that. Unless group membership must be approved by the creator (rare), mostly anyone can join these groups. So consequently most of these groups are full of people who think they're h0t shit (regardless of whether they actually are or not), and there are many hot people who are NOT in such groups because they think they're just kind of dumb.
I really don't think the underlying theme of Facebook is 'hooking up.' I think that for nearly all the college students I know, it's really actually keeping in touch with friends, whether through writing on each other's walls, inviting each other to events, putting up photo albums, etc.
I really don't think the underlying theme of Facebook is 'hooking up.'
It really doesn't matter what you think the underlying theme of Facebook, or who the original demographic is for. It's obvious the demographic changed by so many companies blocking the site altogether.
As far as the underlying theme, it's really for the inventors to say, and they pretty much want anyone to use it for whatever they want, just as long as they use it. and it runs the gamut.
What is the difference between that and seeing some cute guy you like in class or wherever and then following him discreetly for a few minutes to see where he hangs out so that you can "accidently" bump into him at some later point in time
There is no difference, most women will turn hypocrite and try to argue out some difference, when none truly exists.
I think its interesting that a younger user such as nala has a fixed notion of facebook usage vs 'someone in their 30s' when most VCs believe the opposite is true; early adopters generally being more adventurous.
HMF- yeah the demographics have changed, but I was talking about within the context of a college campus, since 'Jason Bourne' is an undergrad too. My point was, while all college students I know may use facebook to strengthen relationships with people they only tangentially know (like, hey! you're in my French class), no one uses it to hit on complete strangers. also, i've lurked on SM for a while so i'm familiar with how you think women are hypocrites, and my break ends today so i'd rather not get into this argument. All I'll say is, it's generally women's past experiences that make them wary of men staring at them from afar or following them up close.
Most guys browsing facebook don't stop at just the face.. and this is where the problem lies.
coincidentally, i once heard the facebook founder say he only hires young people, apparently unaware of anti-discrimination laws. he argued they are simply smarter, more creative, and easier to train. and he mentioned something about all the chess champions being young and great scientists, writers, etc doing their best work in their 20's.
but i have noticed, in the VC world, old people acting young: learning a new language, going back to school in their 40's, taking painting lessons, etc...in an attempt to stave off the dementia. also dressing young. no suits. its a quirky world.
well...thinking about how i used to think in college, my underlying reason to "getting to know someone i already know tangentially" like "hey, your in my french class" was
"hey your in my french class" (and kinda h0t) "lets get to know each other"
"but i have noticed, in the VC world, old people acting young: learning a new language, going back to school in their 40's, taking painting lessons, etc...in an attempt to stave off the dementia. also dressing young. no suits. its a quirky world"
My uncle's a partner at Kleiner Perkins the stories I could tell :)...
My point was, while all college students I know may use facebook to strengthen relationships with people they only tangentially know (like, hey! you're in my French class), no one uses it to hit on complete strangers
That's all well and good, but if someone were to do it for that purpose, it's no different than Tara's female real-life example of doing the same thing.
My uncle's a partner at Kleiner Perkins the stories I could tell :)...
spooky, i just got off the phone with them and am in the middle of an e-mail to them (not a desi partner though).
What does "VC" mean?
for everyone else it means "venture capitalist". for me it means "viet cong"
virile communists
vasectomy clippers
spooky again. shouldn't you be dialing for $$'s puli
vaseline consumers
if i did what i was supposed to, i would never be on SM. couldnt let that happen.
and...if i wasnt on SM, i couldnt "stalk" you all...
puli quotes himself in 120. commenturbation.
Is this really "acting young" or just plain living life?
I always find it odd when I visit family in India that most of the 35 year olds carry on as if they are 60+. No life outside of work and home, work and home. For many of the women it's just home, home, home. It's as if the very essence of vitality has been zapped right out of them. They are always perplexed by why I want to do and experience so much when I'm there.
"spooky, i just got off the phone with them and am in the middle of an e-mail to them (not a desi partner though)."
Do what you can for the poor guys :)...I know as of late summer Benchmark was kicking their ass a bit.
commenturbation. hard for others to watch. fun for me. completely natural.
yes, its living life. and its important to do these seemingly trivial things as one gets older, ie learning things that don't necessarily have a practical value. it keeps the mind active. VC's understand this since the job entails destroying old companies who cannot think out of their box and capturing their market.
which is why the profile look like this. you won't see that at jpmorgan.
ahh...the life. i feel like the WAMU bankers box.
sorry to interrupt the wanksteration, but...
just to clarify... do you mean that tara's female real-life example is similar to using facebook to 'strengthen relationships with people they only tangentially know' or to 'hit on complete strangers' (which is what JB was doing)? if it's the former, i kind of agree, and only 'kind of' because i don't think that any of these examples are EXACTLY the same as each other.
apparently y'all think i came down too hard on JB. well i guess i can't know how 'creepy' his messages to these girls really were, but obviously they were put off by whatever he said. i get the sense that it has more to do with JB not knowing how to maneuver that well socially than with malice (though i do think his comments on this thread were enlightening of his immaturity, and i'm not really surprised that girls are put off by him if he can't even appear to seem like he's approaching them for a reason other than just thinking they're hot and wanting to get laid). what put me off most though, was his sense of entitlement, like he's entitled to 'get' lots of hot young white girls, and anyone else is 'washed up.'
d*mn it. i am ENTITLED to nubile whyte chyx! i am also ENTITLED to throngs of adoring fans. *puli grumbls and gets back to his loosery job*
do you mean that tara's female real-life example is similar to using facebook to 'strengthen relationships with people they only tangentially know' or to 'hit on complete strangers'
It could be either, it's a fine line really. If some chick sees a cute guy on campus, or in class, you could argue they are complete strangers, or tangentially know each other, just by virtue of being in the same class or school, right?
(though i do think his comments on this thread were enlightening of his immaturity, and i'm not really surprised that girls are put off by him if he can't even appear to seem like he's approaching them for a reason other than just thinking they're hot and wanting to get laid
Are you suggesting that men lie about their intentions when dealing with women? Whatever happened to being honest? whatever happened to being yourself? Are you suggesting men cloak their intentions?
stalking is wrong. all you have to do, in order to aviod being a stalker, is follow these simple 3 rules:
1. Be handsome
2. Be succesful
3. Do not be unattractive
I think it just snowed in hell.
Is somebody drinking the Pity Whine today? We really would be in trouble, however, if all the unattractive failures in the world were actively stalking women. Thankfully, this isn't the case. We do, however, have an excess of people who blame subjectively delineated categories for their failures with potential partners. Much like the average person will blame the economy for their fiscal woes.
this is hilarious. i wonder what james bond and george smiley are going to say about jason bourne when they meet at the pub tonight.
Andrea Dworkin is shivering
are all the hedge fund guys into bondage?
*shrugs* I didn't find it humorous at all. But on the upside it was nice to hear Pennmasala again.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dHi-ZcvFV_0
HMF- I've never said any of the bolded, so I don't understand your faux indignation. I can't speak for other female SM commenters or other women in general, but I tend to just call it like I see it. I'm not suggesting that men lie about their intentions... I'm just saying that obviously there's a reason why 'Jason Bourne' isn't getting any!! Also, there's a difference between being honest and going up to a girl and saying 'I want to fuck you and that's it.' I don't think I'm qualified to really discuss this 'how men approach women' thing anyway, since I've never really 'dated'-all my relationships have been friendships that turned into something else, and most college kids don't really date anyway I think. I've derailed the thread enough, so I'm going to bow out. I'm not even going to touch what Manju said, but I'm glad HMF & Manju found something to finally agree on!
well i don't know about george smiley, but i bet james bond thinks that jason bourne is an idiot for actually spending his time not relying on hi-tech gadgets and actually being a good spy, instead of bedding whoever he sees. ...hm, maybe jason bourne and SM's 'Jason Bourne' do have something in common after all.