...it doesn't count....

Members of the Democratic party who are overseas count as a state under party rules— a state with 22 delegates.

This is the most fascinating election ever. I love learning all this new funky stuff about our government.

1 · razib said

...it doesn't count....

why not? :)

It does count. Razib is wrong.

for it the count you need the intersection of the following characters:

1) significant state. (e.g., new york, california, michigan, florida)

2) it has to be a state which always votes dem in the fall.

3) it has be a primary.

4) it has to have no black people

5) it has to vote for hillary clinton

#1 & #5 are probably fulfilled. ergo, it doesn't count. if you want to dispute it, take it to god, a.k.a., mark penn.

i mean are "not fulfilled."

1) significant state. (e.g., new york, california, michigan, florida)

2) it has to be a state which always votes dem in the fall.

3) it has be a primary.

4) it has to have no black people

5) it has to vote for hillary clinton

and cannot be Illinois

1) significant state. (e.g., new york, california, michigan, florida)

2) it has to be a state which always votes dem in the fall.

3) it has be a primary.

4) it has to have no black people

5) it has to vote for hillary clinton

and cannot be Illinois
or Missouri

missouri doesn't count. hillary won 95% of the state.

5) it has to vote for hillary clinton

#5 is crucial. Texas will count if Hillary wins it. Otherwise, superdelegates are really the only group that matter.

and cannot be Illinois

But it can be Florida or Michigan.

It's Bharat, not Bharath. Sorry.

rahul: please stop it. obama's pulling away and mccain is one intern away from disaster. what i need you to do is the continue attacking obama, so the race stays close enough that hillary can justify some dirty tricks. then she wins the nom, blacks bolt to the GOP, the dem base stays home, the VRWCV shows up in droves to finally defeat the clintons, and mccain wins.

but the way things are going we're all going to be flying Che Guevara flags in November.

i mean, i'd attack obama myself but i just don't have the heart. this guys scary talented. just look at the mush he's made of the normally stoic razib.

superdelegates are really the only group that matter

mccain is one intern away from disaster

That Times article would have made the NY post proud. Actually, on second thoughts, no. It didn't have a good double-entendre in its title (John "Mack" Cain POW-WOWs!).

but the way things are going we're all going to be flying Che Guevara flags in November.

I thought that was the Reaganites?

automatic delegates. not super delegates.

ANNA: "Barack Wins Bharath"

Your catchy headline promised an astounding Barack win in some survey or straw poll of Indians in India. Now that would have been interesting, especially coming after his rant over outsourcing. Upon reading your post, though, I realized he won among Americans of Indian descent. So what else is new?

Anybody know which candidate the desis back in desh are favoring?

#11 xetra "It's Bharat, not Bharath. Sorry."

Even if you are from the South? Or would Bharath always mean the name, not the country.

17 · Floridian said

I realized he won among Americans of Indian descent.

Awww, Floridian! I hate that I disappointed you of all people. Also, I thought they were just Americans, not necessarily brown ones. :D

And I stand by my right to type Bharath, because my name is LatHa. Sorry.

I have a technical question: I see from the chart that A N N A posted that Dems abroad can use the Internet to vote. How do they manage authentication and anonymity for this voting? Also, is Internet voting allowed for the general elections, even for some categories of voters (say, military or international), and if so, how do they solve these problems?

17 · Floridian said

I realized he won among Americans of Indian descent.

Shouldn't your handle be FloriNdian? :)

It's Bharat, not Bharath. Sorry.

barath bharath bharahth barat borat = tomato tomatoe tamatar

19 · Rahul said

How do they manage authentication

authentication! That's voter suppresion! Don't you know, rahul, that there's been no documented case of fraud.

Don't you know, rahul, that there's been no documented case of fraud.

I did know that is the case for the friendly neighborhood poll booth, but is the same true for the intarwebs too? Are there a lot of poor black people voting on the Internet?

Since A N N A posted on the connection between Obama and the desh, I guess this is an appropriate time to mention that I just met Kal Penn today who came to my law school to talk about why he's traveling around the country speaking at campuses in support of Obama. For the record, Penn seemed to be articulate, genuine and passionate when he answered questions from the audience about Obama's policies and ideologies.

PS One slight negative--When I asked my question about the Patriot Employers plan to Penn (which I found out thanks to Vinod's earlier post--thanks V!), he had no idea what I was talking about. It was instead answered by a girl who works for Obama's campaign full-time, and even then, she didn't really know the details. I didn't really expect Penn to answer my question fully, but I was a bit surprised that he didn't know about the proposed Act at all.

Actually, there are a few details about how Internet voting is managed here.

23 · Rahul said

Are there a lot of poor black people voting on the Internet?

I think there's a lot of Culinary Worker Union members.

With the race tightening in Texas (a state that the Dems won't win in November), after March 4, it too may be relegated to Mark Penn's ever lenghthening list of states that don't matter. Someone needs to tell this clown that even a potted palm will win against a Republican in NY and MA. That makes CA the only significant victory for Hillary so far.

The Clintons' bag of dirty tricks is bottomless. Now that some Super Delegates are experiencing pangs of conscience and the memory of Democratic anger after Gore vs Bush, 2000 is flashing before their eyes, the Clintonistas are going after pledged delegates. Yes, these are delegates that Obama has already won in the primaries and caucuses.

12 Manju said

... but the way things are going we're all going to be flying Che Guevara flags in November.

Don't forget that now Fidel Castro may need a day job.

How do they manage authentication and anonymity for this voting?

I went and asked a friend who's a Democrat in New Zealand and he emailed me this reply:

I registered with Democrats Abroad a few years back, before the 2004 elections (although I didn't end up voting, for some reason -I think I missed the deadline for mailed ballots). They've had my name on file ever since, and I get periodic reminders to confirm my contact details. Back in December they asked me to register online for the Democratic primary, which I did, and then on Feb 5th I got a secure email with a link to the Online Voting system, which all worked without a hitch. I can't remember how I was originally authenticated - I presume I had to submit my passport details to someone? The online voting system was very well set up, easy to read screens and several layers of confirmation so that you couldn't accidentally slip or double-click the wrong vote.

Rahul, re: your "access to the internet" question and voting. I wasn't abroad during the 2004 primary, but I was abroad during an election year in an area with little to no reliable electricity or telecommunications infrastructure. I also wasn't particularly near a big city, although I suppose if there had been a voting outpost I would've made the 6 hour (roundtrip) shlep. I had to handwrite my ballot. A colleague was able to vote online. I don't know how DA authenticate, but you file two registration forms -- state secretaries of state authenticate your existence, and the federal government checks it against your tax returns.

Thanks for the explanations, Camille and sonal. For those who are curious, the reason I asked is that the use of cryptography for secure electronic voting is an active area of research interest, and something . This is not a trivial problem because there are several requirements you want to satisfy. For example, the scheme of using one-time identifiers issued by a central authority that sonal describes does not preclude malicious rigging by the central authority, since they are aware of all the issued identifiers (and it is impossible for observers to monitor an election on the internet to prevent ballot stuffing). There are obviously many more details and requirements - including squirrely ones such as the ability to give voters proof of whom they voted for so they can verify it, but without giving them the ability to show this proof to anybody else, as that would allow vote selling. Some of the work here is quite cool.

obama's pulling away and mccain is one intern away from disaster.

You call this disaster? I am now beginning to think that the Times is so mad about their Dem pick trailing in the race that they executed their master plan to try and make sure that McCain ties up the Limbaugh-Ingraham raving lunatic republican opinion-maker support that he was sorely lacking.

30 · Rahul said

You call this disaster? I am now beginning to think that the Times is so mad about their Dem pick trailing in the race that they executed their master plan to try and make sure that McCain ties up the Limbaugh-Ingraham raving lunatic republican opinion-maker support that he was sorely lacking.

yeah, u beat me 2 it. i've been hearing some dems, includeing obama himself, using some ageist code words to describe mccain, like on msnbc they where saying his attacks on obama are "impotent." that line of attack now looks premature.

like on msnbc they where saying his attacks on obama are "impotent."

Maybe he should make Bob Dole his running mate.

31 · Manju said

that line of attack now looks premature.

you mean the like the mccain ejaculates? because of how old and decrepit he is?

33 · portmanteau said

you mean the like the mccain ejaculates? because of how old and decrepit he is?

c'mon, port...you know mccain always made sure his constituents came first, u gotta give him a hand for that.

32 · Rahul said

Maybe he should make Bob Dole his running mate.

doles tired of being the 2nd banana

Just a nit-picky point: Democrats Abroad are represented by 22 delegates, but the delegates only get half a vote at the convention. I guess this way they can spread out their limited number of votes across more regions, or perhaps it's just that since they can't be bothered to actually live in America, as far as we're concerned they're only half-human.

Of these 22 delegates, eight are super delegates, nine are apportioned by the results of the primary, and the remaining five delegates are chosen at a convention in April.

c'mon, port...you know mccain always made sure his constituents came first, u gotta give him a hand for that.

20 · Rahul
"Shouldn't your handle be FloriNdian? :)"

Cute!

Rahul, your recent comments on SM are extremely troubling, at least to me. They are serious, a tad too researched and quite pedantic. Are you okay, son?

ANNA, I know about the "t" in the glorious South. But I was seriously asking our DBD friends if Bharath with the "t" would still be the country or would refer to the name (you know, Ram, Lakshman, Bharat, Shatrughan).

That's enough derailing-of-the-thread from me. Have a nice weekend, y'all, and I hope all you Obama lovers had a great time Thursday night.

In the debate last night, Obama made the claim that the US soldiers are so poorly armed in Afghanistan that they have to steal weaponry from the Taliban to fight. What a silly thing to say. And yes, I do understand that he was restating something he heard from a Captain in Afghanistan. But its a one off incident and not emblematic of the weaponry situation of the troops in Afghanistan.

Yes, we can.

But its a one off incident and not emblematic of the weaponry situation of the troops in Afghanistan.

The M4 weapons system has had serious issues handling the fine quartz sand on the Afghanistan and Iraq battle grounds:

Like its predecessor the M16, the M4 also has a reputation as an excellent weapon – if you can maintain it. Failure to maintain the weapon meticulously can lead to jams, especially in sandy or dusty environments. Kalashnikovs may not have a reputation for accuracy, or lightness – but they do have a well-earned reputation for being able to take amazing amounts of abuse, without maintenance, and still fire reliably.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/the-usas-m4-carbine-controversy-03289/

The military is in the process of evaluating replacements that use more reliable systems.

>>you know mccain always made sure his constituents came first

McCame...

M. Nam

But its a one off incident and not emblematic of the weaponry situation of the troops in Afghanistan.

I don't think he was stating it as emblematic of the weaponry situation, rather, by the mere fact that it occurred... once even, is indicative of repercussions of gov't, media, and national attention on Iraq, which as Richard Clark stated, was a goal of the Bush admin from Sept 12th, 2001.

Nothing can compare to Hillary's weak jab of "change by xerox," as if to imply that Obama has sat in a room and stolen every speech he ever made. It comes off as bitterness for losing much ground to him.

For those who are curious, the reason I asked is that the use of cryptography for secure electronic voting is an active area of research interest, and something . This is not a trivial problem because there are several requirements you want to satisfy. For example, the scheme of using one-time identifiers issued by a central authority that sonal describes does not preclude malicious rigging by the central authority, since they are aware of all the issued identifiers (and it is impossible for observers to monitor an election on the internet to prevent ballot stuffing).

Paul, that sounds kind of suck (the delegate apportioning). I know the Republicans strongly encourage folks to vote through their respective state primaries. Do you know if the DA primary started as a way to ensure a vote for Americans permanently relocated overseas (i.e., those who may no longer have a state residence/affiliation)?

Nothing can compare to Hillary's weak jab of "change by xerox," as if to imply that Obama has sat in a room and stolen every speech he ever made. It comes off as bitterness for losing much ground to him.

No doubt. According to the Clintons, Obama didn't wait his turn. How dare he? He should know better than to cut in line.

She's in a tricky place because the trite experience theme is the only thing that has traction with her supporters; yet, should she win the nomination, it's that very theme that no legs against McCain. Check...mate?

Nothing can compare to Hillary's weak jab of "change by xerox," as if to imply that Obama has sat in a room and stolen every speech he ever made. It comes off as bitterness for losing much ground to him.

True. I think Hillary is finished and its time for all Hillary supporters including me to rally for Obama. According to SUSA, Obama has cut the lead in Ohio to about 8 points and is matching Hillary in Texas. Even if Hillary eeks out a win in both Ohio and Texas it wont be enough to catch Obama in the elected delegate count. Its time for Hillary to graciously bow out after the March 4th primary.

HRC ought to use all the dirty tricks that she has at this point in the race. Her run for president can never happen again, if she loses this nomination, unlike Obama.

Her run for president can never happen again, if she loses this nomination, unlike Obama.

I don't know if I agree with that. I believe Obama's popularity stems a great deal from people's bitterness and dissatisfaction at the Bush admin. Without 8 years of Bush f*ckups, I dont think Obama would be as popular, Bush is essentially the reason why "change" is resonating so deeply with the voting blocks. In a way, Obama (at least thus far) is a great sprinter, and the clintons are long distance runners.

From an efficiency point of view, since it means the same thing, Bharat is more efficient than Bharath. You utilize less power by typing the keyboard one less time, utilize less muscular energy and thus reduce the greenhouse gases and entropy of the world if you do not type the extra 'h'.

I am looking at her future run, for president, from a nomination perspective. Democrats are not voting for her as the Democratic alternative even after 8 years of Bush and Democrat wins for majority in the senate and the house. And you are right "Change" was a masterful strategy to neutralize HRC. That is why I do not see Democrats ever voting for her again as it would be like going back to a "style of politics" that they discarded. Also, I do not believe that the Democratic party cannot put better candidates than HRC in the future.

She's in a tricky place because the trite experience theme is the only thing that has traction with her supporters

I did find one of the points raised by one of the CNN 'experts' interesting. On the question of whether Hillary has run out of ideas on how to sell herself besides the experience crap, he mentioned that she should try to sell herself as a 'fighter' who will fight till the last for bringing to the people what she has been claiming. She has that reputation of being a tough cookie and she could use it to her advantage.

Her last bit where she tried to be all sentimental and come across as genuine got on my nerves, but sadly that's exactly what works on a lot of people.

I do not believe that the Democratic party cannot put better candidates

That was the Bharat mind-set in me. It should say "I do not believe that better candidates than HRC will not seek the Democratic nomination in the future".

From an efficiency point of view, since it means the same thing, Bharat is more efficient than Bharath. You utilize less power by typing the keyboard one less time, utilize less muscular energy and thus reduce the greenhouse gases and entropy of the world if you do not type the extra 'h'.

Come on Ardy! Anna is using artistic license to make a larger point - the use of 'th' to indicate a softer 't' sound is common in South India, and there is no reason everything should be North Indian normative on a South Asian blog. The spelling 'Bharath' is also common in South India, both for the male proper name, where the first vowel sound is not stretched, and for the country, where it is. The context makes it clear whether it should be stretched or not. Hopefully that also answers the question Floridian raised upthread.

However, if you were a constitutional literalist - then the choice was already made back in 1950 - "India, that is Bharat, shall be a Union of States." in the first line, right after the Preamble. That argument flies better than efficiency! :)

Full Text of Indian Constitution

I thought Hillary's Xerox comment quite clever. The booing by Obama fans was unfortunate though.

That is why I do not see Democrats ever voting for her again as it would be like going back to a "style of politics" that they discarded.

Well, whether or not HRC has chances down the road is a tough call, what you say makes sense, but, lets say McCain takes it (shudder), I'd say Obama wouldn't necessarily be as popular as he is now.

Re: e-voting security.

One major vulnerability for e-voting systems that use a display screen (like a CRT or LCD) is that they can be penetrated with TEMPEST (aka van Eck phreaking). A Dutch group successfully demonstrated this on a real voting machine. The risk is still there for internet voting (as for anything else done on a normal unshielded computer) but somewhat mitigated due to the fact that it's too tedious going around scanning everybody in your neighborhood to see how they voted (unless you're some sort of stalker figure). It's a lot easier with a centralized voting system, where you just station yourself nearby and read everyone's votes, which raises the need for having a Faraday cage around the machine.

The other major weakness with e-voting is how to give a confirmation of the vote: if you vote for a candidate, you'd like to ensure that the machine did not add it to another candidate behind the scenes, but then if the machine gives solid proof of some sort of how the person voted, that can be abused by the voter to sell his/her vote, or it can be abused by the local political rowdy to coerce a vote. The most recent attempt to address this (that I know of) was ThreeBallot, by Ron Rivest, but it was found to be quite tedious to use, and still prone to ballot stuffing. It's still a developing field, however, so expect some steady improvement with time.

I thought Hillary's Xerox comment quite clever.

No, in fact it's not, because in this day in age, with change on the horizon, Obama could steal all his speeches directly to his PDA, or, hell he could use is iPhone to directly download them to his iPHone, then use a 3rd party text-to-speech app to vocalize them directly into his ear and get prompted real-time.

So technically, he could steal speeches without even touching a xerox machine.

Obama is a much more patient person person that I ever would be. I was yelling at the t.v. for him to just take one shot against Clinton. Just ask her whether she could confirm that she's never used an unattributed line. Tit for tat. There are countless examples that are pointed out in various political blogs. Examples that are even more word for word than the example below. But he didn't do that.

But funnily enough she "plagiarized" her closing statements that got oh so much applause. It was just brought up briefly on the news stations last night.

Freaking priceless.

Rahul, your recent comments on SM are extremely troubling, at least to me. They are serious, a tad too researched and quite pedantic. Are you okay, son?

Pedantic! Ouch! I am sorry to have led you down streets that follow like a tedious argument of insidious intent.

I think this is a really valid concern, and also extends to electronic voting (am I right?)

Well, probably the first order concern with electronic voting as it is today is that there is no way to ensure that your vote is recorded as you cast it (so, vote tampering - and this might not even be malice, as is sometimes alleged against Diebold, this could just be poorly written code). For example, in the one-time scheme that the Dems seem to use, you can publish the entire ballot along with the identifier that is issued right at the moment of voting (not the earlier one), and then everybody can verify that their vote was recorded as they cast it (without anybody being able to match this up with individuals), while simultaneously verifying that the results match up to the official tally.

pingpong, I heard Rivest give a talk about ThreeBallot, very cute and clever. For a detailed (but slightly dated - 2005) survey of goals of electronic voting, as well as an assortment of cryptographic techniques, look here. There's obviously a lot of number theory there, but Sections 1, 2, 8,9 and 11 are mostly not technical and quite readable.

I think Hillary is finished and its time for all Hillary supporters including me to rally for Obama.

Yes. At the very least, if Texas and Ohio don't pan out as clear victories, she should bow out instead of trying stunts with Florida, Michigan, or the superdelegates. That would destroy her chances of winning in November, as well as ever trying for a shot in the future. If she bows out gracefully (as much as is possible after all this drama), she might possibly have another chance after a one or two-term Obama, or a one-term McCain, who will probably not do such a stellar job.

It's a real pity that the Times made such a hash of the McCain article. They could have done a more fact-based piece purely on his active conflicts of interest which he claims don't exist purely because he believes that he is too upstanding for that to be the case (which could be seen as a serious flaw), or if they actually had something concrete, broken an adultery story which might have hurt him among that fraction of the population who cares about these things. Instead, they probably helped him nail the liberals-are-scum fraction of the voter base, and as far as base republicans are concerned, family values seem to be consistent with heterosexual adultery, divorce, gambling, and drugs (only prescription), so maybe, old mack might just have got the "virility bump".

The Iseman probably did cometh, but absent any evidence, it is just a long day's journey into night for the grey lady.

58 · Rahul said

I am sorry to have led you down streets that follow like a tedious argument of insidious intent.

I believe that was the province of a certain Nebulous Conversation-Starter Party of One, no?

59 · Rahul said

The Iseman probably did comet, but absent any evidence, it is just a long day's journey into night for the grey lady.

I guess now I know why they call him Mack.

However, if you were a constitutional literalist - then the choice was already made back in 1950 - "India, that is Bharat, shall be a Union of States." in the first line, right after the Preamble. That argument flies better than efficiency! :)

Relax Chachaji, I was just indulging in sarcasm at someone raising such a trifling of a matter through absurdity. i.e. using my artistic license at absurdity :-) I could care less about the 't' and the 'th' since I am too much to a transplant and a north Indian only by the accidence of birth.

I did think about the constitutional aspect and it obviously goes back to the unfairly imposed north Indian flavor of Indian politics in the first few decades which you are very well aware of.

Though if you really think of it, someone could say - Bharat(h) comes from the king who was a north Indian king ;-)

Insightful post, Anna.

I guess now I know why they call him Mack.

And did you know Vicky Iseman's middle name is Babe-ram-off? Maybe I should think about that career with the NY Post...

Three things:-

a) I'm surprised that Obama got only 76.5% of the vote in Indonesia, and not, say, 100%, given that he's a local boy there as well (in addition to Illinois and Hawaii).

b) Thailand seems to have a lot of on-ground organization; loads of live election-centers.

c) And finally, I'm glad to see that Dem-American-ex-pats in good ol' Singapore have sticked to the city-state's reputation for efficiency and have sent in exactly 100 votes. This makes all those percentage-share calculations easy.

Seriously though, does anybody know how a city/country gets a voting booth? I find this entirely fascinating; not often do we see a globalized election process, as it were.

Good read in the current NYRB: Darryl Pinckney discusses Obama and reviews Shelby Steele's A Bound Man: Why We Are Excited About Obama and Why He Can't Win. Time to update your theory Shelby!

Shelby Steele's A Bound Man: Why We Are Excited About Obama and Why He Can't Win. Time to update your theory Shelby!

Poor Shelby, he gets the Paul Ehrlich award.

after this latest attempt at "smearing" Obama (see drudgereport) I'm quite ready to say a big F-you to the Clinton campaign. I expect the republicans to pull this, but good lord, I must ask them -- have you no shame? these folks really are desperate aren't they? their response of "this image isn't divisive" is hilarious, because everyone knows *exactly* why this image was put out there. they had nothing to do with those 'muslim' emails, but they're reinforcing it with this now. UGH, infuriated.

addendum: yes, I'm well aware there's nothing wrong at all with the picture at all. visiting dignitaries, and others, often wear local attire, etc. but the non-denial on the part of the clinton campaign, points at a play at people's prejudices.. not unlike what happened in S. Carolina. looks like the obama camp has hit back, but I can't help but think a better response might be to say "yeah, so what?" and let it pass. sigh, looks like we're in for 8-9 months more of these kinds of non-scandal scandals

drudge is also reporting that the nytimes is set to report 2morrow: "Clinton now unleashing 'kitchen sink' fusillade against Obama." since the debate, i was concerned clinton would bow out gracefully a la nixon in '60 (he refused to challenge kennedy's voter fraud b/c it would prove too divisive) if for no other reason that she wants to stay viable for '12, but now i can rest a little easier.

mccain's got a bad hand to play with (slowing down economy, unpopular war) and his only shot is that the clintons choose to tear the party apart with their long established use of racism, xenophobia, voter suppression and fraud. the only thing missing is their misogyny but one more bubba "bimbo eruption" and i'm sure we'll see that too.

It's all irrelevant now, people! Nader is in the hizzouse!

if for no other reason that she wants to stay viable for '12

Hillary "Dirty Trick" Clinton knows it's 2008 or bust

since the debate, i was concerned clinton would bow out gracefully a la nixon in '60 (he refused to challenge kennedy's voter fraud b/c it would prove too divisive) if for no other reason that she wants to stay viable for '12

Awww, who doesn't long for the kind, honest, lovely days of Nixon?

drudge is also reporting that the nytimes is set to report 2morrow: "Clinton now unleashing 'kitchen sink' fusillade against Obama."

HRC has probably missed the boat on this campaign. There were legitimate criticisms about Obama to be made early on about how he doesn't walk the walk, but it's mostly likely too late now. And propaganda like this (if indeed the Clinton campaign did it as part of their strategy; so far, the only person who has said it is the sludge report - NY Post, are you reading?), apart from being totally disgusting and legitimately turning people off, are probably of limited or no value in rousing the democratic base/independent voters who normally vote in primaries.

And propaganda like this...are probably of limited or no value in rousing the democratic base/independent voters who normally vote in primaries.

rahul, you innocent little puppy, the dem base doesn't sip cappucinos while reading eugene o'neill plays. ohio is a funky place, kinda like the balkins. if she pulls that out she can justify staying in, maybe take PA, and make her case even though she'll certainly not have the will of the people, though its closer than the easier-than-monica press would have us believe. obama's an unvetted unpatriotic secret muslim with terrorist ties (ayres) who's agrier than jesse jackson and sold coke, she'll argue that the republicans will argue...and therefore can't win the general. obviously, i'm biased since i'm hoping for this, but it does seem to be going that way.

unfortunately, if obama survives the assault (which i think he will), since what does not kill you make you stronger, he'll be unstoppable.

There were legitimate criticisms about Obama to be made early on about how he doesn't walk the walk, but it's mostly likely too late now.

exactly. instead, the clinton campaign chose not to walk the walk, and talked the talk, by making statements of "it'll all be wrapped up by Feb. 5th" they chose to be more about rhetoric, speeches, and empty words.

rahul, you innocent little puppy

i agree. surely, as a card carrying member of the alpha-dog group that chose to use the country as its lamp post, you should recognize puppies.

exactly. instead, the clinton campaign chose not to walk the walk, and talked the talk, by making statements of "it'll all be wrapped up by Feb. 5th" they chose to be more about rhetoric, speeches, and empty words.

Umm, that is generally called miscalibrating the strength of the opponent. But, carry on, let me not spoil the party.

rahul, you innocent little puppy...

Yelp!

agree. surely, as a card carrying member of the alpha-dog group that chose to use the country as its lamp post, you should recognize puppies.

rahul, while we all know what type we'll find on a streetcorner with a lamppost, the pack i run with tend to shit anywhere, knowing that some cappuccino drinker carrying the new york times will clean up after us.

rahul, while we all know what type we'll find on a streetcorner with a lamppost

Not streetcorners, manju, I said country. But you're right, I should've said world.

the pack i run with tend to shit anywhere, knowing that some cappuccino drinker carrying the new york times will clean up after us.

I thought they read the Le Monde or The Guardian. But, in any case, I am sure they carry a copy of The National Review to clean up with.

Yelp!

The puppy pees in the brook.

Nothing can compare to Hillary's weak jab of "change by xerox,"

I think Obama should've responded, "Yes, we scan."

Where are we in the five point attack plan? Point two? Good grief. She's lost the plot.

I think Obama should've responded, "Yes, we scan."

only after he points out Hillary's campaign message, "Change we can bereave in"

79 · Manju said

rahul, while we
all know what type we'll find on a streetcorner with a lamppost, the pack i run with tend to shit anywhere, knowing that some cappuccino drinker carrying the new york times will clean up after us.

Manju, you of all people, are finally acknowledging that "progressives" clean up after you "conservatives?" How about actually walking the walk, and compensating us for the negative externalities that you alphas have been showering on us for eight years now? You gasbags have warmed the earth a little too much for my taste. ;)

Take back the methane [sips decaff skim latte :P]!

sips decaff skim latte

Studies have shown that making a latte emits more CO2 than making a whisky and cigar. A decaf skim is worse, imagine the energy going into decaffing and deskimming :)

Manju, you of all people, are finally acknowledging that "progressives" clean up after you "conservatives?"

well, port...that's just some civil disobeience aimed at pooper-scooper laws. at the end of the day, shit takes care of itself.