May 31, 2008
W-I-N-N-E-R! Desi Kid Wins Spelling Bee, AgainEvents
13-year-old Sameer Mishra spelled “guerdon” correctly to win the 2008 Scripps National Spelling Bee. The word, rather wonderfully, means “something that one has earned or gained.” Champion!
Sameer was a crowd favorite throughout the tournament. When told one of his words in the semifinals was a dessert, he deadpanned: “That sounds good right now.” He rolled his eyes and muttered “wonderful” when told that one of his words had five different language roots. He once asked “Are you sure there are no alternate pronunciations?” In another round, he uttered “That’s a relief” after initially mishearing the word “numnah” (a type of sheepskin pad).
And what did he have to say while hoisting the heavy trophy? “I’m really, really weak.” link
Seriously, this kid was a delight. The last desi to win was Anurag Kashyap in 2005. Only three years ago, but an eternity for a competition heavily loaded with over-achieving, heartbreaking desi kids.
As someone who can’t spell cat without spell-check, I never really paid attention to or understood the mesmerizing drama of spelling bees. Not until I recently saw the documentary Spellbound. Suddenly the years of study, weight of familial expectation, the children’s innocence and drive, the announcer’s voices, the rigid rules, the way personalities emerged in unexpected ways under crushing pressure…This was nail-biting, stomach-knotting suspense!! Hot damn!!
I caught a bit of the finals last night - this year seemed harder than ever before. After the jump, a list of the twelve finalists (five desis!) and the words faced by the last three standing in order of elimination.
Of 16 rounds, here are the final 4:
Round 13:
Sameer Mishra (Lafayette, Indiana) spelled hyphaeresis correctly.
Sidharth Chand (Pontiac, Michigan) spelled Kulturkampf correctly.
Tia Thomas (Coarsegold, California) spelled opificer incorrectly.
Round 14:
Sameer Mishra spelled taleggio correctly.
Sidharth Chand spelled introuvable correctly.
Round 15:
Sameer Mishra spelled esclandre correctly.
Sidharth Chand spelled prosopopoeia incorrectly. (He was so close! Spelled it “prosopopoea.”)
Round 16:
Sameer Mishra spelled guerdon correctly. And wins!
Round-by-round results for the twelve finalists are here.
Second place winner Siddarth Chand is on the left, and two of the four fourth place finishers are center (Samia Nawaz) and right (Kavya Shivashankar). What is it about desis and spelling bees? We’ve posed the question before but appear to have answered it only partially, at best. Then again, the fact that desi kids also kick-ass in the geography bee might mean there is some truth to the idea that desis like gulping trivia like little brown pac-men. Whatever the case, I’m still scratching my head, spellbound.
cicatrix on May 31, 2008 03:25 AM in Events, Humor, News · T·r·a·c·k·b·a·c·k address · Direct link · Email post
What is it about desis and spelling bees?
...this is starting to be a punchline for jokes.
brown winners. interesting, no east asians i can see....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scripps_National_Spelling_Bee_champions
1985 Balu Natarajan
1988 Rageshree Ramachandran
1999 Nupur Lala
2002 Pratyush Buddiga
2003 Sai R. Gunturi
2005 Anurag Kashyap
2008 Sameer Mishra
2000 George Thampy is also brown, malyali if memory serves..
The bit about Numnah was very funny. He misheard it as "numbnuts" and spelled that word, to the predictable response.
I'm not really sure if this is something to be proud of. This kid basically wasted countless hours memorizing useless information. I feel like spelling bees reward the wrong things. Children are pushed into spending time learning about spelling, when they could be studying some much more useful things. Other pursuits would be far more beneficial for a child's brain and overall education. I think that most spelling bee finalists have turned out to be pretty average achievers in academics later in life. I'm sure a lot of these kids look back on their time training for a spelling bee as big wastes of their youth, with nothing to show for it (except the winner who does at least get some cash).
Jon Stewart's explanation from 2006 for desis being good at spelling - "Your names already have like 20 letters in them. That's a huge advantage. That's always going to win against Bob Smith".
I once read the hypothesis that desi kids learn English more by reading than by listening, so their spelling and grammar are subject to fewer errors than kids who pick up English primarily by listening. This includes grotesque errors like "I could of done that" instead of "I could have done that". I don't know how much truth the hypothesis has, however.
I wonder too, about the desi fascination with spelling bees..in fact, (plug alert!) I blogged about it a few days back. Our ability to gulp trivia is certainly a part of it..
I don't agree with Kapse on these kids wasting countless hours studying. For the really serious ones, it's something they are passionate about and actually love doing. They don't just memorize words, they also learn languages like French, German, Italian and so on because it helps them with the etymology of the words. Surely that's "useful studying"?
At 13 and 14, these kids were amazingly mature..Kavya, for one, was very composed and poised. I was really disappointed she lost, but hopefully next year will be hers.
sameer is composed and funny in this clip:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IL6R2uEMTdM
Here's a video of George Thampy in '08:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7428877.stm
Brown kids rule, brown kids rule!!
:)
By the way, I am super annoyed that they moved the final round to Friday this year. The ratings would have been much better if they had kept it to the middle of the week like previous years. Only geeks have time to watch the riveting spelling bee final rounds on a Friday.
And this is bad, how?
What a delightful post, Cicatrix!
Ping at 6:
I subscribe to this. I grew up in India speaking English--my first language. But you know, my English is not all that much better than so many desis who grew up speaking their native language at home. And I dated some of these people. Their English is good because of the books they read. You won't find either them or me saying things like, "laying in the beach all day", or "the plane will land momentarily".
Kapse at 5:
Other kids waste time by watching TV, playing Nintendo, following boy-bands ...
So why not memorizing lists of words nobody uses? I myself am a closet logophile and studying word histories, following their short unhappy lives filled with strife or their long, contorted story of change, is deeply satisfying.
The spelling bee is pretty cool.
Most desi parents and their kids are crazy specimens !
Sidharth Chand is actually from West Bloomfield MI not Pontiac... he was just sponsored by a Pontiac newspaper.
And I get the feeling Desi kids do well at the Bees [Spelling & Geography] because a lot of our parents emphasize education to the point where if you win a prize or you have one to focus on they end up glowing with pride.
I was the only kid in my class to end up in the geography bee finals at my middle school all three years and I don't even like geography. everything i knew was just from school.
Are you talking about desi kids born and raised in India? or just generally all desi kids? Because if its all desi kids, i think that's a broad and bizarre hypothesis.
11 · Abhi said
Btw, I was in a bar last night and guess which geek lady was I was conversing with - Chair of English dept. of local univ. !!
Mishra's got style - see the way he handled numnah - but I hope his parents wash his mouth out with soap for saying "numbnuts" on national teevee! And he's got to prepare for a lifetime of disappointment as he loses all the bee-groupie ladeez to this hottie.
BTW, the kid's from Lafayette - are his parents profs at Purdue?
13 · my_dog_jagat said
thats interesting. i have thinking of venturing into this area for quite sometime. Btw here is a book that will interest you - Wordplay: The Philosophy, Art, and Science of Ambigrams
11 · Abhi said
what? you're too bigtime to live blog the bee now?
13 · my_dog_jagat said
it's ok, dawg, come out of the closet. we're a big tent here.
2 · razib said
1985 Balu Natarajan
1988 Rageshree Ramachandran
"What is it with desis and Spelling Bees?"
While overall, I'd rather desi kids (and all kids for that matter) grew up well-rounded, and not "four-eyed" - in some cases, the ability to spell long words correctly is useful, and sometimes it does predict well for later academic success. Rageshree Ramachandran, (1988, 'elegiacal') for example, went on to get an MD-PhD from Stanford. Now here's the actual title of a paper she wrote last year:
Intradural Extramedullary Leptomeningeal Hemangioblastomatosis and Paraneoplastic Limbic Encephalitis Diagnosed at Autopsy: An Unlikely Pair
In spite of all her later academic success, though, Google pulls up the Time article on her from 1988 - 20 years ago - for winning the Spelling Bee right up top!
Why no East Asians - maybe they're all out learning piano and violin, i.e., useful stuff :)
Noticeably Eastern European likely-Jewish names start appearing in the 1930s, but nowhere near in the same relative numbers as desis today.
More power to the families and kids who are into spelling bees. I like to read the stories of 'where are they now'? So the BBC interview on George Thampy linked above was good.
National Spelling Bee can change winners' lives tracks the early desi winners Balu Natarajan and Rageshree Ramachandran.
A couple on Nupur Lala's later activities from the wikipedia link follow.
Spelling's busy bee
Spelling champ-turned U-M student
finds fame is enduring
One theme that I find interesting is that some of the older winners, even if they are doing other things in life are coming back as judges or volunteers or paid help at the spelling bees every year.
As I was looking for articles on these winners I came across this one on the National Geography Bee for this year, that I had missed. More on that here.
So if any of you find stories on where these kids are now, please post.
Samir Patel, last year's favorite, seems to be doing well too, with a 2060 on the SAT as a seventh-grader. And #13 my_dog_jagat is right, how is learning Spellings worse than playing Wii?
*blushes*
I watched them.
I totally watched. I feel no embarrassment whatsoever in admitting that once I found out it was on (I have no TV at the moment), I ran to my car and drove to a friend's place to watch the final hour. It's awesome! And it seems like they've made a few changes in recent years in light of people recognizing how competitive these academic settings are becoming--allowing the parents on the stage, changing up the rules for the final 3 and final 2 spellers, etc.
You can argue that anything's a waste of time if you really want. Who uses calculus on a daily basis? And spelling bees go beyond stringing letters together into etymology, history, culture, all sorts of awesomeness. The pressure is rough, though...you see some of those kids come away in tears or looking so utterly dejected and it makes your heart ache for them.
And who says it's purely a desi thing? There are a lot of us up there, but it says something that brown kids only win once every few years (granted, a lot more lately, but still)--we aren't the only ones gunning for it.
How do people feel about spelling bees? My theory is that DBDs who grew up in India with its emphasis on rote memorization find this worthwhile, would any ABDs here encourage their (hypothetical) kids to participate? I am enthusiastic about math league, quiz teams, science fairs, writing competitions, but I have always found this to be questionable/border line silly. Young Sameer is to be congratulated, this is an accomplishment and I disagree strongly with teachers who don't believe in emphasizing correct spelling sans Word spell check, but at what point does the ROI for spelling ability diminish? The road to Pomona/Vassar is paved with good intentions....
How do people feel about spelling bees? My theory is that DBDs who grew up in India with its emphasis on rote memorization find this worthwhile
Yes this is extremely true. it also reinforces the notion of the Indian being the "good worker" and the white guy being " the good manager" Not saying these kids should stop spelling, just don't make that the only thing.
Nupur is famous because of the movie spellbound. a quick glance at the link shows she's blossoming quite nicely.
27 · louiecypher said
I think I agree with you on this. If I don't know the spelling of some obscure word that is hardly useful in either daily or professional life, I can look it up. Why be an expert on it ? Other mentally-challenging games to excercise the brains of kids, some of which you mentioned, are kind of better. For e.g. geography quiz instead of spelling of the names of the places.
Indians (from India) should participate--it would be fun to watch an ABD vs IBD contest.
I am an ABD, my bet is on an IBD from an urban/private school background. But most ABDs,including myself, would happily forfeit
I plan to ride my kid hard like Secretary at the Preakness so that (h)she wins the triple crown of the spelling bee, American Idol, and Mr/Ms. Teen USA.
OK - this is not only about rote memorization - though it can be about, or lead to, excessive bookishness/nerdishness/geekiness. Thankfully, the kids that are winning seem more well rounded, have a sense of humor, are poised under pressure, banter with the MCs, and play to the crowd. Those qualities will help them both inside and outside of academic contexts, for a long time.
What makes the Bee fun and not just a memory game - is the fact that English is not a phonetic language, but there are some rules, which work most of the time, except when they don't. It would be no fun having a Spelling bee in Italian, which is far more phonetic, and no fun whatsoever in Sanskrit, which is absolutely phonetic. Even within the rules that exist, there are different spelling and pronunciation conventions in English - British, American, Canadian, and that can affect things some of them time. French is at the other end in terms of lack of phoneticism - there is a many-to-one mapping of words to pronunciations, so a Bee might never be possible in French, or at least, I can see how it can be much much harder.
One trend I'm noticing is toward biomedical-scientific terms in the 'winning word' - sarcophagus, psoriasis, logorrhea, odontalgia, autochthonous. Slightly far out as a theory, but this trend might help some desi kids, especially kids of scientists and physicians.
To the extent American kids end up learning other languages via the entry of French/German/Spanish/Italian words into the Bee, I see that as a good thing too.
On IBD kids from India vs ABD kids - ABD kids would have a major edge simply from being more familiar with the whole Bee idea, and how to prep for it - plus, especially in the earlier grades, spelling and pronunciation conventions in India are still British - though rapidly becoming American, so maybe that advantage is fleeting. On the other hand, if Bees become widespread in Indian grade schools, then the law of large numbers might work in favor of Indian IBD kids. IBD kids from the US (kids who come over in the earliest grades) might have a slight edge over ABD kids simply from the competitiveness they bring over - though I might be biased on that.
Loved it when Sidharth threw one back at Dr. Jacques A. Bailly by pronouncing ziarat in a desi accent.
It may not only be just about rote memorization, but I don't think it's all that interesting (subjective I know) or a predictor of future accomplishment in the way that Westinghouse/Intel, Math Olympiad or debate clubs are. Once again I don't want to detract from Sameer's accomplishment. It's all cool if he enjoys it
Yeah, that was great! Even Tom Bergeron made the comment that he was pronouncing it with a "hindi accent"
Samir and Kavya were my favorites. I was crushed when she was out... But I'm rooting for her to make it next year!
And I'm not ashamed to say that I watched it on a Friday night.
Was anyone else surprised at the number of words with hindi/sanskrit origins?
satyagraha
ziarat
numnah
I actually cried during "SpellBound". It's not sad, but still sweet and heart-breaking. Anyway. Yay, some desi kid won:)
Hey! Wordaholics are not all bad . David Cook, the AI winner is a word freak - which Simon (S)Cowell made fun of!! Go figure!
I think that "Ziarat" episode is so fraught with possibilities - good and bad. I tried explaining "t" and "th" to the S.O...and.......i'm tired.
And the "is there any other pronunciation" question? Does it imply "as pronounced by Americans?" Jeez! So much is subjective - which is the beauty and probable trouble spot for the Bee.
....about the rote learning, i did think so until last night. The choice of words made things interesting. I came away with the idea that BEE is about "ferreting out rules where there are apparently none". Much like trying to get an Amercian Visa. Now you know why the Norwegians are bad spellers.
I hate all these kids...but especially the desi ones. I know a kid who won the Geography Bee. What a total effing douchebag, he was and is. What a bunch of freaks...they probably spend all their time reading encyclopoedias or some other BS. Seriously, if I saw one them on the street I'd punch him in the throat. These pathetic losers should be mocked and derided for being such miserable idiot-savant failures of human beings, not celebrated.
CS
Anyone see "Bee Season" ? I thought it was interesting how both mystical Judaism and Vedic streams of Hinduism place so much emphasis on sound. Where is PG when we need her? She is a 9th degree kabbalist on top of being a Krishna bakht and can probably animate a papier mache golem with her incantations
I too used to laugh at the spelling bees not as an event, but for the amount of time spent on it by parents of these Indian kids. In that doc Spellbound, a lot of the indian kids looked way too serious. And George Thampy was kind of sad to look at. Despite his spelling acumen, his speech pattern was that of a "slow" kid. Maybe his parents could have spent some of that time sending him to speech therapy? And then you had one Indian kid whose father got him tutors in the German, French origin of words. The funny thing, the same guy trips on Darjeeling and asks the judges what the origin of Darjeeling is.
However, it's better than kids knowing all the trivia about Paris Hilton or Britney Spears latest outing. Or watching dumbass crap like Deal or No Deal or other braindead game shows. In fact, I feel Deal or No Deal is very successful because of the super simplicity of the show.
I love this Sameer kid!! He actually has a personality.
On ESPN.COM they have a whole article on Samir Patel, the kid who was supposed to win every year, but didnt.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=3414046
Sameer and Samir, which one is correct? Have one of these kids ironically been spelling their own name wrong their whole lives?
You may value Westinghouse, etc., because it speaks to the things that excite you when you learn, or because there is a tangible product/output from the process. That said, I would say that spelling bees parallel being a mathlete. In both, you're asked to apply the concepts underlying what the competitions about (math, spelling) to discrete problems (I think geography bees could fall under this categorization as well). Does that mean there are people who simply drill in something so they can win the prize? Absolutely, but I think there's a real joy that underlies discovering what words are about.
Also, what makes any of this a "waste of time"? I also liked soccer as a kid; were the hours and hours of training and games a "waste" because they didn't contribute to anything but my own happiness? Is playing an instrument, and possibly competing in musical contests a waste? People have different things that get them excited and passionate. I am in favor of embracing the many facets of geeking out, not reviling them.
Did any bangladeshi, nepali, pakistani or srilankan kid ever won Scripps National Spelling Bee? just curious...
In my previous comment I meant Did any bangladeshi, nepali, pakistani or srilankan origin kid ever won Scripps National Spelling Bee? just curious...
5 · Kapse said
Average! Not quite!! Take sister of this year's winner for example. She was in National Spelling Bee 4 years ago. She is headed to Princeton U. Not quite average!!!
15 · Bridget Jones said
You do sound crazy!
40 · Celeritas Subpontus said
you sound like a keeper yourself!
i knew incurious george was a lame duck who occupied himself by two-stepping on the white house portico, but who knew he had so much free time as to hang out on sepia?
life is a waste of time. the only question is what you waste it on....
That's the trade-off I guess...
52 · Amitabh said
I agree. All people with physical ability are terribly dumb.
Not to mention those with physical beauty as well.
The winning word in 1932 was "knack?" My grandfather was right: people were stupider back in his day.
53 · Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious! said
I agree. All people with physical ability are terribly dumb.
I have to disagree with those comments. Being physically gifted usually indicates better cognitive ability as well. The only reason athletes may appear dumb is because they have physical gifts which give them other things to spend time on. There is no reason to think that people with good physical attributes would be any more likely to be unintelligent; in fact, there is more reason to believe that because they developed well physically, their brains are also well developed.
most people, purely by definition, turn out to be pretty average achievers in academics later in life. and this set of "where are they now" stories shows many of them doing very well later on.
it is fashionable to mock the fascination with these eggheads into esoteric pursuits, but what success in the spelling bee probably requires far more than raw talent or cognitive intuition, is preternatural focus and dedication. combine that with the fact that these kids are probably of above average intelligence, and that is definitely a predictor of success if they can keep that level of intensity going in other things they care about.
maybe you missed the insinuation in #52 and the sarcastic counter-implication in #53...
this might be true in some sort of evolutionary sense, but being academically successful in a world with our level of intellectual advancement - built over several centuries - requires serious training.
Not amazed that so many desi kids participate in these sort of competitions, education is after all valued in our culture. We don't really have such competitions in my country, at least not to such an extent. It's part of the overall crab mentality here. Although that is changing as well, there are increasing amount of special schools and university programs, as well as scholarships, for the very gifted.
There is proof that physical exercise stimulates brain activity. Alzheimer's patients deteriorate less fast when they are taken for regular walks and such. It's good to be physically active as well as score high. Oh, and physical beauty just completes the triad. :)
So, to counter the blockbuster BEE ratings on ABC, CBS comes up with MMA. Ay Caramba!
My husband's explanation from 2002 runs along the same lines: "Indians have an edge over other spellers, because, at a very young age, they face a major challenge: learning to spell their own last names. Once you've spelled a name like Balasubramaniam, all words are easy."
Being the wet-blanket scientist in our family, I have to point out that as a diagnostic test, their thoughts have low sensitivities/positive predictive values. For starters, they miss out on all those kids with Polish and Nigerian surnames.
57 · Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious! said
I would agree with this. Doing well in spelling bee is not a necessary and sufficient condition for success in later life. But since most successful endeavours require 99% perspiration and focus, the dedication required while going through this competition can be translated to other areas. In fact shorn of other connotations/baggage, extensding the same logic some of the religious/culural activities ( like praying and others rituals ) can be claimed to inculcate this discipline too. Any debates amongst liberal and conservatives sepias reg. this ?
6 · pingpong said
I once read the hypothesis that desi kids learn English more by reading than by listening, so their spelling and grammar are subject to fewer errors than kids who pick up English primarily by listening. This includes grotesque errors like "I could of done that" instead of "I could have done that". I don't know how much truth the hypothesis has, however.
I'm an ABD, but my parents spoke mostly Hindi and Punjabi when I was a child. I picked up most of my English from the massive amounts of books I read to the point where I always had the right word at the right time but I never knew how to pronounce it.
Ha! I did exactly the same thing. My cousin still snickers about the time I tried to sound sophisticatedly adult and referred to my underwear as lingery.
As someone who can’t spell cat without spell-check,
Who are you Terry Bradshaw. I hope somebody here gets that.
63 · Cicatrix said
Birds and bees problem ?
I am a Steelers fan. I got the Hollywood Henderson reference Suki.
A sound Hindu upbringing bears fruit, again
50 · Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious! said
As it happens, I was a millionaire by the age of 30 and I have a sweet pimped out ride. Also, I sat at the cool kids' table in the cafeteria in high school. But even if I lived in a van down by the river, I would be better than any of these pathetic uber-geeks.
CS
PS: My girlfriend is smokin' hot.
Great video clip of Mr. Mishra.
Celeritas Subpontus, now that you've informed us of how fully you've compensated for the inadequacies in your pants and/or brain, please stick to the topic and try not to bolster your manhood by ridiculing children.
Thanks in advance!
Sepia Intern, dizzamn!
Please be posting pictures of you both in compromising position. How can we be believing that above-mentioned lady friend is not imaginary or inflatable?The Spelling Bee and the Geography Bee both reward rote learning and memorization. The indian educational system is almost entirely based on rote learning. The immigrant parents of these kids, who probably did really well in that backward educational system to get to america, passed on their culture to their american born kids. Then there is the inordinate pride in proficiency in english among the servile macaulayite desis.......
LOL--why are you so jealous of us? You really are quite silly--my parents' "backward" education paid off just fine here in the US.
72 · Valmiki said
...err, as opposed to the famously non-conformist chinese education (and political) system?
I'm very proud of all this! Here's a question that I have for you: Do you think that this raises interesting questions about languages and assimilability? These Indo-Americans, I'm sure, are bilingual, and they are also first-generation.
Isn't it amazing that in spite of this, our people roq!
Why are you sure about that? It's possible they are bilingual, but to these extremely practical-minded parents, anything not directly useful to their agendas for their children has a pretty low priority...and I'd guess retaining Indian mothertongues falls in that category.
Title of the topic is "W-I-N-N-E-R! Desi Kid Wins Spelling Bee, Again" so please use desi instead of indian in your comments.
Thanks.
11 · Abhi said
They were showing the bee at The Park at 14th in DC on friday night. I guess the club caters to geeks. :)
Amitabh,
My impression of you is that during your teens, you decided that you did not want to be strongly assimilated into the US culture. After you made that decision, you had a motivation to learn Punjabi, and it became easy for your parents to help you to learn Punjabi. But before you made that decision, your parents were afraid to push you to learn Punjabi---what if you had rebelled against them? What if you had been turned off Punjabi permanently?
PS:
How did you acquire competence in Punjabi? How are you retaining this competence? Whom do you speak to in Punjabi? What are the occasions when you write Punjabi? When you communicate in Punjabi, is your Punjabi criticized as being too formal? Too old-fashioned? Too provincial?
70 · Sepia Intern said
Celeritas Subpontus, now that you've informed us of how fully you've compensated for the inadequacies in your pants and/or brain, please stick to the topic and try not to bolster your manhood by ridiculing children.
Thanks in advance!
LOL....no problem. The whole thing was a joke, in any case, as the "Subpontus" thing indicated. I actually am one of the "pathetic ubergeeks" of whom I speak, and the exalted claims of my net worth and virility are grossly overstated.
CS
You can tell him or her that it's no worse than pronouncing it "lahn-zhe-ray", which is incorrect, too and yet heard all the time.
72 · Valmiki said
Ngugi, which language is your usual medium of communication?
Macaulay was an insufferable imperialist no doubt, but your self-righteousness and tendency to point to the well-known deficiencies of India (that most mutineers already know, criticize, and even try to ameliorate) is equally grating in its shrillness.
lingua fracas #82:
Hey, he/she/it wouldn't be Vyasa/Valmiki if it weren't shrill. I'm inclined to think that Vyasa is an AI programmed to troll sepia-- a brilliant but flawed, flawed because it is so predictable, creation of some bitter, laid-off, computer type.
No 72:Valmiki
I trust that you were being tongue-in-cheek! Proficiency in English is almost a required now. I am quite proud of the fact that I had great grades with rote learning ;-). I am trying to teach my ABD son how to memorize dates for history, essays for debate competitions, mathematical formulae...And it is amusing to see that the high school DOES really require you to memorize quite a bit if you want to succeed. It will be interesting to see how many of you people who have gone through the system can tell me that you NEVER ever had to memorize anything in high school. In which case, I may be doing something wrong? And if you are an ABD, please do not knock your parents in such a rude fashion. My son is learning Latin and French and is fluent in a dialect called Hebbar Iyengar Tamil that probably only a handful of people even know exists! My son though stinks in spelling ;-).
Rock on!
Good post.Indian are more concern about achieving difficult contest.
I disagree with Krouse or whatever that guy's name is. Bees are not a waste of time. Track each of previous bee winners and see where they are going. Bees spruce up your mind and keeps it sharp. These are achievers every way.
Better than being a "most likely to success" high school kid and wasting away all of your later years at a Super Cuts, Meineke or a mcDonalds.
Better than being a "most likely to success" high school kid and wasting away all of your later years at a Super Cuts, Meineke or a mcDonalds.
I bet you also look down on a desi motel owner.
Gandhi said be the change you wish to see in the world. If english speaking indians raging against the use of the english language stopped using the english language and stopped enrolling their children in english language schools the change they wish to see would happen.
# 90
If there was no English, I would be writing in Hebbar Bhashe and you would be left scratching your head! How in heavens name are we all to communicate? Is India to be broken further down into linguistic countries so that we can keep the purity of our mother-tongues. Why not learn MORE languages? What is the harm in that? As a mother of an ABD I see lots of highschoolers happily traipsing around learning so many languages like French, Spanish, Greek, Latin, Arabic... No different from me learning my language at home, learning Hindi while we lived in the North, learning Tamil when we moved to Madras and then learning Kannada when parents moved to Karnataka. The more the merrier is a better phrase than to just shut down borders and minds to new ideas and languages.
are these kids reinforcing the geeky stereotype? Not picking on them, but when would one see a desi ABD kid, solidly built/fit, no eyeglasses, intelligent yet not geeky, being shown on TV? I think these kids are no different from some indian kids in india whose parents raise them only for getting a rank in some obscure exam. how many of them go on to become anything famous later in their life because of this bee thing? I think kids should be balanced between academics an the rest of the time in some physical activity. healthy mind in a healthy body, you know. Desi parents typically ignore the games part, instead forcing the kids to train for these competitions, whether in india or US.
competition heavily loaded with over-achieving, heartbreaking desi kids
hmmm which we all either:
a) rebelled against by becoming artsy alterna desi's, using varying amounts of tequila/belle and sebastian/raging self pity to ease our guilt over familial disappointment, or
b) conforming and becoming super hyperprofessionals who still feel vaguely guilty at not having thrown it all away to go backpacking through france, using the same mixture as above to ease our guilt over living up the stereotype...
maybe the 'competition' in that sentence should read 'blog'...? ;p not wanting to call anyone out/label but when i read this post i immediately sensed the odd mixture of pride/embarrassment/annoyance/discomfort/more pride by association...i was so that nupur kid in spellbound! eep.