January 16, 2008
Once you go Pak ...News
What is it about Princesses and Pakistanis? First Jemima Khan converted to Islam to marry Imran Khan. Then there was a whole drama between Princess Diana and her one true love, “Mr. Wonderful”, Dr. Hasnat Khan. Diana was reportedly considering conversion and possibly even a life in Pakistan. And now, the ever reliable Sun reports that Britney Spears is also considering converting to Islam and moving to Pakistan to be with her current boyfriend, paparazzi Adnan Ghalib.
But let’s back up to the Diana story first, because it’s the most interesting. According to her butler, Diana begged Khan to marry her:
“This was her soul mate,” he said. “This was the man she loved more than any other. It was a very deep and spiritual relationship.” Khan would often visit Diana and her boys at Kensington Palace, Burrell added, because the Princess was “adamant” that William and Harry get to know and grow to like Khan.Burrell revealed that he and Diana discussed giving Khan his own quarters at the Palace and that the Princess was so serious about marrying Khan she asked Burrell to find out if it was possible for them to have a private wedding.[Link]
She even met his family in Pakistan and kept in touch with his mother:
[Said Khan’s mother] “She was so nice, so friendly and down to earth. She met my mother, Hasnat’s grandmother, my nephews and nieces, all the family.” [Link]
Meanwhile she stopped speaking to her own mother because of her mother’s opposition to the relationship:
“She called the Princess a whore and said she was messing around with eff-ing Muslims and she was disgraceful and said some very nasty things.” It was after that conversation, he said, that Diana decided she didn’t want to speak to her mother ever again. [Link]
Dodi then, was just a rebound, a way to get Hasnat jealous after he said that cultural differences would make it impossible to marry. This explains why the relationship was so public, and why she courted the paparazzi whose attention would spiral out of control:
She started dating Dodi in part, said Burrell, to make Khan jealous. …”She knew very well what she was doing.” All those tabloid photos of Dodi and Di cavorting on his yacht? The Princess counted on the cameras watching them… [Link]
Britney Spears seems intent on proving the adage that history repeats itself, first as tragedy then as farce:
Meanwhile the fallen singer has been telling pals how much she’s in love with Ghalib, 35 and that she plans to marry him and convert to his faith, Islam. In her crazier moments she’s even been threatening to fake her own death to start a new life with him in Pakistan.The News Of The World also revealed that Ghalib’s respectable Sunni Muslim family in Birmingham are so horrified by his antics they have disowned him. One family member told the paper: “His parents … are devastated. This week his dad gave him an ultimatum, ‘Give up Britney, or you are dead to me,’ which Adnan ignored…” [Link]
Meanwhile Pakistani women are wondering what they need to do to get a bit of attention:
“Look at the way they treat our women. I think they are so chauvinistic and full of themselves. I wonder what these women find attractive in them? May be they should launch their charm offensive on Pakistani women. That’s something we women will never complaint against,” Haq chuckled. [Link]
And Rasika is warning other desi men not to get too (ahem) cocky:
Move along guys, there’s no coat-tails for non-Pakistani desi men to ride here …
ennis on January 16, 2008 01:44 PM in Arts and Entertainment, Events, News · T·r·a·c·k·b·a·c·k address · Direct link · Email post
What happens once you go Malayalee?
The Rasika clip made me laugh out loud. Thanks for the entertainment=)
There's no end to your folly.
You only date Nepali.
Nina #1, girl you become a kolayalee (murderer)
Oh lord...can someone please slap a restraining order of some sort on BS to prevent her from getting hitched to someone? Where are the freaking adults?
As for Diana, ugh she's been dead so long. Now someone is dishing dirt on her. And people will buy it to read it. Not me.
Speaking of conversion....do Hindus require any such thing? Has anyone ever heard of the men converting the women among Hindus the way Muslims seem to do? OK I'm not really even entertaining any man converting to marry a woman at this point...never seen it happen.
The story is coming back up because of a legal inquest into Di and Dodi's deaths and accusations by Dodi's father that the pair were killed by British secret service, at the request of Prince Phillip, to stop them from getting married. This is why the Butler was testifying, and hence why you'll see a lot about Di in the news again.
This Rasika Mathur was hilarious...I laughed out loud. I'd like to email her how funny she is.
What's the slogan behind Tamil lovers?
Muslims are only allowed to marry Muslims. Therefore they insist the non Muslim converts. Hindus and Sikhs who tend to marry outside their religion don't insist on it because they don't have the same complex.
While it is not exactly encouraged, Muslims can marry others of the book - i.e. Christians and Jews. However, the polytheistic kafir Hindus are a strict no no.
I have. I've seen (white) men convert to marry women who were Catholic, Mormon and Jewish. In at least one case, that describes the parents of a friend of mine. But yeah, it's not as common.
But didn't some of the moguls marry hindu brides?
It's not a "complex" as you describe it. The Muslim marriage ceremony (or is it the nikaah) requires both parties to sign some sort of contract, which can be done only by Muslims (I'm sure I am mangling many terms here). I have a white friend (in fact, some of my best friends are white!) who converted to marry his Muslim bride so that her parents could see her have a Muslim ceremony. Of course, both husband and wife are completely non religious, so the conversion was purely for the purpose of the marriage.
Will that mean we will never see another photo or hear another word of her ever again? Marry on, Britney!
12 · sa said
The Moguls did not always obey Islamic law. Babur had sex with teenage boys and his grandson Akbar was an apostate.
A funny women is a rare breed and that video just gives farther evidence. I think the reason is that the comedy is to woman oriented and guys just dont get it, just like if a Indian comedian is Indian oriented then only Indians will get it and everyone else thinks he sucks.
Funny women I can think of:
Mindy Kaling, the Indian girl from The Office
Sara Silverman
Wonda Sykes
Tina Fey
Lisa Lampanelli
Diablo Cody
Also the women from Reno 911 are hilarious.
13 · Rahul said
Muslim women can only marry Muslims. Muslim men can marry Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians and Sabians (whoever those are).
The sun is the trashiest tabloid. Never believe anything printed there...lol
I have also got a friend who coverted to marry a Jewish man.
I'm sure it's just as tough for other religions like Mormons and Orthodox Christians , you just don't hear/ see it as much as Muslims.
Rahul you are right the muslim ceremony is the nikkah and it's the contract between bride and groom for an Islamic marriage. In many communities the nikkah states monetary value that the bride is promised from the groom should the marriage dissolve to help her if she's ever divorced amongst other conditions.
I like the comments from Pakistani women....that paragraph made me chuckle.
Muslim women can only marry Muslims
I think it's due to the same philosphy in Judaism where the mother has to be Jewish for a child to be considered Jewish. Nowadays many Imams therefore can do the conversion for non-muslim men.
RE britney....what is goin on with her??? I can't believe she didn't turn up for the custody hearing. Wow
They are just naturally talented in bowling maiden over. [link]
So waht is it about Pakistani men. Are thye just really really hot? Is it their attitudes towards women? Why, it the words of the Times of India, are glamorous western women drawwn to Pakistani men?
Any thoughts?
She's funny!
dude, quoting the times of india is sad....most of the paper is based on hyping and sensationalizing non-existent phenomena (including this particular one); observe the almost non-existent empirical basis of the huge generalization
This is so overated. For one thing this Imran Khan looks more white then he does Pakistani and this guy Diana dated was very educated so he was not you typical Pakistani.
Speaking of Muslims and non-muslims women in England there have been a couple of issues that I don't think I have that have south asian story to that some reason people here don't want to talk about.
1. Pakistani Muslim men date sikh and hindu women in England and then blackmailing them into marriage and making them become Muslims. Many threaten to tell the girls familes about what there daughters are doing.I have seen story about where these women have been shipped back to Pakistan and put in brothels.
2. Muslim rape in England of young poor white girls as young as 11 by Pakistani and Bangladeshi men. The men groom these girls by getting them hooked on drugs.I could only image the backlash when someanother young girl is raped by these stupid losers and some sikh or hindu is attacked for revenge cause he the 1st brown person they see. The BNP in England can only get popular thanks to these muslims savages.
There was TV special about this that get pulled to PC police happy
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3733215.stm
I wish that Sepia Mutiny would cover these issues.
21 · Ikram said
Any thoughts?
Here's a nice guy Sarfraz Manzoor, a British of Pakistani origin.
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/sarfraz_manzoor/2008/01/who_are_these_men.html
Clueless is right about some of what goes on in the U.K.
Pakistani men? What about Arun Nayar, Salman Rushdie, Naveen Andrews, etc?
Overrated article!
the greatest babe-magnet i 've ever known was a pakistani dude i used to work with. tall, athletic, handsome-enough and a former cricket player he was (no, he wasn't imran.) he would attract women like i've never seen before or since. went to a strip bar with him once and he got the strippers number, which is harder than some of you may think.
anyway, his whole MO was to be exceedingly polite to everyone, men women beautiful or ugly it didn't matter. he came across like he was from a different time or place, when chivalry and politeness meant everything. if there was a group of women he would pay attention to the least attractive one but somehow go home with the hottest. he was an artist.
It's 'cos they're Scythian, duh!
:)
Where's our modern-day Akbar when we need him? (It was Akbar, right, who saved Hindu women from the same fate centuries ago?)
oh, btw, re 28: i went to the strip bar for the steak.
PopCrunch claims that Adnan has proposed and that Britney is going to have a very halal wedding [via Taz]:
Now I place no trust in how reliable any of this is. I just find it interesting how becoming and marrying a Muslim is considered even more shocking than much of what she has pulled thus far ...
Have your friends admire your daring! Shock your parents! Marry a muslim!
I think Ghalib's parents are probably more pissed that their son is marrying a women who so is not a virgin rather than non-Muslim.
Hey, they've both been married twice ...
Clueless,
Is it just muslims in general and Islam with whom you have such a big problem? Tell me true...
Manju is such a classy guy...
35 · coach diesel said
thanks coach, same to you.
I always interpreted that restriction as another way for Islam to spread itself. Get a woman into the faith through marriage, you gain one more person who will spread Islam via progeny. Lose a woman, the faith loses all her off-spring too. This probably is too much of a cynical view.
If that's the primary reason why she's marrying and potentially converting, well... she'll soon be on her way to Marriage Number Four.
37 · Gruhasthu said
Cynicism has nothing to do with it. But you are right in your view of it spreading through marriage/woman to child. Religion can be like a disease that way. ;)
Manju,
You know that I'm a classy dame
38 · Blue said
If the pop-star does get married to Mr. Ghalib, that would be a boon for all of us. We may never have to see her face again.
Clueless is right about whats going on in the UK.
Here is another source about the situation.
Another.
It would be nice if the moderate Muslims would counter this extremist elements rather than accusing those who complain about them of islamophobia.
Ooops. I see Rahul beat me to that already. Rahul at 13.
31 · Ennis said
Now I place no trust in how reliable any of this is.
Wtf? They are really making ridiculous assumptions. A google search will show a pic of him wearing a cross. I highly doubt that he's all that religious. Plus apparently he managed a strip clup of something. And The same site says that they are planning on a scientology wedding. And now they use the ever trusted, Islamic cliches to spurn gossip.
And am I missing something? When did it come out that he was of Pakistani decent? Again, google points to his hailing from Afghanistan.
Jemima Khan is a Princess? I thought she was just a daddy's little rich girl. You know, Hugh Grant is a common thread in this Eastern/Western couple thing. Jemima left Imran Khan and dated Hugh, and Hugh used to date Liz Hurley who married Arun Nayar. See? And Hugh Grant isn't even Pakistani!!!
37 · Gruhasthu said
Of course thats one reason. It is also a common Islamic belief that Muslim men that marry non-Muslim women will automatically gain entrance to paradise. It is also a useful tool to oppress non-Muslims. The message is that Muslims are the masculine/dominant group and non-Muslims are the feiminine/submissive group. The same tactic was used by the conquistadors in South America to subdue the indigenous populations.
Her mother is Lady Annabel Vane-Tempest-Stewart, and her maternal grandfather was the 8th Marquess of Londonderry. She's not a princess exactly, but she is from an aristocratic family.
If he's desi, does that make him a papadazzo?
White girls who convert to Islam are usually young, naive or just plain mad. Diana was unhinged; Jemima was a naive, bored and overprivileged 20 year old undergraduate when she met Imran and found herself drawn into converting.
Imran Khan tried to convert several aristocratic white girls to Islam before Jemima, including Sita White, the mother of the child he denied fathering. These women were older and stronger and refused to convert. It would not surprise me if Imran used Jemima to find his place in paradise after his old erring ways (as a born again Muslim, bringing a white woman into the faith), and bring Islam into the English upper classes through his and Jemima's two sons.
Come on, My Big Fat Greek Wedding :)
"What is it about Princesses and Pakistanis?"
Well it has all the tragedy and pathos and mystery of the kashish of the parwana for the shamma.
Would be an interesting social experiment if Britney does fulfil her promise.Don't know who would recieve the greater cultural shock..She or the good people of Pakistan?
Others prefer Direct Action.
People don't want to talk about it because 1.) those claims have never been substantiated and there's never been any proof given that such things actually occur and 2.) the "articles" and "forwards" making such claims have been the same ones being circulated for *years*. The exact same story comes out once or twice a year forwarded over e-mail or brought up in conversation by some random person who hasn't heard it before and they think they're circulating some shocking breaking news. It's not new and it's not news - because there is no major conspiracy. If these guys are engaging in scandalous activities with this Sikh girls, they are not going to be embraced by their congregations for engaged in those same activities. They won't get points (or blessings) for converting someone by fornicating or drinking or doing drugs. I'm not saying there are no girls who convert out for reasons other than purely spiritual, but are Muslims as a community sitting there plotting how to convert Sikh girls? No.
It should read: "for having engaged in those same activies"
Sorry.
In the 1950s, Rita Hayworth married Prince Aly Khan. In 2008, adjusting for inflation, Britney marrying Adnan Ghalib is what you land up getting...
56 · Vikram said
Pamela harriman, Churchill's former daughter in law, tried to get him to marry her. he refused so she made her way to America where she played kingmaker, essentially choosing Clinton as the next president. so aly love life really effected history.
Feminism has neutered western men. Western women are attracted to the brutes raised in the culture of Pakistani feudalism.
oh, i mentioned harriman/churchil b/c of princess di...adding some credence to the argument that the british aristocracy is going pak.
58 · Mel said
or little rock, AK
1 · Nina P said
once you go malayalee, no need for muhammad ali
once you go malayalee, you forget the pakistani
62 · Manju said
That's what HE said. :D
I keed.
39 · coach diesel said
once you go coachie, no need for a hoochie
dark'ish skin, full lips, eyelashes to die for & bit of macho? sometimes you just have to give credit, where credit is due
What happens when you go Gujarati?
...you go home with a hottie?
65 · guilty dilettante said
guilty d, is that that up and boxer, welterweight i think?
65 · guilty dilettante said
Yeah, but you can get all that and a bag of plantain chips in India. Or at Basement Bhangra (plaintain chips not available with this offer).
(i.e. He looks Punjabi, to me)
yep he packs a real punch in my book ;-)
66 · kck said
you run faster than a maserati
...better learn karate
69 · dilettante said
he's in the right division if he want greatness: cotto, williams, and of course pretty boy floyd, but he better get moving.
69 · dilettante said
but can he recite malcolm x's autobio backwards?
Don't count Bengalis out - Lisa Ray, Rhona Mitra, and Norah Jones each have a Bengali dad and white mom.
Any good follow ups for "Once you go Telegu (insert whatever)...? You can really go to town with that expression.
75 · gm said
you will become very blue.
75 · gm said
once u go telegu, no one else will appeal to you
if you ever go telegu, hope you had a few
if you ever go telegu, may need a little pill blue
If you go telEgu, you will incur the wrath of budugu.
once u go telegu, no one you'd rather poke into
once u go telegu, you're stuck like crazy glue
once you go Tamizh you'll be unable to LOZh
if you ever go telegu, rahul might look good to you
Anyway, Diana was just going with Hasnat to make this guy jealous.
Each, and Papaya too.
yeah, telegu's too easy
Once you go telUgu, bid sanity adieu. (Sincere apologies to Budugu.)
76 Bytewords said:
Any good follow ups for "Once you go Telegu (insert whatever)...? You can really go to town with that expression.
you will become very blue.
Wow. I can't believe I got meta-referenced.
Once you go Telugu, you'll scream yahoo. (No offense to Google.)
Once you go Telugu*, you'll eat lots of Tirupati laddus.
Once you go Bengali, you'll be unable to shut up about being quite jolly.
Once you go Malayalee, you'll be living in a joint family.
*Manju, please fix your spelling for future references man
Once you go Bong, going back would be just WRONG...
haha... :-)
If you go Punjabi, be prepared for his mom to come at you with a lathi.
91 · nala said
once you go nala, she'll be correcting your gramma
Once you go Telugu, no need to go far for a buf*. (If you ever witnessed a ATA - American Telegu Association or TANA - Telugu Assoc. of North America ,etc meetings, you might understand this.)
It's NA-la like Simba's love interest from The Lion King, not gramma like gamma ray.
And I wasn't correcting your grammar, but your spelling...
I knew you were a neocon 'Uncle Tom,' but I didn't know that once you go to the dark side, apparently you lose sight of what's really important in a desi person's life.
I've been to those things, but I don't understand this...
Sorry about my last crass comment. I really meant go to town w/the expression and not take it to the gutter, like I just did. (I am a Telugu, actually.) Didn't mean to offend anyone.
96 · nala said
if you ever go nala, be prepared for some zsa zsa
I might be offended (but most likely not) if I understood what you were getting at, haha. I don't think SM is the place to be shy. What does 'buf*' mean? This Telugu demands to know!
If you go Sindhi, your in-laws gonna have some problems if you from Rawalpindi.
If you ever go Manju, have a sense of humor if you're a Jew.
100 · nala said
Oh dear God, please forgive me for corrupting young innocent minds.
Buf* (meant to rhyme w/Telugu) is a stupid outdated 80's term. (For the record, I have zero homophobic tendencies and will think more carefully before typing.)
Even this proud veteran of Chiru v. Balayya pop-culture wars from the 80s is not getting it.
Please don't hesitate to corrupt this not so young innocent mind.
Sadly news stories of late would have us believe that:
Once you go brown...you're going down!
I guess I need to explain (and truly apologize for post 95).
During my childhood, my parents & I would sometimes attend these Telugu events and the few kids my age would be extremely bored. I realize this will date me way back, but the mean spirited and disrespectful kids (that were dragged there by their parents) would call the mc's and organizers "gay" (a term which I detest when used negatively) etc. (I should mention that I was also bored to tears at these Telugu events because my knowledge of Telugu is limited, and the lousy 70's and 80's Telugu movies that they had, etc . Not that I am or ever was holier than thou, I hardly complained about being irritated. I just thought along with my Indian friends that many of these Indian events were irrelevant and not interesting. I haven't been to a TANA or ATA meet in years and probably things have changed with time. Hopefully for the better but most big groups and organizations will have stupid politics, imperfections etc.
Sorry to go off topic too.
Now about Miss Britney Spears and her current beau. It looks like they are using each other as I understand from the gossip.
once you go malayalee- you lose all hope and turn to memebers of your own team ;-)
*just kidding, kidding is just like pudding with a key* ( say it in a heavy mallu accent- it is really funny!)- my own creation.
If you go Marathi you'll always eat hot chapatti.
If you go Bong you might break into a song.
If you go Sindhi you'll have a child named Bindi.
"I always interpreted that restriction as another way for Islam to spread itself. Get a woman into the faith through marriage, you gain one more person who will spread Islam via progeny. Lose a woman, the faith loses all her off-spring too. This probably is too much of a cynical view."
Islam is a product of its origins. It contains the bedouin worldview. Islam is humane when influenced by older civilizations as is the case in Egypt, Turkey, Persia, India and Indonesia. It is barbaric when the older influences are purged. Saudi Arabia and Talibanized Afghanistan are the result. The problem today is Saudi Arabia is exporting Bedouim primitivism as the true faith.
83 · muralimannered said
once you go Tamizh you'll be unable to LOZh
What? Je ne comprend pas.
Once you go Tamil, no one else will fit the bill.
recite malcolm x's autobio backwards
You invoked Malcolm X. How could you?
recite malcolm x's autobio backwards
111 is supposed to read:
You invoked Malcolm X. How could you? ... Looking around for HMF ...
Once a Punjabi goes Madrasi ...
finds out that they could be Tamil, Telugu, Kannada or Malyalam.
You'll never feel guilty going Gulti.
I know, I know, lame attempt. But I do have a sweet spot for Telugus.
Once you go Telugu you've found your guru.
I sure hope that couple from Malawi gets to adopt the Federline children.""In our country, a good mother does not show her business to the press," Mrs. M said. "It is very bad luck...The Federline children have been living, in one of the richest cities in the world, trapped in a seemingly endless cycle of depravity, narcissism, and veganism."
Once you go Punjabi, you'll become dil diwani.
Oh, be still my dil. (credit: ANNA, for that one.)
Wow, the mere mention of a Muslim and so much hate is thrown our way on SepiaMutiny. Couldn't the Hindutva crowd just be happy that a desi lookin dude could be potentially bangin out Britney Spears? Don't you guys see the potential ? No more jerking off to porn, crying after your done , despairing in your own sweat and shame, complaining about how all the desi girls are going out with pasty white dudes, now you could be making sweet love to a blonde Southern bombshell. That dude Ghalib looks like a herb too and he's still gettin it in! (potentially)....but no some of you got so much hate in your heart you guys actually took this negatively and started Islam-bashing. I don't understand, Muslims don't even talk about Hindus the way the Hindutva crowd talks about Muslims...and the funny and sad thing is Hindus are the majority in India! Its not like Muslims are some economic elite, them fools is broke and uneducated, they're basically like blacks in America (good at sports and entertainment, and of course crime) What is there to complain about?!? But still, theres some of you who gotta bring in something completely hateful about Islam,to the point where I think some of are you in love with Muslims...we stay on your mind and you stay on our jock.
I have no problem with the other Hindus on here that are just snarky , a lot of cool people on this site. But the Hindutva crowd is seriously a big turnoff.
Once you go Bess, you don't need the rest.
You got that right, JJ ;
(thinking of asking you to go skating)
What's funny is that some of the more negative comments about Islam/Muslims came from commenters who aren't Hindu (clueless) or part of the frequently-accused-of-being-a-Hindu-fundie crowd (Mel) that I know of.
Once you go Hindutva, you'll be getting into daily fights with the doodhwala.
117 · Bang Gully said
Ethnic cleansing of Hindus in Indonesia, Malayasia, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Radical terrorist groups that massacre thousands of Hindus every year.
Preferential laws that redistribute money from Hindus to Muslims in India (hajj subsidies, taxing Hindu temples to subsidize mosques) and give Muslims privileges unavailable to Hindus.
Routine riots in India for little things like someone eating a pear while passing a mosque on Ramadan.
Rhetoric like this coming from mainstream mosques.
Unwanted attempts to convert us to Islam by force.
Failure to root out terrorism and extremism from your religion, causing us Hindus to get racially profiled as well (in the West the average Hindu "looks more Muslim" to non-Muslims than the average Muslim.
Aggression against non-Muslims even in diaspora communities.
I could go on but I don't want to hijack the thread :)
Boston Mahesh (Not 'Yo Mahesh' the fearsome TN Ranji Trophy side seamer? I think that's a great name),
i just thought of "Tam-urrll"(Tamizh) and "Lorrrrl"(Laugh Out Loud) and it suddenly clicked. not high art by any means.
Bess,
I'm honored that you think I'm skate worthy. (start at 1:35)
But, I'm not one to step into another man's relationship. It's a man rule. But.... if things between you and Harbeer don't pan out (he turns out to be a bad skater) well..... (blushing)....
No pressure Harbeer, yaar.
JGandhi, so I assume you condemn the BJP, VHP, RSS, and Narendra Modi as the disgusting scum they are for the kinds of atrocities they perpetrated? Not to mention the routine violence and intimidation against churches and Christians?
Because I am sure you agree that selective silence by moderate members of the religion does the entire community no credit.
124 · Rahul said
The Hindutva issue is very complex and I don't think I could address it w/o hijacking the thread. Bang Gully seemed to be sincerely perplexed why there is resentment against Islam.
Ah, I understand. Thanks for explaining. Islamic fanaticism is simple enough to summarize in a few lines, whereas condemning state sponsored pogroms with a fundamentalist agenda is complex enough to require parrying, equivocation and Kabuki dancing.
123 · Jangali Janwar said
Dude, I am a horrible skater and I would never stand in the way of true love. I'm just a drifter who swings by here (read: comments obsessively) when he's got a looming deadline--pay me no mind. See y'all around.
Sorry, I should have said: Hatred against Muslims is simple enough to summarize in a few lines.
128 · Rahul said
Meh. I can do it in one word.
126 · Rahul said
I was giving quick examples of the causes of resentment against Islam for a guy who seemed to downright perplexed, I wasn't explaining Islamic fanaticism. And of course I denounce all state-sponsored killing. But you weren't asking me that before, were you? You were asking me to condemn several broad-based movements.
I condemn violence and hatemongering of any sort perpetrated by Hindu fundies in India, that's sort of a given. But it's annoying when you can't mention why MANY people (not just Hindus, but many Americans and Europeans as well) have misgivings about Islam, and pointing out Islamic fanaticism becomes hatred against Muslims. It's possible to acknowledge this but not hold anything against Muslims that you meet/know personally. I mean, on another thread a couple of months ago someone insinuated that I'm some kind of Hindutvadi Islamophobe, and I went out with a Muslim boy in high school, for crying out loud (and Bang Gully, he actually did say a lot of shit about Hindus, but he was a jerk in general so I won't make any extrapolations based on him).