Someone like sunny leone asking you to vote makes the whole political process a joke....

They used sex to sell everything from shampoo to soap ... that you need a pornstar to get
people to vote is a mockery of the political process..

when you close the curtian and pull that lever, think of sunny

I was originally a bit intimidated by her "Scythian" skin-tone, but I read on Wikipedia that her father is from Tibet, so I can now at least get a well-deserved sleep without too much self-hatred.

I dunno about that wiki, Rob. This interview with her in Desi Life says she's a Punjabi Sikh and this other article says her original name is Karen Malhotra - neither of which sound Tibetan (but I could be wrong).

If you haven't seen it yet: (watch it!)

Craig Ferguson, "If you don't vote, you're a moron" (Youtube)

Followup to the above:

Craig Ferguson:"Do me the honor of being my fellow Americans and vote" (Youtube)

damn, that rocked my vote.

There's a lot of prostitution in the motherland, it's kind of a desi specialty. I live 5 minutes away from Heera Mandi in Lahore. A girl's gotta eat, right? Let her make that money on her own terms.

Thread tangent. @BasimKominas: TV Chimro's farking capital.

that you need a pornstar to get people to vote is a mockery of the political process..

That ship has sailed. I really dont know who this sort of thing is targeted at, not only that the transition from "I believe in personal freedom" to "so get out and vote" is a bit of a stretch

So here’s my personal request. Though it’s great Sunny is the first desi face in a voting PSA, I think there should be more. And since the boys have Sunny, how about we gals get some brown sugar like Sendhil Ramamurthy, Naveen Andrews or Kal Penn to make a voting PSA? That would definitely rock my vote.

it's especially heart-string-twanging when it comes from a person whose prior primary source of income was an industry highly vulnerable to the tyrannic community decency standards of a few owl-eyed districts in the bible belt.

If they get Priya Rai to do a commercial I'm voting and I'm not even American.

Now that's a way to get the Schwing Vote !

I've never really been that in to politics. But this ad moved me. I will vote now.

1 · bangalore serviced apartment said

They used sex to sell everything from shampoo to soap ... that you need a pornstar to get
people to vote is a mockery of the political process..

The "political process" and its expression in the mainstream media is a mockery of professional wrestling.

2 · Bangalore said

South asians shouldn't display the trash from their community in the showcase.

Yes, let's keep it in the sock drawer, shall we?

So here’s my personal request. Though it’s great Sunny is the first desi face in a voting PSA, I think there should be more. And since the boys have Sunny, how about we gals get some brown sugar like Sendhil Ramamurthy, Naveen Andrews or Kal Penn to make a voting PSA? That would definitely rock my vote. ;-)

Hear hear, Taz. ;)

I have a feeling some people will vote more than once.

Sunny's right. During these tumultuous times, we need to get a grip on ourselves. No matter for whom we are thinking of pulling that lever come November, its important to remember, as Americans, we are masters of our own domain. This is no time to drop the ball.

Ugh, the triad above (Sendhil Ramamurthy, Naveen Andrews or Kal Penn) would NEVER get me to vote. Sendhil never partakes in South Asian events (unless he gets top billing), NA refuses to ackowledge his Indian side, and KP? Enuf said. I'd pick Sunny's endorsement over these three stooges any day.

Isnt it amazing how fast pornstars have evolved? Pornstars used to look like toll both workers, but holy shit to hell Sunny Leone is hot.

18 · Manju said

... we need to get a grip on ourselves. No matter for whom we are thinking of pulling that lever...

Wasn't there a porn star in Italy who won a parliament seat in the 80s ? Sunny could have a future in politics.

Porn is a complicated thing (comments more lucid than the article), but it's sad that this kind of $hit that's an explicit ad for Vivid passes for mainstream - it's this kind of blurring that allows people like Sarah Palin to claim that she's a feminist.

John Cho, one half of the “Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle” team is featured in both ads, but you won’t find his at-least-as-equally-famous partner, Kal Penn, in either ad… I am glad there are such efforts out there to get Asian Americans to vote.

Honestly, doesn't it get tiresome to argue about cultural politics without any sense of agency or power? It lacks substance. In some places, there are enough South Asians to take over Asian American spaces; in most places they're relegated to minority status or invisible or form their own groups. Now replace the words South Asian and Asian American with Sri Lankan-American and South Asian American. Endless until you start thinking about the actual issues that are being argued about through these identity lenses - labor, power, community, mobility, etc. I'm sure you could do this in virtually every "community" with this style of primarily cultural politics. (yes, yes, i know, "you don't have to listen to Sree, etcetc")

She's not even a token South Asian, because I don't think she's been chosen for being South Asian as far as I can tell - she's been chosen for being a Vivid Girl. Maybe a token foreigner for "diversity's" sake. Who knows. If you wanted to reach South Asian voters or even acknowledge them in a token way, wouldn't you go with a seedy industry that exploited women like Bollywood rather than the porn industry? And if you want someone American, how about Kamala Harris? Jhumpa Lahiri? Or if you want someone American with mainstream star power, Parminder Nagra? Norah Jones? maybe they turned it down...who knows. Anyway, it seems like the salient fact about her isn't that she's South Asian here.

And since the boys have Sunny, how about we gals get some brown sugar like Sendhil Ramamurthy, Naveen Andrews or Kal Penn to make a voting PSA?

Gender parity good. But, How are you all going to fully escape your parents' beliefs and experiment with your identities properly if you keep being so heteronormative? You'll miss out on all the fun and become terribly boring people when you're middle aged. I like girls who like boys who like girls who like girls who like boys who like boys who like girls who like transgender people

she's bisexual.

23 · Dr Amonymous said

an explicit ad for Vivid

Agreed

23 · Dr Amonymous said

Anyway, it seems like the salient fact about her isn't that she's South Asian here.

Yeah, the salient factor is that she's hot and ethnicity probably adds something to that for better or worse, although she could pass for white so that throws a whole wrench into things.

Kal Penn? Seriously? I've had this conversation with my friends (teh lady ones) and they honestly have themselves convinced that he's such a hottie. To be frank, I don't think he'd get a second look walking down the street if he weren't famous. Love him as an actor, but seriously, hype's lame. I'd check Sunny walking down the street, regardless of who she is.

I like girls who like boys who like girls who like girls

Hey now! I did say that I liked her, for a porn star.... ;-)

Or if you want someone American with mainstream star power, Parminder Nagra? Norah Jones? maybe they turned it down...who knows.

Turned it down? I think that's more like never been approached... And that's my issue with mainstream voter mobilization efforts - they target the mainstream crowd - when research shows (The report on my campaign efforts is being released next week so I can't link to a URL just yet) that targeted ethnic groups in their own languages and cultures has a through the roof proven effect rate. We just need to get the people with money in the mainstream to throw it this way - so that we can have Norah Jones rocking the vote, for desis.

Hey! A quick google image search reveals Sunny as a Fake Porn Star. The critical threshold has yet to be crossed. She's maybe one notch above Sharon Stone at this point. If she's a pornstar Clarence Thomas is black, Rigoberta Menchu is oppressed, and Sarah Palin is a feminist. I'm outraged!

Regards,

Manju
PornStar Veterans for Truth

Where are the titties?

I am excited to see that Sunny Leone has a proper shrine bearing photos of her ancestors on the Christmas-lighted mantle in her boxing gym, although it could stand to be spruced up with some garlands of marigolds.

And the way she pumps her fist (forearm) when she says "firm believer"...hawt! I would have "exercised" my right to register if the camera had zoomed in on her licking her lips right before she says "do it now." Yeah.

Manju, she is not a fake pornstar and she has done it on film with both men and women. At least that's what I hear from my friends and I think on NPR. cough cough.

Stop trying to swift boat sunny leone.

shallowthinker, i did some research on google images. you *might* be right, but i don't discount doctored photos...there's hardly anything where sunny is with a dude.

I did see recently a Sunny Leone movie in which she has two scenes with a dude, and one includes a girl as part of a threesome.

...and yet you don't name the movie.

34 · razib said

...and yet you don't name the movie.

Ok silly boys. Sunny Loves Matt is the name of her first hetero movie, filmed with her then fiance Matt Erickson.

I didn't watch it.

It was in an article I stumbled across doing research for this post.

Honestly.

35 · Taz said

I didn't watch it.

It was in an article I stumbled across doing research for this post.

Oh yeah, sure, I look at The Eye for the articles, too. ;-)

29 · HitlerWasACommunityOrganizer said

Where are the titties?

Running from your comment.

27 · Taz said

Hey now! I did say that I liked her, for a porn star.... ;-)

Yeah but you didn't show that you realized that some girls might like her more than they do Kal Penn ;) Or just as much. Or only on Tuesdays. Sex is complicated :)

Or if you want someone American with mainstream star power, Parminder Nagra? Norah Jones? maybe they turned it down...who knows.

Turned it down? I think that's more like never been approached... And that's my issue with mainstream voter mobilization efforts - they target the mainstream crowd - when research shows (The report on my campaign efforts is being released next week so I can't link to a URL just yet) that targeted ethnic groups in their own languages and cultures has a through the roof proven effect rate. We just need to get the people with money in the mainstream to throw it this way - so that we can have Norah Jones rocking the vote, for desis.

Mainstream = "white"? Or Mainstream = "straight"? Or Mainstream = "middle class"? Usually ads are targeted, no, like this one at "the youth" as my chachas would say. Anyway, my ethnographic research (i.e. life) shows that first generation South Asians who emigrated in the 60s-80s, working class South Asians, etc. have better politics on many areas than most upper middle class ABDs and you should target them (language is a good way, but so are cultural norms...a bollywood-style video would be great...and not the singh is kingg horseshitt kind).

Probably because they actually dealt with segregation and wahtnot. There has to be some kind of politics behind the identity stuff or else it's not as useful (for this particular kind of activity). Quite frankly, I'm happy that my cousin is a non-voting Republican rather than a voting one, despite that he's South Asian. And I'm happy that my mom, in her most honest moments, is a sincere progressive in many ways :) Much more rootedly than I am, I'd say.

hey dr. anonymous, i was think, "this sounds like pass-the-roti-more-progressive-than-thou" talk, and yeah, you are associated. funny.

39 · razib said

hey dr. anonymous, i was think, "this sounds like pass-the-roti-more-progressive-than-thou" talk, and yeah, you are associated. funny.

Shocking. That's because I think I am :) The same way that Taz probably thinks she's more practical and effective than me or something :) That doesn't mean I don't think she's one of the good ones. On the other hand, it's good that you made this comment because I'm not interested in playing "who has more street cred" so I probably should have written my comment differently to be more explicit about differences in worldview. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, but I could have done a better job.

On the other hand, whatever you might say about me or this comment, I'm not going to let you diss the blog I write for without a defense. As you have said in the past, metacommentary is usually not well received by bloggers ;) but I do think the characterization is inapt regardless. I hope it is anyway. If there's some highhandedness and chaff there, there's also some really amazing substantive posts there about Sri Lankan politics, about Pakistan during Mushrraf's emergency, about violence in India, etc. So I'm quite proud of my affiliation with it and the characterization of "more progressive than thou" is not really a good description of what it's been about in its short life imnsho - at least in my experience of it.

Anyway, this is not the place for an extensive conversation about the merits and demerits of ptr, but feel free to drop me a line and I will, like a good Republican fascist, "correct" your attitude about ptr on e-mail.

Since you guys have appropriated 'saddi pind dee kudi' [our village belle] for your amreekan elections, p'aps I feel i can chime in on your elections - nyah.

…I am writing today to bring attention to the fact that to some (just some) Asian Americans, South Asians still don’t count as Asian Americans…How else to

I have not and we will not question Sunny Leone's service in Porm.

40 · Dr Amonymous said

Anyway, this is not the place for an extensive conversation about the merits and demerits of ptr

Yes please, let's not derail this thread! (Just trying to be PRACTICAL and EFFECTIVE here :-P ).

I never knew about Sunny...can't say I think much of her career choice. IMO I find it difficult to believe someone can do porn and be happy about it, though she certainly does look peppy in her psa.

As far as APIvote psas - I think that's too bad that they don't have South Asian faces. We have so many high profile actors, writers, models - unless they all turned the API voters down, they really should be using them. If API vote wants to represent and mobilize all Asians, than they should be aware that they are forgetting a large segment of their popualtion.

I talked to one of my friends who helps organize APIvote activities and sent her the SAJA article...she said she'd bring it up to someone who works on the psas; it's funny but she agreed wholeheartedly with me, but she didn't really notice. It's not about throwing in a token South asian, it's reaching out to a large population that APIvote represents.

has anyone seen "sunny side up"?

why'd she change her name from reema bhatt?

" I'm not going to let you diss the blog I write for without a defense. "

i wasn't dissing d00d. you guys just all have that same style. not like i'm one to talk.

sunny leone's career is proof that you can 80 million glass sealings in the crack. take that, palin!

5 · taz said

I dunno about that wiki, Rob. This interview with her in Desi Life says she's a Punjabi Sikh and this other article says her original name is Karen Malhotra

jindal is another punjabi who changed his name and has gotten ahead in his line of work.

if you thought this ad was hot, you should really see her box.

Taz sez

I dunno about that wiki, Rob. This interview with her in Desi Life says she's a Punjabi Sikh

Oh. Thank you for the link to Sunny's web site Tazminderji

51 · khoofia said

Her pic on her site doesnt have any evidence of a kaccha,... or kesh for that matter.

or kirpan, apparently.

Congrats, Sepia Mutiny for reaching a new low in silliness.

i've heard her wife swapping film, "sunny and share", is quite interseting, though viewers have reported a sudden loss of interest just as the plot peaks.

what is the difference between sunny and shyla?

53 · Desiriksha said

Congrats, Sepia Mutiny for reaching a new low in silliness.

You make it sound like "low" and "silly" are bad things. :-p

mccain famously dated a stripper (as well as a brazilian model). he doesn't get enough credit for this so i thought i'd mention it. dems have wisely avoided making political hay out of this (unlike their self-defeating bristol pregnancy hysteria) perhaps realizing if the general public catches wind of this, it could be worth 2% points for him.

>>Did Sunny get you excited…to vote?

If there's a vote...

Folks on Wall Street are putting a 15-20% chance on the possibility that elections will be called off and Bush/Cheney will continue to remain in office. The reasons given will be "extreme circumstances" caused by two or three black swan events in quick succession. One event happened last week when the yield on the treasuries dropped to almost nothing, and the value money market funds fell below par.

For. The. Very. First. Time.

I know this is as close as it comes to rumour mongering, but anything can happen. Three weeks ago, if I were to tell you that no invesment banks would be left standing, the US government would end up owning half the houses in the country, and would be providing life-insurance to quarter of the population - you would have thought that I forgot to take my medication. Three weeks later, all that and more has happened.

Remember - you heard it here first...

M. Nam

57 · Manju said

he doesn't get enough credit for this

what credit should i get for this?

hmmm? with recent rumblings of al qaeda planning an october surprise, moornam's scenario is not unthinkable. is there any constitutional provisions for cancelling elections? Imagine if Obama's way ahead in he polls and that happens? o boy. that'll be fun.

(I'm sorry in advance for enjoying all sorts of stuff I'm not supposed to enjoy)

Folks on Wall Street are putting a 15-20% chance on the possibility that elections will be called off and Bush/Cheney will continue to remain in office.

Well, if they managed to hold elections in 1864 and 1932, somehow I'm guessing they'll follow the Constitution and hold them in 2008.

Congrats, Sepia Mutiny for reaching a new low in silliness.

After years of plucking oysters from the briny, and prising open their frilly black lips, Santana Aripe's fingers have been roughened to the point where shaking his hand is a bit like getting tactile with a Brillo pad.

59 · john mccain said

what credit should i get for this?

if prez, you'll ensure good times are here again, a la clinton. we don't need another hyper religious goody-2-shoes in office, like your opponent.

Rob: >>Well, if they managed to hold elections in 1864 and 1932, somehow I'm guessing they'll follow the Constitution and hold them in 2008.

There was a civil war in 1864, and 1932 was three years after the big crash. This time, there's war and there's the crash - at the same time. And of course, there are many other known unknowns...

Neo-cons are more powerful than most people realise.

Just in case you're right, and elections are held - please don't vote for any incumbent (that includes McCain and Obama). Vote out all of them - bring fresh blood in.

M. Nam

Folks on Wall Street are putting a 15-20% chance on the possibility that elections will be called off and Bush/Cheney will continue to remain in office.

this is one of the dumbest things i've seen asserted seriously on this weblog.

and if moornam is right, folks are wall street should be strung up for being even more idiotic than they've shown themselves to be over the past few years.

Hmmm, a porn actress who does not look at all desi represents desi-americans???

No american would guess that this ho was an ethnic indian.

No american would guess that this ho was an ethnic indian.

your language is uncalled for sir!!!

67 · interesting_times said

Hmmm, a porn actress who does not look at all desi represents desi-americans???

i once heard someone, lawrence otis graham i think, say that if someone doesn't look black at first, just put them next to a black person and then you can see the simialrities.

So this may help you.

58 · MoorNam said

Folks on Wall Street are putting a 15-20% chance on the possibility that elections will be called off

i think moornam also still believes in those inflated cdo valuations too.

Lets put it this way folks: free-market capitalism screwed up big time again and socialism has come to the rescue again. When will these wacko libertarians learn?

I am surprised no blogger has yet written about the most important event unfolding in America today.

71 · interesting_times said

free-market capitalism screwed up big time again and socialism has come to the rescue again.

it's not socialism. only the fat cats are likely to win on this one. so it is privatize gain, socialize losses. something that republicans love, and what they basically mean when they eulogize the power of the market.

58 · MoorNam said

Folks on Wall Street are putting a 15-20% chance on the possibility that elections will be called off and Bush/Cheney will continue to remain in office.

Forgive me for not putting my stock in the predictions of "folks on Wall Street," but the Cheney/Bush administration does seem to be making moves toward martial law, again(though it was mercenaries that time).

[T]hisnew mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities....They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control...

69 · Manju said

i once heard someone, lawrence otis graham i think, say that if someone doesn't look black at first, just put them next to a black person and then you can see the simialrities.

looks like a republican in this one.

71 · interesting_times said

Lets put it this way folks: free-market capitalism screwed up big time again and socialism has come to the rescue again. When will these wacko libertarians learn?

I am surprised no blogger has yet written about the most important event unfolding in America today.

YES! Even among these insipid and uninspiring remarks, there is a pearl of wisdom a shining diamond of an observation in a sea of filth. I stand and applaud you for your understanding and empathy for THOSE /*insert sneer */ lLlibertarians

71 · interesting_times said

Lets put it this way folks: free-market capitalism screwed up big time again and socialism has come to the rescue again. When will these wacko libertarians learn?

haven't you been telling us america's greatness lies in her mixed economy this whole time. now that she screws up, she gets transformed into free-market capitalism? Just like in your world, if a desi chick is hot, she ceases to look desi.

71 · interesting_times said

free-market capitalism screwed up big time again and socialism has come to the rescue again. When will these wacko libertarians learn?

fire chris cox!

so it is privatize gain, socialize losses. something that republicans love, and what they basically mean when they eulogize the power of the market.

John Mccain, you're such an innocent little puppy. don't you see your getting played? dems believe this too. notice the bipartisanship. is an unholy alliance between unprincipled libertine libertarians like myself and limosine liberals like ruben and clinton. and frankly, our system, current blips notwithstanding, remains the envy of the world, thank you very much.

78 · Manju said

frankly, our system, current blips notwithstanding, remains the envy of the world, thank you very much.

Yoo-Ess-ay! Yoo-Ess-ay!

79 · john mccain said

Yoo-Ess-ay! Yoo-Ess-ay!

Go back to India.

dodd sees paulson and raises him.
and disagreement with paulson's bailout seems to be the consensus.

The major players in the financial sector do not like it. It is much more appealing for the financial industry to be bailed out at taxpayers’ expense than to bear their share of pain. Forcing a debt-for-equity swap or a debt forgiveness would be no greater a violation of private property rights than a massive bailout, but it faces much stronger political opposition. The appeal of the Paulson solution is that it taxes the many and benefits the few. Since the many (we, the taxpayers) are dispersed, we cannot put up a good fight in Capitol Hill; while the financial industry is well represented at all the levels. It is enough to say that for 6 of the last 13 years, the Secretary of Treasury was a Goldman Sachs alumnus.

i mumble some more about accountability, golden parachutes, regulation blah blah blah. steve told me to. country first.

75 · RahulD said

I am surprised no blogger has yet written about the most important event unfolding in America today.

Not much a desi angle there (i bankers?). How about the bombing in Pakistan or the general strike in India?

49 = best comment

It is enough to say that for 6 of the last 13 years, the Secretary of Treasury was a Goldman Sachs alumnus.

How does he turn his alumnus status on and off? Super-power?

81 · john mccain said

dodd sees paulson and raises him.
and disagreement with paulson's bailout seems to be the consensus.

Yes, but notice the parameters of the debate...between 2 separate bailouts.

85 · Manju said

...between 2 separate bailouts.

dodd:

Equity Stake

The legislation requires Treasury to take an equity stake equal to the purchase price of the assets being bought. If the company isn't publicly traded, the government would take senior debt instead, placing it in the front of the line of debt holders for repayment in the event of a bankruptcy.

Penalize Executives

Dodd is proposing to penalize executives who take ``inappropriate or excessive'' risks. The executive compensation and severance packages could be reduced if that is ``in the public interest,'' the proposal says. It would also force executives to give back profits they earned that were based on company accounting measures that are later found to be inaccurate.

paulson/bush:

take off bad debt, taxpayers get nothing in return, give out taxpayer money no strings attached.

john merriweather often said that the key to winning is holding onto the bet long enough. When his fund, LTCM, was bailed out, his portfolio, which was valued at nothing at one point, turned out to be extremely valuable. warren buffet famously wanted to acquire it but a previous engagement to party with bill gates in alaska (i think) prevented him from negotiating in person.

but merriweatrhers bets/financial models were right in the long run, he just didn't have the money to hold onto them. my guess is the current models aren't that wrong this time either, just that the bets were too huge to survive the black swan. these loans are secured, my guess is the government will be getting a portfolio on the cheap and recoup their losses with a tidy poifit in the long run, once housing prices recover.

78 · Manju said

our system, current blips notwithstanding

president, the word is adjustment.

86 · john mccain said

take off bad debt, taxpayers get nothing in return, give out taxpayer money no strings attached.

thats not an accurate description. there'd be repercussions and regulations. notice what happened to bear and aig or even LTCM during their bailouts. be that as it may, notice the bipartisanship. we're talking about 2 ends of the tory party here. there are important distinctions to be sure, but a lot more similarities. either way, there is going to be a bailout.

89 · Manju said

notice the bipartisanship.

as krugman points out in the link you have, there is a difference in the details. there isn't much choice on a bailout thanks to the profligacy of the deregulated market. "comissar paulson has seized control of the means of production"

recoup their losses with a tidy poifit in the long run

as keynes said....

90 · john mccain said

as krugman points out in the link you have, there is a difference in the details. there isn't much choice on a bailout thanks to the profligacy of the deregulated market. "comissar paulson has seized control of the means of production"

well then, what is our disagreement? you yourself point out the consensus is the paulson plan is dead. the deregulation you allude to was also bipartisan. in fact, in one important instance, dems provided the most resistance to overseeing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, who provided the bulk of liquidity for these mortgage backed securities despite warnings by alan greenspan, john mccain and the wsj.

good for dodd and his counterpropsal. repubs going along with this is quite predictable.

wow, leave it to desis to take a porn post and turn it into an economic policy discussion. i haven't been this ashamed since i traded my aishwarya rai poster for and arundhati roy novel.

92 · Manju said

wow, leave it to desis to take a porn post and turn it into an economic policy discussion.

As I was catching up with comments, I thought the same thing. Can't you people stay on topic, ever? Especially when the topic involves PORN??

In the history of the internet nothing as come close to the level of dweebness that this post has taken.

92 · Manju said

wow, leave it to desis to take a porn post and turn it into an economic policy discussion.

well, first the govt, then we, blow our wad, i see. i guess every post needs its money shot.

82 · Harbeer said

75 · RahulD said

I am surprised no blogger has yet written about the most important event unfolding in America today.

Not much a desi angle there (i bankers?). How about the bombing in Pakistan or the general
strike in India?

I didnt say that...Besides I'm not liberal enough to consider Pakistan and India as the same...I wouldn't complain about bloggers on their own blog not writing something that I want to read...and never would call myself a "Desi" because Hindi isn't my language.

So yea...I didn't make that statement./

Good Gawd...The quote thing is baffling...

42 · Taz said

40 · Dr Amonymous said

Anyway, this is not the place for an extensive conversation about the merits and demerits of ptr

Yes please, let's not derail this thread! (Just trying to be PRACTICAL and EFFECTIVE here :-P ).

I call misquote!!!! should have read "PRACTICAL and EFFECTIVE OR SOMETHING"

:P

can we talk now that the discussion's turned to the bailout? Or shall we go with talking about the effects of the bailout on porn? :) Or just how pornographic the American political system really is? :)

Vote Nader!

She's muy caliente. By the way, in terms of the economic discussion, Democrats botched this whole thing up from the beginning. Giving loans to minorities who couldn't pay them up? Give me a break. Oh yea, it doesn't make sense why they don't get rid of the mark to mark rule (FAS 157..for all you accounting fans out there).

Did Sunny get you excited…to vote?

Yes Yes Yes